Stephen Jackson, Acie Law to Bobcats for Raja, Radman

[Felton for Prez]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4659552

I'm still digesting this. I'm stunned we'd take on that salary.

[ALong13]

Disgruntled Golden State Warriors forward Stephen Jackson is about to make fresh start with a new team.

The Warriors completed a deal Monday that sends Jackson and guard Acie Law to the Bobcats in exchange for veteran swingmen Raja Bell and Vladimir Radmanovic.

The trade will be announced Monday. The Cleveland Cavaliers had long been considered the favorites to land the Warriors' former captain in the wake of Jackson's trade demand late in the summer, when Jackson announced that he hoped to be dealt to the Cavaliers, New York Knicks or one of the three Texas teams.

But ESPN.com reported earlier this month that Charlotte had quietly registered serious interest in Jackson and could not be dismissed as a threat to acquire him.

Marc Stein is the senior NBA writer for ESPN.com.


-ESPN

Not really liking his contract, but he definitely adds a bit more scoring at SG...

[spectre]

Talent wise we win this in a major way.

Will it work? That's the 1 million dollar question. And here we go taking on more long term salary.

[ALong13]

just posted this as well, hopefully it'll be merged...but its official now

[Fred Williamson]

http://www.planet-erde.de/Members/timo_meyer/vortrag-posges/aufsteigender-atompilz/image_preview

[jdsingar]

Wow this helps the team in a major way. Sad to see Raja go, but it is for the best.

Anyone know the details of Jackson's contract? Regardless of how bad it is, it is better than the sunk cost of having VladRad on the team.

[ALong13]

According to rotoworld Stephen Jackson's contract looks like this..

2009/10: $7.65 million, 2010/11: $8,450,000, 2011/12: $9,260,000, 2012/13: $10,060,000, 2013/14: Free Agent

[Walt Cronkite]

Gut says this is a bad move, but we couldn't really be any worse than we were already. Jackson is probably a more talented player than anyone we'd get from the space freed up when Bell/Radmanovic come off of the books.

What worries me is that GSW fans who I trust the opinion of say SJax will not be content with the situation in Charlotte, which will be problems.

One thing is certain, a short handed Bobcats team is about to get plastered by the Magic tonight.

[Felton for Prez]

One thing is certain, a short handed Bobcats team is about to get plastered by the Magic tonight.

I was just thinking the same thing. Could be REALLY ugly.

[jdsingar]

According to rotoworld Stephen Jackson's contract looks like this..

2009/10: $7.65 million, 2010/11: $8,450,000, 2011/12: $9,260,000, 2012/13: $10,060,000, 2013/14: Free Agent

Well it looks like we win out for the next two years, given that Vlad's cost is about $6 million during that time.

S-Jax is pretty old, and will probably be pretty disgruntled. However, we are basically getting something for nothing. Acie Law is a nice throw in.

[murphman]

We are waaayyyy to overloaded in the backcourt now. Another trade down the road has to be considered.

[polarcat]

On paper, I like the deal b/c we need an injection of offense and SJax has it. Whether or not he brings it and keeps his bipolar mood swings in check is the main negative on this deal. I loved Raja and thought he was a solid leader for this team, but you have to give to get sometimes. Bell is 2 years older and a little more banged up, so we get a more explosive player, though Jackson is 31. I like the Acie Law throw-in a lot though. A former top 10 pick, 24 years old and a big pg for LB. It makes me wonder if the front office has a felton + diop deal up their sleeve to bring in some pf help. I too am curious to see what Jackson's deal is after this season. Vlad's contract was terrible, so I wonder how bad SJax's deal is in comparison. Nice to see the front office being proactive though about this bad start though. Had we made the Diaw/Bell trade earlier last season, we might have seen a potential playoff run.

[Felton for Prez]

Anyone else a little concerned that he may not report? Kinda like the stunt Richard Seymour did when he got traded to the Raiders.

[amour217]

Anyone else a little concerned that he may not report? Kinda like the stunt Richard Seymour did when he got traded to the Raiders.

