Team playing terrible?

[BobCatsFanInTx]

I think it funny how people are saying the team is playing terrible when they are playing 500 ball. They started out in a rough way but they are just now beginning to get a feel for one another. They beat a pretty good Atlanta team. Yes the Hawks were at the end of a busy road trip but none the less in that game the Bobcats looked like the team we saw late last year. Now this is what is funny. The Bobcats lose to the Bulls and they are back to playing terrible. What happened to the optimism that was the Bobcats after they beat Atlanta?

The Bobcats did score at least 90 points in regulation against the Bulls so it is not like the game was a choke job. The Bobcats were facing a pretty good Bulls team on a back to back.

By saying the Bobcats are playing terrible it takes away any credit that should go to their opponents. The Bulls were a pretty good team last year and they may be better this year.

I would not say the Bobcats are playing great or even good as of now but they are improving and they are not playing terrible. If they were playing terrible they would have been blown out of EVERY game they have played this season. The team has a few new players and the chemistry has to build. I think in a relatively short time the Bobcats will be a pretty good basketball team. Let us not jump the gun and say they are playing terrible with every loss the team suffers. All teams have nights where they struggle and play terrible. The first few games for the Cats were bound to be what they were. Time will give these players a comfort level and closeness. At least hopefully. Talent wise I think the team is fine they just need somebody to score regularly. I kind of thought Bell could do that but it is hard to say.

Considering that the cats don't have a go to scorer they still will win a fair amount of games. As long as they play smart, fundamental basketball and grow as team they will be flying high in no time. At least I hope so. Still let us not get too down on the team as of now. It is way too early. How many teams do you see start a little slow and then turn things on to make the playoffs? The first ten games are nothing to get to worked up over one way or the other. Give the team time to jell and if they suck we can give them a poor grade.

[BETCATS]

Terrible is too harsh a word to describe how we are playing. I have only seen the word 'terrible' thrown around by people who know NOTHING about this team. Sloppy is a fair assement. We have commited way too many turnovers and made way too many small mistakes to consider ourselves as 'playing good'.

We dont suck, i dont think anyone on here as said we do. Basketball is a game filled with mistakes, and the Bobcats are a basketball team. Most of the mistakes are correctable, and if we just commit less turnovers and cut down on the boneheaded decisions we will get to level we need to be playing at.

[davcbow]

I think it funny how people are saying the team is playing terrible when they are playing 500 ball. They started out in a rough way but they are just now beginning to get a feel for one another. They beat a pretty good Atlanta team. Yes the Hawks were at the end of a busy road trip but none the less in that game the Bobcats looked like the team we saw late last year. Now this is what is funny. The Bobcats lose to the Bulls and they are back to playing terrible. What happened to the optimism that was the Bobcats after they beat Atlanta?

The Bobcats did score at least 90 points in regulation against the Bulls so it is not like the game was a choke job. The Bobcats were facing a pretty good Bulls team on a back to back.

By saying the Bobcats are playing terrible it takes away any credit that should go to their opponents. The Bulls were a pretty good team last year and they may be better this year.

I would not say the Bobcats are playing great or even good as of now but they are improving and they are not playing terrible. If they were playing terrible they would have been blown out of EVERY game they have played this season. The team has a few new players and the chemistry has to build. I think in a relatively short time the Bobcats will be a pretty good basketball team. Let us not jump the gun and say they are playing terrible with every loss the team suffers. All teams have nights where they struggle and play terrible. The first few games for the Cats were bound to be what they were. Time will give these players a comfort level and closeness. At least hopefully. Talent wise I think the team is fine they just need somebody to score regularly. I kind of thought Bell could do that but it is hard to say.

Considering that the cats don't have a go to scorer they still will win a fair amount of games. As long as they play smart, fundamental basketball and grow as team they will be flying high in no time. At least I hope so. Still let us not get too down on the team as of now. It is way too early. How many teams do you see start a little slow and then turn things on to make the playoffs? The first ten games are nothing to get to worked up over one way or the other. Give the team time to jell and if they suck we can give them a poor grade.

