Chandler or Nazz

[dav7z]

Eight games in to the season now and i can't stand no more. This Mek trade is a friggin joke.

Nazz posted more points more rebounds in 15 mis V/S Chandler playing 30 mins
Nazz has not only out played TC one game but all eight games.


If Brown truely belives playing the right way he should beanch Chandler now.

Who should start at center?

[dav7z]

Diaw is soft can't play defence . Turns the ball over way to much . Doesn't look to score . Dosn't look like hes in the game at all . I saw two Felton turnovers where Boris wasn't looking for the ball at all.
He has been getting burned by average players all season , [Bass and Charlie V] In just the last two games .

I ready to see him go or at least devolope Lexy .
In last nights game Nazz, and Lexy was a much larger frunt line presance. Im thinking two of only three players who finished with a +




Even if we lose trade him . If even for a sorry player and a 1st round pick,

Thouhts on my rant from last night.

Pain makes you screw up i ment to make this two threads

[GoBobs]

Any front court combo that doesn't include vlad. Let's try going big with naz/Chandler backed up by diop/lexy. I am already tired of flip to his lack of interest in D is apparent.

[GoBobs]

Let's try to get more PTs from naz and lexy. See if they can do anything in the post.

[superb1]

Eight games in to the season now and i can't stand no more. This Mek trade is a friggin joke.

Nazz posted more points more rebounds in 15 mis V/S Chandler playing 30 mins
Nazz has not only out played TC one game but all eight games.


If Brown truely belives playing the right way he should beanch Chandler now.

Who should start at center?

I say we could always revisit the Diaw/Jackson trade, then start Nazr and Chandler until we found a taker for a Bell and Vlad/Diop offer for a PF/C

[Muttley]

I thought about this last night...

Nazr seems like he'd be not great, but sufficient against starting centers.
Maybe Tyson would be more productive playing the bulk of the minutes against 2nd stringers?

[dav7z]

This team needs to make at least two moves. Just to get respectably.
Diaw its time for him to be moved. He can't guard a average power foward in this league.
I would like to explore moves like S, Jackson and a first for him . Though i wouln't do any thing else stupid. Bad contracts got us in this mess.
AI is another area to explore , Henderson and thair first , Flip if he can be traded , DJ might have decent value . I don't think we can trade Felton


Larry needs to look at bigger line ups ,. Give rookies and 2nd year players more burn
What hes doing is not working . Change the starting line up. Im sure some of you will say DJ though i don't think thats the problem . I don't mind trying it .


What is working if any thing so far'
1 Nazz has proven to be our best scoring , rebounding big .
2 Rebounding , Wallace is all over the boards . But the lane is getting smaller ever game til we hit jump shots,
3 The rookies seem to compeate as much as the starters. Lexy, Brown , Henderson need more burn if they not causeing a big drop off.

Biggest needs
A scoring shooting guard who can defend some
A tough rebounding power foward who can hit a open jumper.


Best trade value= DJ, Bell, Diaw, Wallace. Im not ready for us to move Wallace unless we can get a lot of youth and draft picks

I think most agree we about tired of Vald , and getting sick of Flip quickly with Hendo on the beanch..

[Ghost Kat]

We didn't trade Mek for Tyson because Tyson was the better player. Ya'll need to get off that. LB alredy said it was the money plain and simple.

Tyson hasn't looked good at all so far this year. He does run and move around better then Okafor but he's not the defensive or rebounding type that Okafor is. But it';s not like Okafor is having that big a impact for the Hornets. Shit they are 3-6 and just fired their coach.

Nazr sucks, He's getting good stats for a back up because Tyson can't seem to stay on the court without racking up fouls. Nazrhas no low post game, No defense, and just like Diaw he's just a big body.

Diaw....I'm not understanding why we thought he was so good. He's horrible in the low post. Never looks for his own shoot, turns the ball over needlessly, and out right sucks on defense. Ya'll bitched and moaned about DJ not being able to guard anyone but your quiet about Diaw's lack of defense.

Derrick Brown needs more playing time..........

[Dcarnys]

In the whole Nazz v TC debate I gotta go with TC, maybe it's because im not a big Nazz fan but that's just me. One thing TC has to do is get better offensively. Besides that Nazz is doin' pretty good so far but I really don't expect him to keep it up.