I don't know if he won't report, but I'm sure he's not gonna be happy coming here considering where he wanted to be traded...at least not at first. He'll give us some scoring from the SG position, which is nice, but we'll have to get used to his matador defense.

The big question is if he'll be disgruntled coming in and if he'll stay disgruntled or he'll have something to prove...hopefully it's the latter and we won't end up with a Marbury on our hands.

[spectre]

Anyone else a little concerned that he may not report? Kinda like the stunt Richard Seymour did when he got traded to the Raiders.

I'd hope to God that we got that straight before we made this deal.

[amour217]

http://www.planet-erde.de/Members/timo_meyer/vortrag-posges/aufsteigender-atompilz/image_preview

I told you taking Sean May to Qdoba was a bad idea

[SirBobcat]

I am very pleased with this deal. I mentioned Acie Law in another deal I tried to construct. He's a LB kind of guy and he will flourish under LB. You want a clutch player? In college, this dude made shot after shot under pressure. As for Jackson, we can't score worth shit and adding him provides a scorer. Raja and Radman will be missed but with Felton or Augustin all but gone, we needed to find a Backup PG in the worst way while needing to add scoring. Good job Bobcats!

[Felton for Prez]

I'd hope to God that we got that straight before we made this deal.

I assume nothing. Just remember how you got that red lollipop icon.

Hopefully MJ called SJax personnally and not Rod Higgins. At least that would get things started on the right foot. I doubt he'd even pick up the phone if it were Higgins.

[amour217]

I assume nothing. Just remember how you got that red lollipop icon.

Hopefully MJ called SJax personnally and not Rod Higgins. At least that would get things started on the right foot. I doubt he'd even pick up the phone if it were Higgins.

Hopefully MJ is even aware the deal is happening and he isn't "too busy"

[Mustachio]

Steal of the century barring any opponents fan throwing liquids in the near future.

keep him under control and we just made ourselves better for sure.

As far as Salaries are concerned: according to ESPN based only on 2010 numbers (someone better at salaries can fine tune it.)

Stephen Jackson: 7.6 Mil
Acie Law : 2.2 Mil
Total incoming: 9.8 Mil

Raja Bell : 5.25 Mil
Vlad Rad : 6.46 Mil
Total Outgoing : 11.7 Mil

almost 2 million extra dollars in the biggest free agency period we've ever seen and a pretty significant talent boost to boot. Loving it so far.

[jdsingar]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/mark_montieth/11/13/jackson.warriors/index.html

Good article on him. Seems like a mixed bag. He did explicitly say he wants to go to a championship contender, in a quote that is quite telling. I don't see this working out too well, but I hope he proves us wrong.

With this move, I now wonder who is the backup PF? Not that Vlad really was one. But now they will either have to play two centers (unlikely) or put Gerald Wallace and Derrick Brown at the 4 spot from time to time.

[jdsingar]

Steal of the century barring any opponents fan throwing liquids in the near future.

keep him under control and we just made ourselves better for sure.

As far as Salaries are concerned: according to ESPN based only on 2010 numbers (someone better at salaries can fine tune it.)

Stephen Jackson: 7.6 Mil
Acie Law : 2.2 Mil
Total incoming: 9.8 Mil

Raja Bell : 5.25 Mil
Vlad Rad : 6.46 Mil
Total Outgoing : 11.7 Mil

almost 2 million extra dollars in the biggest free agency period we've ever seen and a pretty significant talent boost to boot. Loving it so far.

Raja Bell's contract expires at the end of the season, while Jackson's extension kicks in at the end of this season. I believe Acie Law's contract expires this year as well?

That would equate to us having ~$4 million LESS to spend during next year's free agency period.

[Felton for Prez]

This Twitter stuff is great. Re: Tonights game:

RicBucher (http://twitter.com/RicBucher) Update on Jackson-to-Cha trade: He's good w/it. Headed to Orlando and hopes to play in tonight's game.

That would be great. We'll only lose by 30 is he's there.