Very good post tex and optimistic too. Im not down on the team at all and yes I agree that we will get better as the guys gel, I was upset with Ray just standing there bouncing the ball, weather it was waiting on a box out or waiting for a shooter to get open, but he just stood there and then would take a desperation shot and miss. Like I said, good post.... Well done...:)

[ohara831]

I dont think we are playing terrible. I think we are just not a very good team. WE have 1 player who could start on most NBA teams - Crash. Everyone else is of backup quality. We are simply poorly constructed, and we have done a pathetic job in the Drafts.

[dav7z]

I dont think we are playing terrible. I think we are just not a very good team. WE have 1 player who could start on most NBA teams - Crash. Everyone else is of backup quality. We are simply poorly constructed, and we have done a pathetic job in the Drafts.

I for one thinks this team of back up quility . Poorly constructed players will make the playoffs. We playing 500 ball, guys this early with Larry Brown . Look at Browns records . His teams all ways start slow . All the different plays and sets he requires you to learn takes time. Damn we lost to very good teams. Boston , Clevland, Bulls on the road
We even beat a play off team in Atlanta just six games in . Im pleased to have this group now. Ill stick with this bunch of misfits, back ups . What ever ? To the play offs this year.

For the record im stating our one starting player takes us to a sixth seed and a playoff spot this year.

[Toocool]

I agree with OP. We aren't playing bad, we're actually starting to play some good decent basketball. We just need to get this on a consistent basis and the sky is our limit...and the scoreboard.

[Chef]

actually raymond, no pf and no sg are the limit for this team. either that or the sky really needs to fall some.

[Felton for Prez]

Agreed with all that terrible is too strong. The thing that drives me crazy (and I'm sure all of you) is the long stretches, usually in the 1st or 3rd qtr, where we all of sudden forget how to play the game. I thought that by this point in the LB era, those long stretches would be less frequent, shorter in duration and much lower on the "painful to watch" scale. 4 of our 5 games had EXTREMELY painful sections to watch and that is what sticks in our head, win or lose. So a 10min meltdown (~20% of the game) causes us to say the team played terribly.

I think we all are trying to buy into LB and the "play the right way" stuff and expect the to team to actually play the right way. Its a little funny that we've bought into the LB hype so much either due to his experience and track record or because we are all so desperate for something to give us some hope (hence the rallying cry of ILBIT). Its also kind of a shame that we don't have a player to really inspire that hope and that we are relying on a guy who can't take the clutch shot or grab a key rebound.

[BRNC]

There is no real problem with LBs "play the right way" mantra...the problem I have is (and always have had) with LB is his player rotations...someone on the thread (this one or another we have going) poihnted out LB pulling Flip when he was "hot" against the Bulls and letting him sit for so long...I had a problem with him leaving Vlad in after his third foul (only to pick up a fourth) in the first half...guys become really ineffective after getting a fourth in the first half...Ray (IMO) is most effective when his minutes are between 25-30...Bell, DJ, Flip, and Hendo need those other minutes...work still needs to be done on boxing out "energy" type bigs like Noah which really hurt us...but terrible...no

[dunnlx]

I for one thinks this team of back up quility . Poorly constructed players will make the playoffs. We playing 500 ball, guys this early with Larry Brown . Look at Browns records . His teams all ways start slow . All the different plays and sets he requires you to learn takes time. Damn we lost to very good teams. Boston , Clevland, Bulls on the road
We even beat a play off team in Atlanta just six games in . Im pleased to have this group now. Ill stick with this bunch of misfits, back ups . What ever ? To the play offs this year.

For the record im stating our one starting player takes us to a sixth seed and a playoff spot this year.
This team isn't going anywhere without a bonifide power forward!!!!!!!

[teej]

This team isn't going anywhere without a bonifide power forward!!!!!!!

Which is how the Magic made the Finals last year...sure.

[Chef]

the magic made the finals last year with the best center in league (which don't even have a top 15 center), a top 7 (albeit injured point guard), incredibly good 3 point shooting and a lineup that ran 10 deep and caused match up problems at virtually all positions. we have none of these.