[dav7z]

In the whole Nazz v TC debate I gotta go with TC, maybe it's because im not a big Nazz fan but that's just me. One thing TC has to do is get better offensively. Besides that Nazz is doin' pretty good so far but I really don't expect him to keep it up.


To start what i really would like to try and do .
1st Trade DIAW , for S Jackson and a first
2nd Trade Bells expiring and Vald for a decent power foward

I would love for us to try a big line up . A combo of Nazz, TC, Lexy. Going big couldn't be worse than starting Diaw.

I would all so like more burn for Brown and Henderson

[Chrystos]

To start what i really would like to try and do .
1st Trade DIAW , for S Jackson and a first
2nd Trade Bells expiring and Vald for a decent power foward

I would love for us to try a big line up . A combo of Nazz, TC, Lexy. Going big couldn't be worse than starting Diaw.

I would all so like more burn for Brown and Henderson

That is exactly what I would want. :D

[davcbow]

To start what i really would like to try and do .
1st Trade DIAW , for S Jackson and a first
2nd Trade Bells expiring and Vald for a decent power foward

I would love for us to try a big line up . A combo of Nazz, TC, Lexy. Going big couldn't be worse than starting Diaw.

I would all so like more burn for Brown and Henderson

I like that idea but wasn't it posted that Jackson said he didn't want to play in Charlotte?

[teej]

I like that idea but wasn't it posted that Jackson said he didn't want to play in Charlotte?
Right now he's at the "Anywhere but here" stage.

As for who should start, I was able to hold my own in saying that Nazzy should start over Mek, so of course I think he should start over TC. But Boris and TC still need another week before they can really be judged for being in shape.

And for those of you whining about TC, just watch sportscenter. I've seen enough highlights of Mek's ability to do nothing today that I could've sworn he was back in Charlotte. Actually, in one highlight he was. Getting posterized, as usual.

But I'd like to see more of UPS, Lexy, Hendo, and most of all Nazzy. Why not?

[BRNC]

I like that idea but wasn't it posted that Jackson said he didn't want to play in Charlotte?

dav...I read a story (and will find it if I need to) the day after his agent said "he'd play anywhere to get away from GSW"...Jackson said, and I' paraphrasing, that he does not want to go to a rebuilding team (and mentioned us)...that he could stay with GS if that was going to happen...he wants to a playoff team period...he does not see us as that...

I'd rather see us as a third team in a deal involving Jackson anyway...I think we would stand a better chance of not getting burned or stuck with another bad contract...but who knows at this point...I'm of the opinion (and have been since they were made) that all the trades last year were not good trades for one reason or another...but that is just my opinion...

This is the link to the story of "not a rebuilding team"...still looking for the one that mentioned us by name...
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ApIZnFuTl.Zv5JF807ll7L.8vLYF?slug=mc-jackson111009&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

another god read but not the one I'm looking for...
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/11/10/cleveland-remains-stephen-jacksons-most-likely-destination/

[BRNC]

I'm still searching for the other story but the bottom line...he does not want to be here...he be a pain in the a** because of that...I'd rather be the third team and pick up someone that wants to be here...

Finally found it...

http://www.contracostatimes.com/warriors/ci_13751666?nclick_check=1

[Ghost Kat]

I'll agree Nazr is better then Diop, But I'd still rather have Tyson. That is if he could actually stay on the court. Nazr doesn't need more playing time, Tyson needs to stay out of foul trouble.

[BRNC]

Nazzy is getting the minutes he wanted (15-20) and he is doing a good job...he is no longer a starter...he (IMO) has lived up to what he said he would do in the off season...came in in good shape and is playing for playing time...

TC is supposed to be a starter in this league...but he has not proven that since he has been here...and we all know about missed time, injuries, getting to know the system....but none of those explain the really crappy fouls he is committing...yes one or two have been mediocre calls by the refs but he is stacking them up game after game...he is more of a liability and I for one am glad Nazzy has not been traded or we'd have no "big" on this team worth anything...