[TOOT DADDY]

[QUOTE=SirBobcat;142791]I am very pleased with this deal. I mentioned Acie Law in another deal I tried to construct. He's a LB kind of guy and he will flourish under LB. You want a clutch player? In college, this dude made shot after shot under pressure. As for Jackson, we can't score worth shit and adding him provides a scorer. Raja and Radman will be missed but with Felton or Augustin all but gone, we needed to find a Backup PG in the worst way while needing to add scoring. Good job Bobcats![/QUOTEY
You can't be serious with this Acie Law talk. This will be his third team in as many years. His game hasn't translated well to the NBA. He is a horrible shooter in the pros and he is definitely not a point guard. They tried to give him the job in Golden State and he couldn't take it over. We officially have as many point guards as centers. So someone is due to get moved. I say DJ or Raymond to Portland, Phoenix, or the Clippers.

[Ghost Kat]

I am shocked....Shocked I tell you. But Jackson is a good player on the court. He's not the best locker room leader or team mates sometimes but he can play Basketball. I liked Raja, He's a tough guy, But he's not really a offensive threat. Hopefully this is like the trade last year and after a couple games and everyone gets to know each other...again....we can go on another winning streak.


:g:

Jackson is a 6'8 SF, How is this suppose to work out? Who starts and where?

[GoBobs]

really sorry to see raja go, the trade helps us in the short term but long term I don't know. Don't really like S Jacksons contract. I would have liked to see DJ thrown in as well as Curry but I can understand GS probably would not do that.

[SWedd523]

This just made us better for the next two or so years

[CatNation]

Glad we did SOMETHING to address our issues NOW. 2 years from now can be worried about 2 years from now. Jack can D up like Raja and actually put the ball in the basket. I think Iverson still woulda been better and our roster is kinda unbalanced now.

I think we are probably not done dealing.

[Muttley]

This Twitter stuff is great. Re: Tonights game:

RicBucher (http://twitter.com/RicBucher) Update on Jackson-to-Cha trade: He's good w/it. Headed to Orlando and hopes to play in tonight's game.

That would be great. We'll only lose by 30 is he's there.
I sure hope he's okay with it. It's his damn job!

Perhaps this is the injection of crazy that this team needs. This team is often compared, in its lack of an overwhelming superstar, to the LB Pistons. Does that make Cap'n Jack our 'Sheed? I hope so. I hope to see him play tonight. I hope he remembers how to play defense after spending years in Golden State.

However, if he comes in acting like Li'l Miss Pouty-Pants, then he can just go f*** himself.

I miss Raja already (and will continue to do so no matter how well Jackson plays - Raja seemed like a really good dude and he gave a hell of a lot of effort on defense).

[Fred Williamson]

I am shocked....Shocked I tell you. But Jackson is a good player on the court. He's not the best locker room leader or team mates sometimes but he can play Basketball. I liked Raja, He's a tough guy, But he's not really a offensive threat. Hopefully this is like the trade last year and after a couple games and everyone gets to know each other...again....we can go on another winning streak.


:g:

Jackson is a 6'8 SF, How is this suppose to work out? Who starts and where?

He played SG for the Warriors

[SirBobcat]

Not making a comparison but don't shoot him down because he's been a journeyman early in his career. Remember Chauncey Billups went from team to team before becoming a star in Detroit? Again, Law is no Billups but the point is not to shoot a guy down because he's been on a lot of teams. Law is still 24 and LB is an excellent teacher. I think Law will be good so cry me a river for having optimism of what Law could become.

I will be at the game tonight and really hope to see Jackson in action.

[Woodsy23]

just seen this as breaking news on the nba website and tbh im feeling pretty good about it havent been on the forums for a few days so i didnt hear that this was happening so was a bit of a shock :) is he expected to play tonightt thenn? kinda gutted to see raja go but hoefully Jackson will put that right.
should be interesting:g:

[GoBobs]

I am guessing another trade is coming.. something with maybe flip/dj headed out or ac likely gets waived.

[ohara831]

I am guessing another trade is coming.. something with maybe flip/dj headed out or ac likely gets waived.

I'm kinda wondering if this is not LB's way of telling DJ that DJ will be the starter next season and we wont be resigning Ray? Acie being the back up to DJ? Just wondering.

