Who Built the Pyramids?

[Ghost Kat]

My new debate topic.....

The exact number of stones was orginally estimated at 2,300,000 stone blocks weighing from 2 tons - 30 tons each with some weighing as much as 70 tons.



Computer calculations indicate 590,712 stone blocks were used in its construction. It area covers 13.6 acres with each side greater than 5 acres in area.


There are supposedly 144,000 casing stones, all highly polished and flat to an accuracy of 1/100th of an inch, about 100 inches thick and weighing about 15 tons each with nearly perfect right angles for all six sides.



Computer calculations indicated 40,745 casing stones were used averaging 40 tons each before the face angle was cut.


The average casing stone on the lowest level was 5 ft. long by 5 ft. high by 6 ft. deep and weighed 15 tons. The casing stones weighing as much as 20 tons were placed with an accuracy of 5/1000ths of an inch, and an intentional gap of about 2/100ths of an inch for mortar.


http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:7I6w9GsmhMgJ:www.crystalinks.com/gpstats.html+pyramid+facts&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Who built them??

Personally, I think it's impossible for them to build one of those in 20 yrs. They had no cranes, No pulley systems that could support that weight. The workforce needed to move and then place that block perfectly might be in the millions.

Could the Pyramids and Sphinx be a whole lot older then we have been told?

Is there a lost piece of human history missing?

Did Aliens do it?

Are we the Aliens?

Or was it a work force of jewish slaves and egyptian slaves forced to work day and night for 20 yrs? And thats just one of the three big ones plus the Sphinx and the hundreds of other random pyramids in egypt ....??

[teej]

The Jews ARE God's chosen people :D

But I think it probably just took longer than 20 yrs...

[SWedd523]

The same people that built the pyramids on Mars and the Moon.

[davcbow]

My daughter told me I was older than the pyramids but I be damned if I know....:biggrin:

[ziggy]

I'll throw a little gasoline on this fire.

Here are a few facts about the pyramids:


The perimeter of the pyramid divided by two times the height would equal to pi (3.1416…) up to the fifteenth digit.
The 3 pyramids of Giza is exactly aligned with the stars of the the Orions belt.
The height of the pyramid (481 ft) is 1/1,000,000,000 of the distance of Earth from the sun.
The pyramid is lined up exactly with the magnetic north pole.
The pyramid lies 31 degrees north and 31 degrees west, longitude and latitude.

Thats a heck of a lot of coincidences. :g:

[Dunk]

I visited the pyramids earlier this year. Not as impressive as you'd think. Up close, you can tell it's hand cut. This stuff makes it sound mystical. The base rocks go around, there's a lot of filler all over the place as well as tunnels and so forth.

It's all conspiracy theory stuff. They were definitely buildable with enough resources.

[Ghost Kat]

It's all conspiracy theory stuff. They were definitely buildable with enough resources.

I'm sorry, But i'm going to have to disagree with this statement. I waited to see what answers I might get to that question. Now let me hit you with a couple of fun facts about the Pyramids.

1. They say the pyramids are tombs for the kings of that time. No mummy has ever EVER been found inside a pyramid. Anywhere.

2.They marked everything back then in hieroglyphs. They talked about everything from farming to how to give birth. Not one thing is written about who made the pyramids, why, when ,how, none of that. For people that wrote down everything, Why nothing about their biggest acheivement? There are NO hieroglyphs anywhere on the three great pyramids.

3. The Egyptians themselves says the "Son Gods" built those pyramids.

4. The Sphinx has signs of erosion and water damage. It's hasn't rained in Egypt like that since 10,000 BC. Think about it.......

5. Osirian Temple, right down from the Sphinx is 10 or 20 feet lower then the surrounding area. Meaning it was built a long time ago and dirt and stuff piled up around and above it. If that dirt is measured for how long it takes to get that high.......10,000bc

6. The blocks for the pyramid are said to have been rolled on tree's up to the building site. Egypt at that time was still dessert like it is today. But not in 10,000 BC. The only tree's around today for them to use are date palm's. That was a food source for them, They wouldn't destroy a food source just to roll blocks on them. Plus date palms are skinny couldn't hold a 2 ton block without it smashing the palm tree under the pressure.

7. Ziggy noted that the stars of Orion's belt match the three great pyramids. They are directly over those three pyramids only in the year 10,000 BC.

8.When the Sphinx was "found" by Ramsis in eygptian history it was burried up to it's neck in sand. How long you think it would for that much sand to get there?