[Marvel]

TC stinks..............keep comin with the excuses....... fouls this stay on the court that, yet somehow y'all still bringing up Okafor as if to say "you just watch man TC will get his man he will make fools out of you fullas yet" hahaaaaaaaaaaaa what a joke.TC's best days were in Orleans 2 seasons ago the only season where he averaged a double double.The Hornets were the 2nd best team in the Western Conference playing along side 2 All Stars for crying out loud one of them was the best pg in the league and quite possibly of all time and coach of the year to boot.We have Felton(BOOOOOOO) who to me is playing as good as a back up pg and is worthy of playing a back up at this point and we will never be the team the Hornets were 2 seasons ago...........not with this lack of talent anyway.TC's double double days are over now he's getting paid 11-12 mill to rebound and commit silly fouls hahaaaaaaaaaaa ooohhhh why play TC when Nazzy or Gana can do that for half the frickin price:D Oh yeah and i'm getting tired of LB and his "Pet Projects"

[teej]

TC stinks..............keep comin with the excuses....... fouls this stay on the court that, yet somehow y'all still bringing up Okafor as if to say "you just watch man TC will get his man he will make fools out of you fullas yet" hahaaaaaaaaaaaa what a joke.TC's best days were in Orleans 2 seasons ago the only season where he averaged a double double.The Hornets were the 2nd best team in the Western Conference playing along side 2 All Stars for crying out loud one of them was the best pg in the league and quite possibly of all time and coach of the year to boot.We have Felton(BOOOOOOO) who to me is playing as good as a back up pg and is worthy of playing a back up at this point and we will never be the team the Hornets were 2 seasons ago...........not with this lack of talent anyway.TC's double double days are over now he's getting paid 11-12 mill to rebound and commit silly fouls hahaaaaaaaaaaa ooohhhh why play TC when Nazzy or Gana can do that for half the frickin price:D Oh yeah and i'm getting tired of LB and his "Pet Projects"

We traded for TC to get rid of Mek. Addition by subtraction.

[TheBeagle]

Derrick Brown needs more playing time.......... You, my friend, are preaching to the choir! +1

That's what's really pissing me off with Larry this year. It appears he'd rather lose while logging his regular lineup big minutes, than make actual adjustments in PT and lineups, giving his youngins minutes, developing them, and, quite honestly, playing better at times; or at the very least, with better effort. I mean, Derrick challenges EVERY shot. God bless him, but GW challenges half at best. Instead, it's the musical chairs with Derrick, Lexy and Diop on the inactive list.

Larry is definitely a mad genius, but I'm afriad he's more "mad" than "genius" at this point...

[BobcatsAllDay]

Diaw is soft can't play defence . Turns the ball over way to much . Doesn't look to score . Dosn't look like hes in the game at all . I saw two Felton turnovers where Boris wasn't looking for the ball at all.
He has been getting burned by average players all season , [Bass and Charlie V] In just the last two games .

I ready to see him go or at least devolope Lexy .
In last nights game Nazz, and Lexy was a much larger frunt line presance. Im thinking two of only three players who finished with a +




Even if we lose trade him . If even for a sorry player and a 1st round pick,

Thouhts on my rant from last night.

Pain makes you screw up i ment to make this two threads

I wanted us to sign Charlie V way before his 30 point outburst. I like his game, but that's old news now....

[dav7z]

Can any one explain to me ? Why Borris doesn't set the pick and then roll like May and Crarlie V does to the open spot and be ready to take that open 15 to 20 foot open shot. Another one who i feel can hit that shot at a good clip is Lexy. We don't seen to take advantege of out picks at all.


Another thing we don't do is spread the floor well for Wallace . Its all ways at least three people in the lane whem Wallace takes his shot. We should be getting all kind of D3s if we spreaded the floor.


Another thing Nazz is the only Big that can hit from the Free through line . Why do we not ever put him in the highh post to alow our points to drive. Note Nazz played some high post with Lexy in the game.

We all know Brown isn't as good as Wallace . Henderson isn't as good as Bell, Lexy isn't as good as Boris . But with the state of the team thease guys need consistant burn. At worst they bring energy.