[MattD]

so good. this is so good

[G-Force for MVP]

Personally I love the trade- I hope Jackson gives the bobcats more scoring and that he puts some more fans in the seats

[TyHill]

Acie Law has great potential and I think we should give him a chance next year. Let Felton walk and put DJ/Law as our PGs. It works.

[KT#20]

I'm lovin' it! Everyone knows we need it. I'm guessing it finally hit Bob that no top flight free agent will come to this disorganized mess, so he needs to put a winning product on the court. I only wish he realized this before July 28th.

Hopefully, this move gets us into the playoffs for the next two seasons. IDK what our cap situation will look like any more in 2011, but I'm guessing we'll still be able to add someone through free agency. Realistically, if we make the playoffs this season and next, it'll be first round exits. My hope is that after these next couple of drafts and the summer of 2011, we'll be ready to make a run at the ECF in 2012.

[spectre]

I miss Raja already (and will continue to do so no matter how well Jackson plays - Raja seemed like a really good dude and he gave a hell of a lot of effort on defense).

Right there with you. If only we could have gotten him like 3 years ago.

I doubt SERIOUSLY if anyone is thinking Law is going to usurp anyone or be in our long term plans.

We need a backup PF. I would LOVE to do a DJ for Thompson (SAC) swap.

[KT#20]

Seems like Acie Law is getting Tyson Chandler treatment. You know, the hype machine. Acie Law couldn't beat out Anthony Johnson for minutes in his rookie season (because he was Alexis Ajinca bad) and did absolutely nothing last season [expect suck] yet some are deeming him fully capable of being D.J.'s backup? No, we need to either trade Felton or resign him. If we let him walk, it needs to be because we're getting someone better through free agency. Acie Law at backup PG isn't a viable option right now. That's basically like saying Sean Singletary could be Augustin's backup. BTW, I liked Acie Law in college and have absolutely nothing against the guy. I hope LB gets the most out of him, but let's see what he can do first, 'kay?

[TOOT DADDY]

Not making a comparison but don't shoot him down because he's been a journeyman early in his career. Remember Chauncey Billups went from team to team before becoming a star in Detroit? Again, Law is no Billups but the point is not to shoot a guy down because he's been on a lot of teams. Law is still 24 and LB is an excellent teacher. I think Law will be good so cry me a river for having optimism of what Law could become.

I will be at the game tonight and really hope to see Jackson in action.
Nothing personal it's just Acie Law is not a point guard and he can't shoot. He is also nothing to write home about on defense. Maybe he'll find his shot he had in college because it hasn't worked in the NBA. I Like the trade for Jackson something else has to be in the works with all these C's and PG's on the roster and not one power forward. I hope we don't get plastered tonight as mentioned in an earlier post.

[teej]

We only got Acie to dump VladRad. Which is a win, any day. If he does anything while here, that's just gravy.

As for what actually went down, as long as Jack doesn't bitch, we won in a landslide. Though I will seriously miss Raja and the effort he put out every night he was out there, when he's hurt all the time, and we're getting a major scorer in return, I'll take it every single time. No doubt. Love it.

[dav7z]

I called the S, J ackson trade three weeks ago was starting to think i missed it.

DJ is as good as gone unless it's a way we can trade Felton. I don't think we can though . Dj will be packeged to a team needing a point badly.

I would like to see him packaged with Diop but its not enough value thair. TC might be another option . But we got to be careful contract wize.
Im looking at Henderson , Graham , Filp as the most likely to be added to DJ .
Clippers keep coming to my mind for some reason. Them and the Knicks.

Good move one thet had to be made,

[BigE]

I like this trade, hopefully it works out.

[TOOT DADDY]

I agree with you. Im calling it DJ to the Blazers, Clippers, or Phoenix.

[spectre]

I agree with you. Im calling it DJ to the Blazers, Clippers, or Phoenix.

Maybe if SAC gets Okafor then we could get Jason Thompson for DJ?

Heh, I really like that guy!