[dav7z]

This team isn't going anywhere without a bonifide power forward!!!!!!!

Welcome to Bobcatsplanet, Agreeded we could use a power foward . But with L Browns coaching and the players getting use to each other now . Our record should get much better. You right if we talking about contending for any kind of champion ship . We don't have the personal , But we have added two nice rookies and a scorer in Murrey . We should contend for a playoff spot.

[docend24]

i think this thread is overreacting. We are undefeated at home, lost agaist (former?) powerhouses of the East and one back-to-back game. We are still .500. That could be enough to secure a play off spot. Ptential loss to Orlando is a non.issue although we have a better cahnce with all the players they're missing. We should make up by defeating Detroit the next game.

[BigMike]

I would like to point out that we are currently the 8th seed in the East. So 8 teams are more terrible then us ;) the 'Cats are off to their best start ever and we are playing quality defense. Thats enough for me.

Cya at the game tonight ;)

[Chef]

agreed, we aren't terrible. but 2 of our 3 wins are against 2 teams with a combined 1 win.

[LiquidWayno]

We just got Flip & Raja back and both have had some great moments. Flip and DJ can provide big scoring when we need it - if we cut down on turnovers, I will feel great about us and our chances at making the playoffs

[azfollower]

agreed, we aren't terrible. but 2 of our 3 wins are against 2 teams with a combined 1 win.

But our losses are against pretty tough teams. Other than the Celtics game, there have been pros as well as cons.

I honestly think we've got a shot this year.

[QC Thundercats]

To be honest, other than our OH-MY-GOD-WE-CAN'T-SCORE offense, I think they've had a decent showing. The thing I've been looking at is trends, not only of our team, but the other teams we've played as well.

The Boston game was awful by all standards. But looking at the Celtics trends, they have been blasting quality teams. They've beaten both the Bulls and Sixers by 30 points as well, and their point differential is an unheard of +15 per game. Their defense to date seems like it will be one of the best of the past few seasons - other than their 1 loss, nobody has scored over 90 on them. So yes, terrible game on our part, but they've made everyone look silly.

Knicks - I've been watching the score tickers while catching games on league pass, and the Knicks have been following the exact same trend as our game with them. In pretty much every game they've played, they were down 20-30 points during the first quarter or half. And every time, they always come back to tie it or make it close. Its uncanny how they have done this to just about everybody.

Cavs - well, we always suck against the Cavs, and they have always been one of the best defensive teams in the league. We were very competitive in the game til the end, so this seemed like an expected showing.

Nets - while they do have some talent, with their injuries, they are pretty much the worst team in the league, and I think their suckitude has dragged more than just us down to their level. The elite teams will destroy them, but it seems they have brought out some bad play and sloppiness from some good teams.

Hawks - I know we caught them at the perfect time, but we actually got a 20 point lead and maintained it to the end, something that we almost never do. They are a quality playoff team, and we proved we could sustain a high level of play all the way through the end.

Bulls - they are actually an excellent defensive team, and other than their losses to Miami and Boston, we are the only team to get 90 on them. We definitely choked that one away, but its part of the learning process.

So yes, we have plenty of issues to work out, but looking at the trends of the teams we've played, we haven't been terrible at all, but in fact our play against our opponents has been consistent with other teams in the league. Plus, with us finally having an excellent rebounding team for once in our history, and the return of our shooting guards, I still think we're gonna make a nice run to the 6-8 seed.

[Ghost Kat]

They have been playing terrible....But they still look better then they have any other year. 3-3...??? I'm willing to live with .500 play till it finally clicks and they stop turning the ball over so much.

[teej]

QC Thundercats, excellent post. Very good info.

[spectre]

The only loss I was truly disappointed in was to the Bulls...but as QC said they are good in D (like top 7?) and have a slightly better offense than we do.

[Walt Cronkite]

The only loss I was truly disappointed in was to the Bulls...but as QC said they are good in D (like top 7?) and have a slightly better offense than we do.

Right now Chicago's d eff is 8th (we're 3rd) and o eff is 26th (we're last).