I truely belive this a line up of Nazz, Lexy, Brown, Henderson , DJ could compeate with our starters. With out much drop at all . I heard rumors thease guys beat the starters in a lot of pick ups .
Flip , Diop , Radman Should be consistant DNP til some one gets hurt.

ILBIT im begining to doubt not playing thease young studs .

[spectre]

The value of experience (http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2009/11/the-value-of-experience.html)

[KT#20]

Tyson's a scrub; Nazr should start.

[davcbow]

Tyson's a scrub; Nazr should start.

I say start the 2nd team because the starters dont seem hungry at all...

[TheBeagle]

The value of experience (http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2009/11/the-value-of-experience.html) Yeah, Bonnell, and we all know NBA basketball is a halfcourt 2 on 2 game :rolleyes:

Heaven help me if this is Bonnell's best excuse for Derrick and 12 for not getting more PT then he's even more of a hack than I thought.....Yeesh.

[spectre]

Yeah, Bonnell, and we all know NBA basketball is a halfcourt 2 on 2 game :rolleyes:

Heaven help me if this is Bonnell's best excuse for Derrick and 12 for not getting more PT then he's even more of a hack than I thought.....Yeesh.

Not saying at all that the rooks shouldn't get PT. That was more for those who were saying they should get PT over the starters. As bad as they might look vs other teams...the rooks would probably get whatever confidence they have crushed.

[dav7z]

Not saying at all that the rooks shouldn't get PT. That was more for those who were saying they should get PT over the starters. As bad as they might look vs other teams...the rooks would probably get whatever confidence they have crushed.

Thease rooks have to get consistant burn to get better . We had to attend school to learn and i didn;t do a god job of that.

Lexy, Brown , Hendo . need the burn, the chance to learn, If not givem the chance they fall behind . I would bet all most any one Lexy could start on most NBA teams given proper burn his rookie year . We all learn by mistakes give thease guys a chance to mess up Its the only way the team gets better


90% of the good players in this league get burn thair first year . If Browns rotations continue . Odds are we end up with two players who have short NBA carers.

A good NBA player is, confidence, NBA playing time . Willing to learn, Physical abilitys is fourth on my list.

[Ghost Kat]

I don't know about Henderson getting more time, But in the little bit i've seen of Derrick Brown, He seems to want to score. He attacks the basket and has a nic jumper. He needs more playing time, Period.

I'm not a fan of Nazr, Thats clear, But don't pretend he's better then he really is. He's not a starter, Get that idea out of your head. I'll still stick with Chandler. Better rebounder, which at this point isn't saying much for either player. Nazr does look more comfortable in the low post then Tyson but again thats not saying much for either person.

Ps: Diaw is now in the Kat's litter box

[jazzer89]

So i am all for Nazr starting after tonight's game against the Pacers, i know it was the pacers but a team high 18pts is big for us from the center position.

[ohara831]

He's earned another start. Dont know whether TC is suppose to be back for the next game, but I'd start Nazr again anyway.

[MJ's Caddy]

I'd say let Nazr play until he gives a reason otherwise, chandler is giving us no production so let him rest his back as long as he wants and we can have a center who can actually put the ball in the basket

[davcbow]

At this point in time, Nazr!

[Muttley]

I still think that starting Nazr would actually HELP Tyson because TC would be playing against lesser competition. At the very least, it would allow him to get into the shape that he's supposedly able to get back into. I don't think Nazr's gonna be able to give a whole bunch of minutes every night, but I do think he can give 20 very solid minutes every night, and do it against good competition. So, yeah, start Nazr.

[BRNC]

Well...as a team we hurt offensively (most of the time)...Nazzy has shown (again) that he is still an offensive force that has to be guarded...Ty is not that...Nazzy should start because he has played better BB and certainly has a more well-rounded game...

I'm not going to hit on Ty...he is what he is and did not ask to come here...but the guy playing better deserves the time and gives the team a better chance to win...just my opinion...

[dav7z]

I still think that starting Nazr would actually HELP Tyson because TC would be playing against lesser competition. At the very least, it would allow him to get into the shape that he's supposedly able to get back into. I don't think Nazr's gonna be able to give a whole bunch of minutes every night, but I do think he can give 20 very solid minutes every night, and do it against good competition. So, yeah, start Nazr.