[Scottley Crue]

We need a backup PF. I would LOVE to do a DJ for Thompson (SAC) swap.

We, sir, are in agreement on that.

I was rather stunned/surprised/happy with the deal when I first saw it. (In fact, I let out a rather loud "Oh my God" at my desk, which brought a few turned heads. So, I had to explain. Which only seemed less silly to them because they know I'm a big fan.)

Overall, though, I am happy with the deal. I know it ties up money down the line, but man, we needed a scoring SG in the worst way and he's certainly one. I'm quite excited to see where this goes. (As in, where does this leave the PG situation)

[ALong13]

I'm not too worried on his attitude, I think his heat with Nelson has been overblown by the media...I think he's just happy to have a fresh start...and they way we trade, he may not even be here at this time next year...

[spectre]

I'm not too worried on his attitude, I think his heat with Nelson has been overblown by the media...I think he's just happy to have a fresh start...and they way we trade, he may not even be here at this time next year...

In SJax's defense I think Nellie is a certified nut.

CJ Watson wrote once that Nellie doesn't even speak to the players during a lot of timeouts.

[jdsingar]

http://www.queencityhoops.com/SJaxToCLT.php

Queen City Hoops has a good article up, comparing Jackson and Bell. It tempers expectations a bit.

For the second season in a row it looks like the team is being shaken up. I have to wonder if the transition period could be rather difficult.

[ALong13]

I'm at school and on a proxy so can't really see what's been posted unless I go all the way back to the main menu and go through every page, so sorry if this is a double post...

I see this trade as showing of a few possible things to come

1) Felton or DJ get traded

2) We now have a bit more money to sign a FA now (Pops Mensah-Bonsu)

3) Alexis Ajinca sees more time at PF

[Chef]

haven't read all of the previous posts:
my initial thought--another panic trade by the bob's. i have no problem with jackson but we gave up a huge late season chip to get young talent and or draft picks in raja. raja is a huge asset for a deep playoff team and an expiring contract. we should have made them take diop if they insisted on raja. or gotten a pick added to the deal.

[amour217]

I'm at school and on a proxy so can't really see what's been posted unless I go all the way back to the main menu and go through every page, so sorry if this is a double post...

I see this trade as showing of a few possible things to come

1) Felton or DJ get traded

2) We now have a bit more money to sign a FA now (Pops Mensah-Bonsu)

3) Alexis Ajinca sees more time at PF

Just as long as a huge mistake doesn't follow this move...like trading crash or a FA miscommunication, resulting in us signing someone named Moms Mensah-Bonsu

[polarcat]

disagree with the "panic" part of it. nothing personal to you chef, but we waited way too long last year to make a trade that, had it been done earlier on, could've put us in the playoffs. the team prior to today's trade was downright horrible to watch on offense. even if we were 10-0, and winnig 76-70, it would be unentertaining ball. we've always had "chemistry" guys and team players that didn't rock the boat. in year 6, we get a somewhat questionable character guy. much like the artests, sheed's, etc. maybe we need this plus he can drop points in a hurry. we were a sub-.500 team that was painful to watch. i wonder what either felts+diop or dj+diop could land us.... power forward-wise. maybe jordan hill in ny? how about felts+diaw+diop for elton brand? -- wishful thinking?

[Felton for Prez]

All the talk about a PG trade (either DJ or Felts) for a PF confuses me a little. I love Thompson and think he'd be great but do you want him coming off the bench? If not, who sits?

If a trade is coming for a starting PF, one of SJax, Crash or Diaw is likely to be part of it.

[spectre]

All the talk about a PG trade (either DJ or Felts) for a PF confuses me a little. I love Thompson and think he'd be great but do you want him coming off the bench? If not, who sits?

If a trade is coming for a starting PF, one of SJax, Crash or Diaw is likely to be part of it.

You think? We're heavy at the 1/2/5...not so much at the 3/4. And of the 2s we have only SJax is a real starter.