I was pretty disappointed during the NY game, but that was pre flip and Raja's return. Wasn't that stoked about the NJ game either, since Nets were without Harris entirely and Yi to close things out and we still struggled, but that was Bell's first game back and still no Flip. Bell makes a big difference and I know we both have nonsexual boners for him. Tough stretch coming up, but that's going to be the case all season.

[teej]

I was pretty disappointed during the NY game, but that was pre flip and Raja's return. Wasn't that stoked about the NJ game either,

A win is a win is a win...right?

[Walt Cronkite]

Until it's a loss. See Detroit 97-86 victory in year 1.

[spectre]

Right now Chicago's d eff is 8th (we're 3rd) and o eff is 26th (we're last).

I was pretty disappointed during the NY game, but that was pre flip and Raja's return. Wasn't that stoked about the NJ game either, since Nets were without Harris entirely and Yi to close things out and we still struggled, but that was Bell's first game back and still no Flip. Bell makes a big difference and I know we both have nonsexual boners for him. Tough stretch coming up, but that's going to be the case all season.

Yeah, and that's why we really needed that Chicago win.

Those guys being out is what I've been hanging my hat on as well...and it is legitimate. I think we'll continue to get better just by playing together (assuming LB doesn't flip out and trade someone). Just how much tho is anyone's guess.

[teej]

Until it's a loss. See Detroit 97-86 victory in year 1.

I've already heard about that twice tonight :facepalm:. But we also had a chance to move up for CP3, so it's irrelevant. And the past is the past is the past, too.

[Walt Cronkite]

Just an obvious example of when a win is not a win. When we do not acknowledge the past we are doomed to repeat it.

[BRNC]

spectre...count on LB for at least one trade...

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Thanks for weighing in on the thread guys. I started this thread because in another thread somewhere several people were saying how terribly the team was playing. Less than ten games in and with certain factors involved I just could not go down the road of saying the team was playing "terrible!!"

I enjoyed reading everybody's post.

[Walt Cronkite]

I don't think the team is "playing terrible", we just have a low upside due to our limited talent. We should exceed media expectations based on team play--but at what cost?

[Marvel]

We SUCK when Diaw and Raja are your teams best scorers there's something seriously wrong i think it's called...............MEDIOCRITY.We need OFFENSE GOTDAMMIT our defense is solid top 5-6 in fact and unless LB can work out a trade for a 20ppg scorer this team is heading towards DOOMSDAY or are we there already:facepalm:

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Gee, if I recall didn't the better share of the players that are on this team make a playoff run last year? Were they all together from the start of the season? Team does not start 7 and 0 and everybody gets cynical and negative. Yes the team needs a quality PF and a solid SG that can score consistently but even without those two positions of weakness filled this team played as a team and made a hell of a run at the playoffs last year.

Marvel, don't you think you are being over dramatic when you say the team may be in DOOMSDAY already? It may take some time and feeling things out before somebody steps up and becomes a go to scorer.

So this talk of a mediocre team at this point is stupid. I seem to recall that the Celtics were a top seed playoff team last year and won a championship a short while ago, the Cavs were in the Finals two years ago and a top playoff seed last season, the Magic were in the Finals last season and the Bulls are a quality basketball team on the rise even though they lost BG. Also the Bobcats beat a playoff team from last year in the Atlanta Hawks.

Let's not jump the gun and get all DOOMSDAY this early in the season when the Bobcats have actually held their own early against some pretty frigging good basketball teams.

Of the teams I have mentioned the mighty have gotten mightier. Both the Celtics and the Orlando Magic seemed to have improved. Yes the Bobcats played an injury riddled Magic team but the Magic is a seasoned veteran ball club that knows how to win even when key players are down. They have some depth. The Cavs have struggled early and already people are talking DOOMSDAY for them as well. It is quite foolish given the history of the NBA to start talking DOOMSDAY or deciding a team lacks talent this early in the season in my opinion.

The Bobcats will get better. If they can stay within five games of 500 basketball 20 games into the season I feel we will see the team start to make a run. Larry Brown has a few new pieces and is feeling this team out. There will be some substitution issues till Larry gets a feel for the team. We don't see how practice goes and what Larry sees so we can arm chair coach all we want but coach Brown has been doing this for quite some time with quite a bit of success. I am not going to doubt how he works things out.