I agree with ya hear about lesser conpetition. It might help . I saw Nazz as a plus a few weeks ago when i started the thread. Right now Nazz is the better all around center .

But fact is TC can't hit a consistant 5 footer . That puts a hell of a lot of pressure on the offence . Lexy can hit that shot and needs the burn . Burry TC behind Lexy and hope he gets pissed and opts out next season . Thats 12 milion of wasted money . If he opted out we might be able to add another piece or two.

[Chrystos]

Nazer could do that Chandler can't. That is score and not turn the ball over a lot. I'm all for Nazer starting. :biggrin:

[Demon DeaCat]

I don't even think this is a question at this point. Nazz is clearly a better player than Chandler. With all the talk about how bad Nazzy's contract is and how much we need to unload him, he's always been a pretty decent player when he's been given minutes. The only reason he isn't worth his contract is becasue he hasn't been given a chance to earn it. He averaged 9 and 7 for us when we first got him 2 years ago, and he could give us that again if given the opportunity.

A big part of our problem this year is that we haven't had a low post threat that other teams had to respect at all. We've had no balance. Okafor didn't have silky smooth post moves, but if he got the ball deep enough in the paint, he could score. Nazzy gives us that. Chandler can't catch, can't shoot, can't post up, he can't do anything other than dunk. I know LB has forgotten more about basketball than I'll ever know, but why on earth did he bury Nazzy behind Diop last year? It's unfathomable that you could look at Nazzy vs. Diop last year or Nazzy vs. Chandler right now and not see that Nazzy is the better player. LB needs to give Nazzy as many minutes as his legs can handle. And one more thing, the next time he starts off a game making 4 straight shots, DON'T SUB HIM OUT OF THE GAME UNTIL HE MISSES ONE!

[Muttley]

I don't even think this is a question at this point. Nazz is clearly a better player than Chandler. With all the talk about how bad Nazzy's contract is and how much we need to unload him, he's always been a pretty decent player when he's been given minutes. The only reason he isn't worth his contract is becasue he hasn't been given a chance to earn it. He averaged 9 and 7 for us when we first got him 2 years ago, and he could give us that again if given the opportunity.

A big part of our problem this year is that we haven't had a low post threat that other teams had to respect at all. We've had no balance. Okafor didn't have silky smooth post moves, but if he got the ball deep enough in the paint, he could score. Nazzy gives us that. Chandler can't catch, can't shoot, can't post up, he can't do anything other than dunk. I know LB has forgotten more about basketball than I'll ever know, but why on earth did he bury Nazzy behind Diop last year? It's unfathomable that you could look at Nazzy vs. Diop last year or Nazzy vs. Chandler right now and not see that Nazzy is the better player. LB needs to give Nazzy as many minutes as his legs can handle. And one more thing, the next time he starts off a game making 4 straight shots, DON'T SUB HIM OUT OF THE GAME UNTIL HE MISSES ONE!
I agree with most everything except that LB said that Nazr subbed himself out. If you're a professional basketball player and you're playing your ass off so much that you actually ASK to be out of the game... then I can see you getting the sub. So, I think in the last game, LB did give him all his legs can handle.

And it was a good thing that he did.

[teej]

I agree with most everything except that LB said that Nazr subbed himself out. If you're a professional basketball player and you're playing your ass off so much that you actually ASK to be out of the game... then I can see you getting the sub. So, I think in the last game, LB did give him all his legs can handle.

And it was a good thing that he did.

This. Nazzy is possibly the best center we've ever had, and he couldn't even get 50 games last season...

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Oh, if Nazr was 7 years younger, I'd be so happy to have him.

He's doing great, but fatigue is starting to catch up with him =\

[BETCATS]

I say give Nazr 20-25 minutes a game and let Chandler have 25-30. It will take presure off both of them, as neither can do 100% of what they are capible of (injuries affect Tyson while age takes its toll on Nazr).

We must distribute minutes so Nazr is in the game when we need scoring and Tyson is in when we need lockdown defense. Also, NO MORE SMALL BALL. DEATH TO SMALL BALL. Sorry for the caps lock, but that really had to be said/emphasized.

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Yea that

Small ball works for teams that are playing a run and gun type game. We are too slow too use small ball to our advantage.