9. The box in the middle of the great pyramid, Believed to be the final resting place for the kings Tut's mummy. Never had a mummy in it. But it is big enough for the Ark of the Covenant..... Think about it.

10. The face on the Sphinx is cleary african, not white, not semite, not asian, Black african. Alot of statues and artifacts from that period have their nose broken off. Why is that, To hide the true identity of the builders?

I have more, But I believe there is a lost piece of history missing. I think around 10,000 BCE the human race was doing big things. But 10,000 BCE was also the end of the last ice age which means alot of climate change. Grass lands turn into sand. Rivers turn into dirt piles. There might have even been a pole flip. In Greenland they have found animals with green grass still in their stomach when they died. So something serious happened to this planets climate around 10,000 BCE.

Something happened, Maybe there was a Atlantis type civilization that was wiped out. The survivors rebuildt but never got back to the level of knowledge and technology as before. They moved blocks of granite that weighed in the thousands of ton's. How did they do that? The most we can move today with one of our super cranes is 200 tons and we can only move that from the back of a truck or train to a ship. Not the miles and miles these people moved the blocks.....How did they do it.....Who did it??....When did they do it??

[Dunk]

All that is speculation, man, and doesn't really appear to have any scientific evidence or research behind it. From my first hand observations, Egypt has quite a few trees and it rained when I was there! I just prefer to analyze things based on evidence. I think you can find all kinds of coincidences if you look for them and speculation really doesn't mean anything.

Not really gonna debate too much on this one. I prefer to argue about religion and politics. :)

Here's some pics of my trip just for fun.

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[Ghost Kat]

All that is speculation, man, and doesn't really appear to have any scientific evidence or research behind it.




Sorry Sir, But your wrong there. I don't get my opinions from speculation. I put alot of thought behind it. You clearly missed what I said about the rain. I said it hasn't rained enough since the last ice age to put the weathering rain erosion on the sphinx. Thats not me saying that it's geologist saying it. I'll post the link if you like.

Whats really speculation is saying that slaves built the pyramids in 20 yrs.

What has no evidence is saying these slaves picked up blocks that weight 50 tons and placed them PERFECTLY into postion over 2 million times.

There's no way to date stone. It doesn't have enough carbon. Usually what scientist do it date the bones who whoever is near by and then say well since he's buried beside it he must have built it.

At what point do coincidences stop being coincidences in ya'lls mind and start equaling up to something?

[Ghost Kat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDofx2hKZRQ

[spectre]

We developed from thinking the earth was flat to now in what...600 years or so? No telling what kind of technology lived and died in thousands of years. The human race has probably detroyed itself a few times.



Is there a lost piece of human history missing?

Did Aliens do it?

Are we the Aliens?



I think all of them are possible.

[bing!]

Who built the pyramids? Easy one, Stephen freakin' Jackson.

[SWedd523]

Who built the pyramids? Easy one, Stephen freakin' Jackson.
Stephen Jackson didn't build the pyramids silly.





















He was the mother fuckin' Pharaoh!

[Ghost Kat]

There are pyramid type structures all over the world. Mexico, China , India , South America, Just to name few. What made these supposed unrelated cultures build temples of similar design? Were would they get that idea from, If not and orginal Atlantis type culture that was scattered by some extreme disaster.

I noted the the Space/Science thread that pictures of "alien like" people were craved and painted into rock inside on cave walls. Every culture around the world has a creation myth that involves "Sky Gods" coming down and interacting with mankind. Now I can't proof alien technology helped build the pyramids and other megalithic structures like Stonehenge in England or Baalbeck in Lebonnon. Teotihuacan in Mexico has temples just like Egypt. Their Temple of the Sun has the exact same base as the Great Pyramid in Giza.

Another coincidence I guess........

[davcbow]

There are pyramid type structures all over the world. Mexico, China , India , South America, Just to name few. What made these supposed unrelated cultures build temples of similar design? Were would they get that idea from, If not and orginal Atlantis type culture that was scattered by some extreme disaster.

I noted the the Space/Science thread that pictures of "alien like" people were craved and painted into rock inside on cave walls. Every culture around the world has a creation myth that involves "Sky Gods" coming down and interacting with mankind. Now I can't proof alien technology helped build the pyramids and other megalithic structures like Stonehenge in England or Baalbeck in Lebonnon. Teotihuacan in Mexico has temples just like Egypt. Their Temple of the Sun has the exact same base as the Great Pyramid in Giza.

Another coincidence I guess........