There is always a chance we can get a trade that helps the team at just the right time.

Lets not jump ship just now fellas.

[davcbow]

Get em Tex! :biggrin:

[teej]

Wait, Tex is being the optimist telling the pessimists to get real? Isn't this colossally fucked up?

LOL, keep it up Tex!

[davcbow]

Wait, Tex is being the optimist telling the pessimists to get real? Isn't this colossally fucked up?

LOL, keep it up Tex!

I know I hear the croud all going "Woof woof woof woof" :biggrin:

[Chef]

I know I hear the croud all going "Woof woof woof woof" :biggrin:

we made a playoff run against a much weaker Eastern conference. the conference got stronger and we actually got weaker.

[Chef]

although I don't think we are terrible. we showed some moxy last night. we just don't have the firepower to compete with the top teams. this season is all about beating the pacers, nets, knicks, pistons etc and splitting with the hawks and bulls, hanging around .500 and hoping for an 8 spot. no need to get too bent out of shape with losses to the power houses. the season is about cheering for Mediocrity. Let's go Blah! Let's go Blah! Let's go Blah!

[Walt Cronkite]

The Bobcats will get better. If they can stay within five games of 500 basketball 20 games into the season I feel we will see the team start to make a run. Larry Brown has a few new pieces and is feeling this team out. There will be some substitution issues till Larry gets a feel for the team. We don't see how practice goes and what Larry sees so we can arm chair coach all we want but coach Brown has been doing this for quite some time with quite a bit of success. I am not going to doubt how he works things out.

Being 5-15 25% of the way into the season will be an indicator of success? Can you elaborate?

[TOOT DADDY]

spectre...count on LB for at least one trade...
I can see the trade involving DJ. LB has made his choice and to this point Fetlon has played well at times. That being said I can see D.J. and one of the bigs out for a power forward besides Flip is cutting into his minutes playing at the 2 spot when last year it was D.J. at the two for stretches.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Being 5-15 25% of the way into the season will be an indicator of success? Can you elaborate?Quite plainly given that this team is playing a rather tough start to the season 5 and 15 is not insurmountable to come back from. The team was not doing much better than that 25% into last season. Remember how it turned out? That said I doubt the team is 5 and 15 at that point.

My point is that to get all worked up and start calling DOOMSDAY at this point in a LOOOONG season is a bit silly. Would it be better to start 15 and 5? Sure but a 15 and 5 team could have serious injuries and go down the toilet fast. Something could happen to said team and the chemistry takes a hit. On the other hand a 5 and 15 team who has been competitive for the most part could very easily start turning close games into wins.

Here is the deal people. It is 7 games into the season and the Bobcats have had a rather tough schedule. The team has two quality rookies who have yet to be worked into the lineup. There are a couple of new players who Larry Brown has to get a feel for. Players are getting used to one another for a new season. Players are not accustomed to these Bobcats being a playoff caliber team consistently. When these players get a feel for things and gain some confidence with wins against some top tier teams they will begin to gain some momentum. They will beat some top tier teams this season.

Anyway if you guys want to call this team lacking in talent and worse than last year by all means go ahead. I think it is silly myself to draw conclusions till at least 20 games have been played and we see how these players play together. Lose or win what we want is a team that competes. That can turn to victories in no time.

Of coarse why support the Bobcats for this season if they suck so bad?

By the way Larry Brown teams always start slowly. I have seen 5 and 15 teams go on to make the playoffs and I have seen 15 and 5 teams not make the playoffs. It is not just the winning and losing that should be looked at but the way they win or lose.

What I see with the Bobcats is a team that is competing but needs to gain some maturity and get accustomed to playing Larry Brown basketball on a regular basis. I think that will come.

Guys I can be optimistic when I think it is warranted. If the Bobcats are continuing terrible trends and aren't showing improvement after 20 games I will jump on the Bobcats suck bandwagon. As of now with the team well on their way to being much better than 5 and 15 twenty games in I am not going to scream the sky is falling. This team has had a rather tough schedule to start. Considering such I think they have held their own.

