Okafor

[BIGCatBobcat]

Watching ESPN tonight, Dallas vs New Orleans, I am freaking out. Okafor isn't really off the team, he's just injured right? He's playing in OT, blocking shots and making an effect in this game. What is going on here? He had 24 points in the game before this. Tell me I didn't get talked into Tyson Chandler and I'm wrong, please say it.

[davcbow]

He is playing with a different team. A PG that don't throw TO's that much, a team that don't ave. 21 TO's game.... What I'm saying is he wouldn't be doing any better on this team than TC is....:cool:

[Marvel]

He is playing with a different team. A PG that don't throw TO's that much, a team that don't ave. 21 TO's game.... What I'm saying is he would be doing much much better on this team than TC is....:cool:


Fixed it.......

[davcbow]

Fixed it.......

He might be doing a little better than TC on this team right now but I think give TC a chance to get rid of the cob webs and the guys learn how to use his talents, he will be more the type C we want. At times Mek didn't give it his all on our team, but now in NO he seems to be playing hard like he has something to lose...... :cool:

[GoBobs]

I thought at the time the trade was done we should have gotten a bit more. That still depends on Tysons health. But I am not that unhappy about losing oak even though he is better on offense. On defense he is undersized and can't hold his own with big centers. He refuses to come out to defend more than 3 feet from the basket because he knows he will get his ankles broken. That is a big problem if your scheme relies on switching pick and rolls and moving guys around a lot to help. I will start crying over losing oak the day he starts beasting on Dwight Howard.

[BeebCats]

He might be doing a little better than TC on this team right now but I think give TC a chance to get rid of the cob webs and the guys learn how to use his talents, he will be more the type C we want. At times Mek didn't give it his all on our team, but now in NO he seems to be playing hard like he has something to lose...... :cool:

Agreed. We have to give TC longer to get adjusted. Not only is he rusty for playing minimally in 5 months and coming back from surgery, but he's in a whole different system. Okafor would be better right now because at the very least, he would know where to be and the tendencies of our PGs. Tyson is coming in, not knowing where the PGs put the ball, not knowing sets, not knowing where to be.

A sample size of 4 games, especially considering the conditions, is not enough to judge TC. Let's all give him some more time to get in his groove and adjust to the offense before we all put him under the bus.

Also, agreed 100% with your second statement dav. Okafor definitely did not give his all, night-in night-out here, while in NO, he seems to be. That's one thing I love about Tyson already -- he always seems involved in the game, he's got that passion. Heck, I remember reading a quote from Okafor referring to the NBA season as "the daily grind" (not a direct quote, but something very similar), as if he hated playing basketball.

[KT#20]

Let's see, Chandler has a PER of 3.65 right now, while Okafor was at 18.01 last season. Yeah, I'm certain that he'd be doing MUCH better than Chandler.

[dunnlx]

he is playing with a different team. A pg that don't throw to's that much, a team that don't ave. 21 to's game.... What i'm saying is he wouldn't be doing any better on this team than tc is....:cool:
man pls tyson chandler sucks!

[Scottley Crue]

And with the awesome numbers Okafor is putting up, the Hornets have won the exact same number of games as the Bobcats.

It's not a competition between Okafor and Chandler or the Bobcats and Hornets. It's about what the Bobcats can do against their competition.

[KT#20]

And with the awesome numbers Okafor is putting up, the Hornets have won the exact same number of games as the Bobcats.

Atlanta has a better record than Cleveland, so clearly Joe Johnson is better than LeBron James. Or better yet, he makes the Hawks a better team than LeBron makes the Cavs. Isn't that what was said about Chandler? That is, he would make the Bobcats a better team? The truth is, the Bobcats have won in spite of Chandler, not because of him.