[LiquidWayno]

I like this trade. I LOVE Raja, I talked to him for several minute at opening night and I love his play, but this is a good move for us. We miss you Raja. My points:

1. Radman is gone - no one frustrates me more on the court than Vlad, and moving his contract is worth it.
2. PT for UPS - this benefits Derrick & (I believe) ultimately the Cats.
3. Defense- Raja was our doberman on D, but Graham and Henderson are both great on D in their own right. Considering Raja is older and injured, this trade makes sense, as we have other 2/3s who can defend well. This will take some adjustment, but we will be fine in the long run.
4. SJAX may not be permanent - imagine that it's the trade deadline. This is hypothetical. Cats are clearly out of playoffs, Cavs are struggling as the 3rd best team behind Boston & Orlando in the east - my money says they would finally pull the trigger on a Big Z for SJax & assorted parts trade - would give us cap relief, that's a big expiring contract. Any other number of playoff teams would be interested in his service as well.
5. Acie Law - I am not in love with the guy but he has never played for a coach like Brown, who could help him bring back his "Mr. Clutch" potential.


Raja is a free agent after this year, loves LB, just bought a house here & wanted an extension – any chance he would sign with us on the cheap after this year?

sorry for rant, completely going stream of consciousness.

[Walt Cronkite]

Did Raja really just buy a house? If so, OUCH!!

[spectre]

FWIW. At least he's saying the right things.


"He's happy about the trade, delighted about the trade," Jackson's agent, Mark Stevens, told Sheridan. "This is what he wanted, a new start, and this gives him a chance to compete. Plus, he's a huge fan of that team's president, Michael Jordan."

[Fred Williamson]

Plus, he's a huge fan of that team's president, Michael Jordan."

yeah, just like us. :facepalm:

[bozzy]

FWIW. At least he's saying the right things.

He has a good history with Rod Higgins which I'm sure played a role in him coming here.

[ELEVATION]

What do you guys think about a trade of DJ/another center or guard for Antwan Jamison?!

[TyHill]

What do you guys think about a trade of DJ/another center or guard for Antwan Jamison?!

w/ Diop.. yes please.

[Chef]

disagree with the "panic" part of it. nothing personal to you chef, but we waited way too long last year to make a trade that, had it been done earlier on, could've put us in the playoffs. the team prior to today's trade was downright horrible to watch on offense. even if we were 10-0, and winnig 76-70, it would be unentertaining ball. we've always had "chemistry" guys and team players that didn't rock the boat. in year 6, we get a somewhat questionable character guy. much like the artests, sheed's, etc. maybe we need this plus he can drop points in a hurry. we were a sub-.500 team that was painful to watch. i wonder what either felts+diop or dj+diop could land us.... power forward-wise. maybe jordan hill in ny? how about felts+diaw+diop for elton brand? -- wishful thinking?

the panic part was not with the player but what we gave to get him. i am on record throughout the planet saying i want jax here. i love his heart and grit as well as scoring. he is kinda like a pit bull or rotti, the best friend you can have but you have to train him and keep him on a short leash. the panic part is not pressing harder for gs to take diop if they want raja. raja has value later for more trades not less. i am all for remaking the team. also, if you are worried about a great team playing un-entertaining ball, did you see the 04-07 pistons? there is a reason no one watched those finals. lb plays a boring style. jordan hill is terrible. felton and diaw better get us a hell of a lot better pf than hill.

[Chef]

What do you guys think about a trade of DJ/another center or guard for Antwan Jamison?!

why would the wiz do this?

[dav7z]

I love Jamisons game but hes just starting another long contract. But with DIOP i would do it . Though i don't think the Wizz does any thing like that til the trade deadline . Only then if they can't make the playoffs,


Thoughts on this simple trade . Works out for both teams .

Charlotte out DJ
Knicks out, Hill
We do this to get a young high pick Power Foward. They do this to get a starting point on a rookie contract.
No one eats a bad contract.

Knicks might like Hill to much but DJ would be a better drawing card in the King James stakes

[Felton for Prez]

You think? We're heavy at the 1/2/5...not so much at the 3/4. And of the 2s we have only SJax is a real starter.