[BRNC]

I did not want to start a new post since we had this one...really liked LBs comments post game about Nazzy...why he is better this year..."

"When asked what's the big difference between Nazr this year versus last Brown answered honestly and bluntly, "The coach. I didn't play him. A lot of things I didn't feel he could do. It wasn't his fault he came everyday prepared. If you're going to be fair he should be starting."


This is the link and is a good read...

http://www.queencityhoops.com/GameRecap120809.php

[Muttley]

I did not want to start a new post since we had this one...really liked LBs comments post game about Nazzy...why he is better this year..."

"When asked what's the big difference between Nazr this year versus last Brown answered honestly and bluntly, "The coach. I didn't play him. A lot of things I didn't feel he could do. It wasn't his fault he came everyday prepared. If you're going to be fair he should be starting."


This is the link and is a good read...

http://www.queencityhoops.com/GameRecap120809.php

I hadn't heard that quote, but I like it.

Looking at it though, with the way Ty's playing defense (via the foul) Nazr is effectively the starter.

I also like that Gana got some time last night. He wasn't great, by any stretch, but it's good that he was given the time to try.

[SWedd523]

I think Nazr "should" be the starter, but I don't think his body could handle the entire season if he did. I don't mind them splitting minutes with Nazr getting 15/20 a game

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

I did not want to start a new post since we had this one...really liked LBs comments post game about Nazzy...why he is better this year..."

"When asked what's the big difference between Nazr this year versus last Brown answered honestly and bluntly, "The coach. I didn't play him. A lot of things I didn't feel he could do. It wasn't his fault he came everyday prepared. If you're going to be fair he should be starting."


This is the link and is a good read...

http://www.queencityhoops.com/GameRecap120809.php

whoah, that's a pretty strong statement by LB. At least he is acknowledging the fact that he did not make the best decision by not playing Nazr last year.

I like LB's honesty and the fact he recognizes his errors. I hope that there aren't any players in our bench right now that should be playing and are getting overlooked.

[BRNC]

I think Nazr "should" be the starter, but I don't think his body could handle the entire season if he did. I don't mind them splitting minutes with Nazr getting 15/20 a game

I agree with you swedd...because of little playing time (last couple of years) I think Nazzy is good up to half a game...but if he is going to play 3-4 more years (and I'm not opposed to that) then he needs to stay in that 15-24 range...

It goes back to any trade that his name comes up...he really needs to stay here because he is the only consistent "big" we have...and I shudder to think what would happen if we do trade him and Ty gets hurt...although with the way Ty has played...I shudder to think about trading Nazzy under any circumstances...

[BRNC]

whoah, that's a pretty strong statement by LB. At least he is acknowledging the fact that he did not make the best decision by not playing Nazr last year.

I like LB's honesty and the fact he recognizes his errors. I hope that there aren't any players in our bench right now that should be playing and are getting overlooked.

There are always those players with LB...and always those who get more time than they should...it is one of the reasons an LB team is so manic (up and down)...lose to the Nets...beat Denver...go figure...

[Walt Cronkite]

From today's PER diem

Yes, that's Charlotte's Nazr Mohammed (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=568) near the top of the PER charts (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics) -- he ranks 12th overall and third among centers at 24.90, more than tripling his rating of a year ago. the Bobcats' long-forgotten third-string center has moved up to second on the depth chart and might be first before long if he continues playing so well. Mohammed had 15 points on just seven field goals in Charlotte's 107-95 win over the Nuggets on Tuesday, continuing a shocking early-season scoring binge. Mohammed is averaging 22.1 points per 40 minutes and is shooting 58.5 percent from the floor -- one season after shooting 40.6 percent and falling out of the rotation -- and the two games in which he played more than 20 minutes (wins over the Cavaliers and Nuggets) were the Bobcats' two best outings of the season.
Despite an awkward jumper and a lack of elevation, Mohammed has always been more productive at the offensive end than his rep suggested -- check out (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=568) those annual PERs in the 15s and 16s prior to last season. His slow feet and lack of shot-blocking make him a liability on D, but that's irrelevant if he keeps playing this well offensively.

Some national media blurb love.