Talk to me after 20 games have been played.

[spectre]

I like this version of Tex!

+1 to you for all that hard work.

[Walt Cronkite]

Quite plainly given that this team is playing a rather tough start to the season 5 and 15 is not insurmountable to come back from. The team was not doing much better than that 25% into last season. Remember how it turned out? That said I doubt the team is 5 and 15 at that point.

This doesn't work for me. We played well at the end of the season because we traded for Diaw and Bell and upgraded Ammo to Radman (which is sad). We've had a tough start to the season, but I don't see where it gets easier. Our division is brutal. Outside of NY and NJ, there are no gimmie teams in the EC and we only get to play the worst teams out west twice. If we start 5-15 and don't have an injury to Wallace or another major contributor to use as an excuse, then the season is lost and we need to be playing for the future.


Of coarse why support the Bobcats for this season if they suck so bad?
I feel the franchise is a global representation of ourselves. Being suck is going to make me care more about the team, not less. Complacency leads good teams to become bad ones, while turning bad teams into awful ones.

[Keetch]

Rather than wait 20 games to see how we're doing, I think I've seen enough of all of our personnel one way or another to get an idea of what we are working with. So I see no problem making constructive evaluations at any time.

So here's some of mine.

I think the team is at a talent disadvantage somewhat because we have a coach that values player development and teaching as much as coaching. Only LB would bring in an Ajinca, a Diop or a Radman and feel inspired to develop them into something beyond their capability. Unfortunately none of those players have Chauncey Billups upside and will likely dissappoint. I'm pretty sure that's already becoming evident.

The only star player the Bobcats can claim is Gerald Wallace. No one else on the current roster causes any opponent any great offensive concern. And Wallace isn't NBA elite. Maybe NBA top 50. The team must depend on veteran discipline, poise and skill (relative to talent) to succeed. It must run crisp offense and exercise disciplined defense. The problem is that outside of Raja Bell, the personnel doesn't match up with the plan. Particularly our Point Guards aren't adequate at running an offense and in fact are often sloppy (in Felton's case) or lack court vision outside of their own path to the basket.

LB preaches efficiency and inside scoring and has that available in Wallace, Chandler, Muhammed, Diaw and the Point Guards. But until the team can consistently score from the perimeter, that inside threat will be marginalized. Developing real outside threats (Radman, DJ, Bell, Murray (yikes!) or some player yet to be signed) and having PG's that find it, is essential to scoring inside. Unfortunately none of those players is JRich (oops).

So far we're consistently sloppy on offense, but mostly tight on defense. No outside threat really exists. On the contrary, outside shooting is poor.
LB has given up on Diop, compelled Radmanovic to continually fail at playing inside on offense and relegated the rookies to the bench.

Unfortunately, unless Chandler plays with more discipline, we're at a great loss at Center from last year, and the team can't afford it. No I don't trust Mohammed to continue to play like he did last night against Howard.

So with the current roster, I think we're potentially worse off than last year. I think the degradation of the Center position, the continued lack of depth on the front line and the current difficulties at the Point Guard position leave the team groping to find an identity for the season. We'll see if they can develop a skilled chemistry; but I'm wary.

[Chef]

what about this to rebuild


Golden State Warriors


Boris Diaw$9,000,000 14.5
PF 2 Years

G. Wallace$9,500,000 18.6
SF 3 Years

D. Diop$6,031,800 9.7
C 3 Years

Hollinger's Analysis: -6 Wins
With this trade you have decreased this team's projected wins by 6.

Charlotte Bobcats


S. Jackson$7,650,000 16.2
SF 4 Years

A. Randolph$1,837,560 16.9
PF 2 Years

A. Biedrins$9,000,000 19.2
C 5 Years

Acie Law$2,216,160 10.7
PG 1 Year

Hollinger's Analysis: +7 Wins
With this trade you have increased this team's projected wins by 7.

plus a future #1 from GS to take on Jax if we can really strong arm them.

later in the season move raja for draft pick/young talent. Randolph is worth it. Biedrins is a really good center. we can move tyson next year.