By heavy you mean we have some depth. If we get a quality 4 (ie, some one we want to start) Jax, Crash or Diaw has to come off the bench. Jax can stay at 2 so either Crash or Diaw would be the likely candidates. I don't really see either of them coming off the bench for us.

I agree we need help at 4 so either we need a quality backup or we should dump one of our 3 for someone who can get real mins. Do you envision Thompson as a backup? If so, then I agree. If you envision him starting, who sits?

[ebrown]

all I have to say is:

Stephen Jackson, Stephen.

[polarcat]

the panic part was not with the player but what we gave to get him. i am on record throughout the planet saying i want jax here. i love his heart and grit as well as scoring. he is kinda like a pit bull or rotti, the best friend you can have but you have to train him and keep him on a short leash. the panic part is not pressing harder for gs to take diop if they want raja. raja has value later for more trades not less. i am all for remaking the team. also, if you are worried about a great team playing un-entertaining ball, did you see the 04-07 pistons? there is a reason no one watched those finals. lb plays a boring style. jordan hill is terrible. felton and diaw better get us a hell of a lot better pf than hill.

i feel you chef. like i said, no knock on your post. as for the jordan hill deal, that was felts and diop no diaw involved. no way is hill worth all that!

[CatNation]

considering we pressed hard to not include diaw as it is, i'm sure included diop with bell was out of the question

[kickazzz2000]

jordan hill is terrible. felton and diaw better get us a hell of a lot better pf than hill.

slightly off topic, but how stupid are the knicks for passing up on brandon jennings? :D

[rsxnova]

slightly off topic, but how stupid are the knicks for passing up on brandon jennings? :D

They were too sad over Curry to care:D

[spectre]

By heavy you mean we have some depth. If we get a quality 4 (ie, some one we want to start) Jax, Crash or Diaw has to come off the bench. Jax can stay at 2 so either Crash or Diaw would be the likely candidates. I don't really see either of them coming off the bench for us.

I agree we need help at 4 so either we need a quality backup or we should dump one of our 3 for someone who can get real mins. Do you envision Thompson as a backup? If so, then I agree. If you envision him starting, who sits?

IF we could pull Thompson for DJ...which I doubt...I'd be bringing him off the bench initially, but he'd also get some PT in a small Thompson/Boris/Crash/SJax/Felton (or DJ) lineup. I doubt we can pull a legit starter for DJ without taking on even more salary, but I suppose it's possible.

Thing with SJax is, if he actually works out this could make Boris somewhat expendable. SJax is a good distributer in his own right.

[Chef]

They were too sad over Curry to care:D

jennings would be averaging about 75 ppg for d'antoni

[GoBobs]

Jennings had a great night but I will be a lot more impressed if he goes off on a team that plays deffense

[Chef]

he is ai, steph and franchise all over again. do you really want your pg taking 34 shots? he will be a great player but will not lead a team to championships.

[Marvel]

I like this trade i'll probably end up loving it more later on but S-Jax can do everything better than Raja and his perimeter defense isn't too bad either,and i don't want any of this "man S-Jax contract is gonna kill us" crap.He produces more than Radman and Raja combined the only poison here is will S-Jax and LB get along................wait and see.Now the floor will open up for Crash so we should see an improvement in his offense................. i'm loving this trade

[TattoodCats4life]

I'm formulating some possible trade ideas in my head because I know we'll see at least one more move before thanksgiving. Larry isn't waiting to see how we do, he wants to win it.

Overall I like the trade, and I think I'm probably one of just a handful of people with an autographed bell jersey which will soon be hanging in my bobcats room :)

[TattoodCats4life]

A wicked trade :) Might work too

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfrqt28

Maybe ;)

[Chef]

A wicked trade :) Might work too

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfrqt28

Maybe ;)

you will have to spell it out, trade checker links haven't worked all season

[Chrystos]

I just found out about this trade. I'M SO HAPPY i WANT TO CRY. :o

[Black]

you will have to spell it out, trade checker links haven't worked all season

I'm glad I'm not the only one they haven't been working for.