I agree kat, there is something that none of us are seeing, that is bigger than all of us, that happened and we have lost the story through translation over the years since it all went down...:cool:

[Ghost Kat]

I don't think man's history is a clear cut as it's written in history books. Ancient man built temples directly alined with stars in the sky.

They had electricity 5000 yrs ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad_Battery

They had ships, so it's not to far a leap to believe the Egyptians could have sailed to America long before Columbus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olmec

The Olmec are people of a clearly african nature, that were located in south amercia long before any white man or even native American was thought to have been in the America's. If the Olmec's sailed to the America's before Columbus that would explain why the Maya's religion and culture mirror's certain african tribal myths. It would explain where they go the idea to build pyramids.

The Hopi indians have the exact same creation myth and ceremonial dances as the Dogon tribe in Africa. They both worship the star Sirius. Now how does a Native American Tribe and a African Tribe get the same creation myth?

Think about it...

[Ghost Kat]

Let me bring this a little closer to home then........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_Point

Ignore the man yelling in the beginning and the Militant speaking African. Just listen to the info.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM6XdbYqX00&feature=quicklist

The Hieroglyphics

"On all the urns, or walls over doorways , and tablets of stone which were found by the image are the mysterious hieroglyphics, the key to which the Smithsonian Institute hopes yet to discover. The engraving on the tables probably has something to do with the religion of the people. Similar hieroglyphics have been found in southern Arizona. Among the pictorial writings, only two animals are found. One is of prehistoric type.

The Crypt

"The tomb or crypt in which the mummies were found is one of the largest of the chambers, the walls slanting back at an angle of about 35 degrees. On these are tiers of mummies, each one occupying a separate hewn shelf. At the head of each is a small bench, on which is found copper cups and pieces of broken swords. Some of the mummies are covered with clay, and all are wrapped in a bark fabric.

http://www.think-aboutit.com/Misc/Canyon.html

"Egypt and the Nile, and Arizona and the Colorado will be linked by a historical chain running back to ages, which staggers the wildest fancy of the fictionist. Under the direction of Professor S.A. Jordan, the Smithsonian Institute is now prosecuting the most thorough explorations, which will be continued until the last link in the chain is forged. "

http://www.xpeditionsmagazine.com/magazine/canyon/canyon.html

Again, Ignore the man yelling in the beginning and the Militant speaking African.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqIvaF4rBdQ

Starts to explain why there are Pyramids everywhere

[Ghost Kat]

:crazy:....No one ever listens

Knowing is half the battle....thank you GI JOE

[Chef]

I have more, But I believe there is a lost piece of history missing. I think around 10,000 BCE the human race was doing big things. But 10,000 BCE was also the end of the last ice age which means alot of climate change. Grass lands turn into sand. Rivers turn into dirt piles. There might have even been a pole flip. In Greenland they have found animals with green grass still in their stomach when they died. So something serious happened to this planets climate around 10,000 BCE.


so you are saying al gore built the pyramids or were they built for him?

[Ghost Kat]

so you are saying al gore built the pyramids or were they built for him?

This is how I fill about your question....


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[BETCATS]

People did it. End of story. Saying otherwise is just a failed attempt to try and take away one of man kind's greatest achivements.

[Chef]

This is how I fill about your question....


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your tags are just getting better. now you need a good clip from i'm gonna get you sucka, life, or trading places

[ziggy]

Kat,

What is your opinion on the theory that there may be pyramids ( and other structures ) on Mars but the powers that be refuse to release those images?

[Ghost Kat]

Kat,

What is your opinion on the theory that there may be pyramids ( and other structures ) on Mars but the powers that be refuse to release those images?

For those that don't know.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo2bnTF21yI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V0U1ZuXIyw


Nasa has had pictures of the face since the 70's. I'm sure at this point they know exactly what's there. To be honest, With the little creditable info there is out there I don't know what to think. But there are clearly some strange connections that haven't been fully explained.

It does look human, But it could be a monkey. Kinda looks like both , but if you have a good imagination it kinda looks like a Alien face. And what's with the Sphinx like head wrap? Weird.

At one point there was water on Mars, It may have even had wind and a climate. Maybe the Face is a space maker used by Aliens to ID our planet. Like when you go to the Zoo, they have a sign up with the animals picture and info on it.

[Ghost Kat]

People did it. End of story. Saying otherwise is just a failed attempt to try and take away one of man kind's greatest achivements.

I know you know better, It's way to easy to just say people did it and not ask the question of how. Thats like asking why do people get sick and just saying God did it. If no one asks the question we would never have gotten medicine.