[fatlever]

okafor isnt doing any new in new orleans. he seems to be the same player he was here. he's putting up similar numbers, having similar impact during the games. his positives and negatives seem to be the same. he made a few key blocks in that game last night and had a nice fadeaway and a nice assist in traffic. but he also allowed dampier to have 16/14. okafor got caught trying to cheat several times leaving damp all alone under the boards. eric snow also mentioned on nbatv last night that the hornets were struggling a little on offense in part to okafor not being a threat on the p&r. defenders were not cheating off the shooters to help on the p&r this year and therefore the shooters were not getting as many open looks. of course, paul will make adjustments because he is the best in the league. no worries there.

we shouldnt be surprised by anything okafor does at this point. we've seen him for 5 years, we know his strengths and weaknesses. he's not going to magically transform into a new player in new orleans. he may play harder for a few games as the emotions of playing for a new team are still fresh, but thats normal for many players after a trade.

at the end of the year, okafor will average between 13-15ppg and 10-12rpg and 1.5-2.5bpg. and the overall success of the hornets will still depend largely on chris paul and how well their bench can play. i expect okafor to be solid, but not someone who will change that team dramatically for the better or worse.

but of course, if chandler continues to struggle on offense... yeah, its gonna be ugly.

and while our defense and rebounding has been fantastic through 4 games but i think its too early to attribute any of that to chandler. but it would awesome if that was the case. fingers crossed.

[spectre]

okafor isnt doing any new in new orleans. he seems to be the same player he was here. he's putting up similar numbers, having similar impact during the games. his positives and negatives seem to be the same. he made a few key blocks in that game last night and had a nice fadeaway and a nice assist in traffic. but he also allowed dampier to have 16/14. okafor got caught trying to cheat several times leaving damp all alone under the boards. eric snow also mentioned on nbatv last night that the hornets were struggling a little on offense in part to okafor not being a threat on the p&r. defenders were not cheating off the shooters to help on the p&r this year and therefore the shooters were not getting as many open looks. of course, paul will make adjustments because he is the best in the league. no worries there.

we shouldnt be surprised by anything okafor does at this point. we've seen him for 5 years, we know his strengths and weaknesses. he's not going to magically transform into a new player in new orleans. he may play harder for a few games as the emotions of playing for a new team are still fresh, but thats normal for many players after a trade.

at the end of the year, okafor will average between 13-15ppg and 10-12rpg and 1.5-2.5bpg. and the overall success of the hornets will still depend largely on chris paul and how well their bench can play. i expect okafor to be solid, but not someone who will change that team dramatically for the better or worse.

but of course, if chandler continues to struggle on offense... yeah, its gonna be ugly.

and while our defense and rebounding has been fantastic through 4 games but i think its too early to attribute any of that to chandler. but it would awesome if that was the case. fingers crossed.

Toodles. :biggrin:

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Look, Okafor is the better player, no one can argue that.

BUT

Chandler is a better fit for this team in both playing style and salary wise. This team is better with a healthy Chandler.

I agree with the trade, but we should HAVE AT LEAST got one or two 2nd rounders as well.

[davcbow]

Our team as it is will be fine as long as we hit our shots....:cool:

[KT#20]

Yes, Chandler is the better fit for a team that doesn't run, has trouble scoring, and turns it over a ton.

[davcbow]

Yes, Chandler is the better fit for a team that doesn't run, has trouble scoring, and turns it over a ton.

Come on dude dont be such a boo bird give it a damn chance...:cool:

[Scottley Crue]

Atlanta has a better record than Cleveland, so clearly Joe Johnson is better than LeBron James. Or better yet, he makes the Hawks a better team than LeBron makes the Cavs. Isn't that what was said about Chandler? That is, he would make the Bobcats a better team? The truth is, the Bobcats have won in spite of Chandler, not because of him.
That wasn't quite where I was going with that. I'm just saying that some of the sentiment would make you believe Okafor has led the Hornets to an undefeated record while Chanlder has made the Bobcats have less than zero wins. Fact is, both teams have two wins, which is the most important stat.

It boils down to this. Okafor isn't here anymore. It doesn't matter if he averages 500 points a game, he's not here. He won't be here. What's done is done. Unless he's playing the Bobcats or playing someone the Bobcats need to lose, what he does truly doesn't affect the Bobcats.

[BIGCatBobcat]

I was more nostalgic about hearing "Okafor with the block" on national TV than saying I thought he was better than Chandler.