[TOOT DADDY]

We should have traded for Randolph last year. Acie Law? H#ll no! Well if it makes this trade work I guess. Hopefully, you have in mind an additional trade.

[SCBobcat]

Being 5-15 25% of the way into the season will be an indicator of success? Can you elaborate?

I can't let it go on any longer. Tex didn't say 5-15. He said within 5 games of .500 after 20 games. That amounts to a record of 7.5-12.5. As you will recall, we started last season 7-18. So Tex's 7-12 or 8-13 record represents a 3 game improvement (6 in the loss column or 5 in the loss column and 1 in the win) from last year in roughly the fisrt 25% of the season. I could live with that.

[tamburello]

what about this to rebuild


Golden State Warriors


Boris Diaw$9,000,000 14.5
PF 2 Years

G. Wallace$9,500,000 18.6
SF 3 Years

D. Diop$6,031,800 9.7
C 3 Years

Hollinger's Analysis: -6 Wins
With this trade you have decreased this team's projected wins by 6.

Charlotte Bobcats


S. Jackson$7,650,000 16.2
SF 4 Years

A. Randolph$1,837,560 16.9
PF 2 Years

A. Biedrins$9,000,000 19.2
C 5 Years

Acie Law$2,216,160 10.7
PG 1 Year

Hollinger's Analysis: +7 Wins
With this trade you have increased this team's projected wins by 7.


When you rebuild, you don't take on gargantuan contracts which will last for 5 years or sth. You try to get rid of them if you have any.

I pray that Jackson would be traded somewhere else as soon as possible so that my fellow Bobcats fans stop regarding Jackson as the man who will save the franchise. We're bad (mediocre at best), we're deep in sh.t. I really don't understand how come it's so hard to see this. This franchise cannot be saved with a trade of two.

I hate tankers but the only possible way to clear the near future is to do what Knicks did. Send 2-3 seasons to trash bin, and pray for a miracle that will land a superstar like LeBron in CHA.

[Walt Cronkite]

I can't let it go on any longer. Tex didn't say 5-15. He said within 5 games of .500 after 20 games. That amounts to a record of 7.5-12.5. As you will recall, we started last season 7-18. So Tex's 7-12 or 8-13 record represents a 3 game improvement (6 in the loss column or 5 in the loss column and 1 in the win) from last year in roughly the fisrt 25% of the season. I could live with that.

??? I just thought it was a weird line to draw and wanted explanation. This roster is not very similar to the one that started last season 7-18. If we have a lower winning % through 20 games this season with a less talented team, then I don't see how we can start making a run and wanted to see what the possible silver lining could be besides ping pong balls.

[Walt Cronkite]

what about this to rebuild


Golden State Warriors


Boris Diaw$9,000,000 14.5
PF 2 Years

G. Wallace$9,500,000 18.6
SF 3 Years

D. Diop$6,031,800 9.7
C 3 Years

Hollinger's Analysis: -6 Wins
With this trade you have decreased this team's projected wins by 6.

Charlotte Bobcats


S. Jackson$7,650,000 16.2
SF 4 Years

A. Randolph$1,837,560 16.9
PF 2 Years

A. Biedrins$9,000,000 19.2
C 5 Years

Acie Law$2,216,160 10.7
PG 1 Year

Hollinger's Analysis: +7 Wins
With this trade you have increased this team's projected wins by 7.

plus a future #1 from GS to take on Jax if we can really strong arm them.

later in the season move raja for draft pick/young talent. Randolph is worth it. Biedrins is a really good center. we can move tyson next year.

This is a heavy price to pay for the opportunity to roll the dice on Anthony Randolph.

[Chef]

acie law just makes the deal work. plus, we could move raymond later in the year as well as raja for picks, young talent. yes jackson is a big contract for an aging player and i am not seeing him as the answer. i value crash way more than him. biedrins is a very good center who can go a long way to making us actual contenders as opposed to tyson. randolph, jackson and biedrins will keep us competitive if not better in the short term and could help us rebuild long term with some luck in the draft without having to throw away 3 seasons. if i was gm i would insist on a first round pick in this deal preferably for next year top 3 protected. just throwing around ideas, it just seems like gerald is the only asset we have that can give us a good return.