My question is how do primative farmers in ancient Egypt move 50 ton stones. Then stack those stones so closely together you can't fit a knife or piece of paper through the cracks?

Maybe my question lends to some new Antigravity science lost to us. Something you never would have looked into since People just did itand thats it.

Just saying people did it and thats it is to simple. Those Pyramids have been standing for 10,000 yrs. We can'y even make a buildings that lasts 200 years without some type of up keep and repair.

I just want to know how they did it. There is no edvidence that the common theory is true. It's thought that they were buldt with in 100 years, The lifetimes of a certain three Pharoahs. That slaves, which later in the telling of the story were Moses's Hebrews, work all day rolling blocks and lifting blocks. Then those pyramids were used as burial places for the kings. All untrue and unproven nonsense.

[spectre]

Saw an interesting hour long program on the Discovery channel the other day and they pretty much laid out how it was built by people and how they evolved from basically a hole in the earth. They know the ruler who built the first Egyptian burial building (one of those flat rectangular buildings). His son built one a little higher (I think 4 tiers), then his son built like 2 or 3. One of those is the pyramid whose angle changes about 2/3s up...basically they realized an error in the base holding the weight. Inside now you can see the stress fractures. In the end, that guys son built the great pyramid of Giza.


The pyramids built by Snefru, his son Khufu and his son Khafre are the last resting place of the Old Kingdom dynasties. Architecturally, pyramids split into two types: the step pyramid and the true pyramid.
The early step pyramids, such as the 3rd dynasty Djoser complex built by the master architect Imhotep at Saqqara, evolved from mastaba tombs. By the early 4th dynasty, they had been smoothed over: the Red Pyramid at Dahshur is the first true pyramid.
They also grew to colossal proportions and evolved into full funerary complexes with mortuary and valley temples, a causeway between the two, and smaller subsidiary pyramids. The largest and best examples are the Pyramids of Giza, built by Khufu in the 4th dynasty.

http://www.yourdiscovery.com/egypt/monuments/pyramids/images/blank.gif http://www.yourdiscovery.com/egypt/monuments/pyramids/images/image_spacer.gif
I think one of the bigger things that prove they were done by people is the progression of the pyramids...

http://www.touregypt.net/construction/steppyramid.jpg

http://www.crystalinks.com/bentpyr.gif


http://www.crystalinks.com/egyptpyrindex.html

^ Lots of info there also showing progression and how they learned from their mistakes (most of the time).

[Ghost Kat]

Of all my random thread this is my favorite, I love the Sphinx & Pyramids for some strange reason.

But let's talk about the progression of the pryamids. Egyptologist and science don't agree on the dating for the three great pyramids. Egyptologist have an certain way things have to be, any scientist refuting that gets banned from studing anywhere near the pyramids. It's their country thats how they roll.

Zahi Hawass is probably the most bias so called scientist/egyptologist ever. I remember him once saying on the history channel that just because they painted themselves black on pictures and scuptures doesn't mean they really were. They may have just liked that color. I can't trust anything he says about the pyramids after that. I mean egypt is in Africa, Seriously Zahi?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-mLPM8DwUY
It's only clip, can't find the whole video

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_M._Schoch

Finally a person thats acredited and respected in his field explains in no nonsense basic terms why the Sphinx is older then Egyptologist say. The type of construction and knowledge need to build the Sphinx is the same as the three great Pyramids. All the other 100's of random pyramids don't come close to the perfection of the Giza Pyramids. Why build those three great ones perfectly then do a piss poor job on ever one of the other ones? I'm sure if they were bult for kings like Egyptologist assume then they would build them just as big and perfect. We forget how we see the great pyramids today is not how they looked when buildt. They had a white lime stone casing. Which means when the sun hit them, they shined like diamonds, hugh mountain sized diamonds.

If the Sphinx is older then recorded history, then odds are the great pyramids are too. The three great pyramids have no markings that say they were buildt by who egyptologist say, no writing that say it, no mummies, nothing. They just assume that since the known egyptians were around at that time, Well of course they must have built it. Science says other wise. Also check out John West, He gives tours to the Shpinx and does lectures with Schoch.

[Ghost Kat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3eQeGLcKsU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AABPXvwevVA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiwanaku

Pyramids and Temples all over the world, Tiwanaku might be the strangest. I have google Earth on my computer, If you look at Tiwanaku it's on top of a mountain in the middle of no where. How did they get those huge blocks up there??