I am thinking in equations lately: hornets - chandler + okafor > bobcats - okafor + chandler but i think that if you take out the constants or whatever you get hornets > bobcats. We knew what we were with Mek and he reached his ceiling. He's a good player but he wasn't the guy here and wouldn't. The comparison is natural however useless.

The hornets have 2 all-stars and a great supporting cast that Okafor is now a big part of. The Bobcats have a team full of solid players, it's just the facts. Whoever said wins are equal, right on, that's all that matters.

[davcbow]

That wasn't quite where I was going with that. I'm just saying that some of the sentiment would make you believe Okafor has led the Hornets to an undefeated record while Chanlder has made the Bobcats have less than zero wins. Fact is, both teams have two wins, which is the most important stat.

It boils down to this. Okafor isn't here anymore. It doesn't matter if he averages 500 points a game, he's not here. He won't be here. What's done is done. Unless he's playing the Bobcats or playing someone the Bobcats need to lose, what he does truly doesn't affect the Bobcats.

I agree some act like since Mek left we will never win a game. Last year at this time we were 1-3 this year 2-2.... Mek is a good player not a great player, TC is a good player not a great player which makes them about the same. I just wish people would quit bitching about it and just go with who are players on the Bobcats. Mek is no longer a Bobcats and all the crying isnt going to make him a Bobcat... :cool:

[teej]

Moved. Okafor is not on this team, and will not be. This doesn't belong in Bobcats Talk.

And KT#20, did your momma never tell you that if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all? We certainly encourage healthy discussion, but if you're just going to sit here and sing Mek's praises and bash TC, there's a Hornets forum for that.

[KT#20]

And KT#20, did your momma never tell you that if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all? We certainly encourage healthy discussion, but if you're just going to sit here and sing Mek's praises and bash TC, there's a Hornets forum for that.

What did I say that was unhealthy or not nice? Did I make a personal attack against anyone? No. Someone said TC is a better fit for this team, and I disputed it. That's all.

As for the "Okafor's not on our team, so it's not pertinent" bullshit, that couldn't be more wrong. Many people claimed Tyson would be a better fit for out team, make our team better, and put up the same numbers as Okafor so, rightfully, as the season progresses we're going to see if there's any truth to that.

As for singing Mek's praises, what have I said that isn't true regarding him? Absolutely nothing. Then again, I'm talking to someone who's barely followed the team for two seasons. Likewise, when have I unjustifiable bashed TC?

I will sit back and enjoy watching Okafor go to work in NOLA, just like he did here, while Chandler keeps doing whatever the hell he's doing up.

At the end of the year, we'll see how easy it really was to average 14/11/2.

[SWedd523]

I thought playing next to an All World PG like Chris Paul was going to turn Mek into this monster of a player averaging near 20/10?

[teej]

What did I say that was unhealthy or not nice? Did I make a personal attack against anyone?

Then again, I'm talking to someone who's barely followed the team for two seasons.

Hmm...maybe in your last post? Among others.


As for the "Okafor's not on our team, so it's not pertinent" bullshit, that couldn't be more wrong.

I was referring to moving the topic to the "Aroung the NBA" section, as he is no longer a Bobcat, thus it doesn't belong in "Bobcats Talk." Just like the AI threads were moved here. Only Bobcat related news or thoughts belongs there, and this wasn't Bobcat related. Does that make sense?

[KT#20]

Hmm...maybe in your last post?


Is what I wrote not true? Regardless, that's a terrible example considering I wrote it after the fact you said, "Didn't your momma teach you any manners ...," not before.


Among others.I've only made 50 or so posts on this site, so feel free to point them out ... it should be easy. Don't worry, I'll wait.


I was referring to moving the topic to the "Aroung the NBA" section, as he is no longer a Bobcat, thus it doesn't belong in "Bobcats Talk." Just like the AI threads were moved here. Only Bobcat related news or thoughts belongs there, and this wasn't Bobcat related. Does that make sense?

What I wrote there had absolutely NOTHING to do with you moving the thread.