[BRNC]

Well Jackson made some clarifications the day after his agent ripped Nelson a new one...one of those clarifications was he still does not want to come to Charlotte...and from what I read he was saying "I do not want to go to a team rebuilding...I could just stay here if that is what I wanted"...I know I'm paraphrasing but the bottom line is he does not want to come here...

...as for dumping salaries for picks...every team in the league wants to dump salaries...if we go into "dump" mode we will be taken to the cleaners...

The best options we have:

1) Play the hand we've been dealt and hope we can bluff our way into the playoffs...doubtful at this point IMO...

2) Look for a trade (probably a three team) were we facilitate Jackson out of GS but we pick up something in the deal...

3) Play the rooks and see what we have with the hope that a contender comes knocking for a vet we have as a piece and take an expiring and a pick back...very doubtful if LB is here...

4) Try to find a straight up deal with another team that will help both teams...and I do not see GS as that team so pick any other...

I think number two is the most likely but to be honest the teams that have some interest in Jackson (mutual to his desires) have very little that I can see coming back to us...NY has nothing we really want, the Tx teams are pretty set with vets they do not want to deal...Boston and the Cavws have little to offer us...and we'd have to send one of our players out to pull it off...and please...none of those teams will take Diop so don't bother suggesting it...Vlad is probably the least we could give (and not sure that would bring much)....Diaw and either AA or DJ is probably more likely...

[nfcchamp2004]

When you rebuild, you don't take on gargantuan contracts which will last for 5 years or sth. You try to get rid of them if you have any.

I pray that Jackson would be traded somewhere else as soon as possible so that my fellow Bobcats fans stop regarding Jackson as the man who will save the franchise. We're bad (mediocre at best), we're deep in sh.t. I really don't understand how come it's so hard to see this. This franchise cannot be saved with a trade of two.

I hate tankers but the only possible way to clear the near future is to do what Knicks did. Send 2-3 seasons to trash bin, and pray for a miracle that will land a superstar like LeBron in CHA.

I totally agree. We don't need Jackson. We should try and emulate Portland and OKC and build through the draft. It kinda sucks that we traded that conditional pick to Denver/Minn. We really need to get lucky like Portland (nyk traded for randolph) and rid some of our bad contracts. I don't expect us to be so luck unless we part with Wallace to help get that done:(.

[SWedd523]

http://www.stumbleupon.com/s/#1nJQRl/dagobah.biz/flash/The_Charleston_to_Daft_Punk.swf/

[BRNC]

swedd that was a hoot...:biggrin:

[Marvel]

Aaaaaahh what did i say come on this isn't about pessimism this is realism WE SUCK face it.TC is a lost cause who still has a hard head to believe TC will get better huh.He stinks right now time and time again he's been lost on the weak side help.To me he looks like he doesn't have that fire anymore that he had in New Orleans i don't know if it's Charlotte or what.

[Chef]

what is the deal with the draft pick? where is it protected? perhaps, the best thing is to go into tank mode to assure a top 5 pick, trade raja and maybe felton later in the season for picks/talent, maybe trade boris if a contender comes knocking for picks and cap relief and start over.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!! Stop watching this terrible team they will be a lottery team i tell you!!!

[Chrystos]

I totally agree. We don't need Jackson. We should try and emulate Portland and OKC and build through the draft. It kinda sucks that we traded that conditional pick to Denver/Minn. We really need to get lucky like Portland (nyk traded for randolph) and rid some of our bad contracts. I don't expect us to be so luck unless we part with Wallace to help get that done:(.

We might not need Jackson but we really need a scorer. Maybe someone like Monta Ellis.

[ohara831]

I sure as hell dont want Jackson here. He'd have his mouthpiece idiot Agent run th FO, fans and his teammates down constantly and I already dont like agents to start. Dont need that extra trouble.