[superb1]

Jax and Diop played for the same High school, most likely played together. but need to dig further.

we should have included Brandon Wright in the trade. it works cap-wise but the warriors would not have gone for it. maybe if a draft pick was added.

basically this trade ends up being our 2006 (#3) and 2007 (#8, #22) draft picks turning into Boris Diaw, Stephen Jackson, Acie Law (07 draft pick #11). Draft wise this trade has worked out.

[teej]

Jax and Diop played for the same High school, most likely played together. but need to dig further.

Nope, Jax was gone by a year before Gana got there. Jax is class of '96 HS, Gana class of '01.

Edit: Ohara, Walt, or someone else with ESPN insider, could you post Hollinger's breakdown? Apparently we didn't have the "best" offer.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

I hope this appeases everyone who wanted AI to come play in Charlotte..we finally get a scorer.

Financial situation aside..this is WAY better than AI ever coming to Charlotte. Jackson can play defense and he is versatile..he fits nicely with the protype player than LB wants in his team.

the financial of it worry me a little ..but i think it is a good call. Bell is damaged good as much as i like him..and Vlad will never be nothing more than a bench player.

[superb1]

Nope, Jax was gone by a year before Gana got there. Jax is class of '96 HS, Gana class of '01.

Edit: Ohara, Walt, or someone else with ESPN insider, could you post Hollinger's breakdown? Apparently we didn't have the "best" offer.
this is for you Teej

Editor's note: This story has been updated with new information.

What a humiliating about-face. Less than a year after the Warriors' dysfunctional management proudly signed team captain Stephen Jackson to a cap-crippling three-year, $28 million extension negotiated behind then-general manager Chris Mullin's back, they gave away the disgruntled veteran for cap relief on Monday by dealing him and Acie Law to Charlotte for Raja Bell and Vladimir Radmanovic. Radmanovic's own contract is bad enough that the Lakers gave him away at the trade deadline a year earlier, speaking volumes about the Warriors' gaffe with Jackson.

What makes this even worse is that it appears Golden State took the second-best offer on the table. Multiple league sources told me the Cavaliers were ready to move ahead with a deal featuring a signed-and-traded Wally Szczerbiak, Delonte West and perhaps some ancillary flotsam in return for Jackson, a deal that would have been visibly superior to the Charlotte deal from both a cap-management and talent perspective.

Let's run through the math. Bell is a productive player -- but at a much lower level than Jackson -- and is on the final year of his contract, making the primary benefit of the deal for Golden State the fact it clears $9.2 million in cap space in 2011. The Warriors are now a potential player in that year's free-agent market, depending on future moves.

But they could have cleared even more cap space with Cleveland's offer. Such a deal would have given the Warriors full, immediate relief from Jackson's deal after the season once they waived West (whose contract isn't guaranteed for next year) and Szczerbiak (whose contract wouldn't be guaranteed beyond this year in a sign-and-trade).

Such an arrangement would also have given the Warriors two major assets in the "confederate money" of non-guaranteed contracts. They had the alternative of pursuing a big fish in a trade with those deals at the trade deadline, especially since acquiring West and Szczerbiak at this early juncture meant both players would have been eligible for inclusion in package deals by February.

Given that none of the participants pack much on-court value to a Warriors team that's headed for the lottery regardless -- especially with the coach mailing in games and blithely surrendering 29-point quarters -- the future ramifications were vastly more important for Golden State. That they didn't do the Cleveland deal makes one wonder if their motivation to stick Jackson on a bad team trumped their duty to the organization to make the best deal available. Though a reliable source swears to me that isn't the case, I have to note that it wouldn't be the first time Don Nelson put one over on somebody; and even at this late date it probably won't be the last.

The Warriors' hand had been forced, of course, by Jackson's trade demand earlier this fall, and there's no certainty that the feisty, no-nonsense Bell will tolerate the Dubs any longer than Jackson did. He's on the last year of his contract and may seek a buyout; alternatively, he could elect to undergo wrist surgery that he forestalled while gutting out games in Charlotte. If neither scenario happens, Bay Area gamblers will immediately start pools on what date he'll issue his first trade demand.

As for Charlotte, this deal is questionable on their part, too. The Bobcats were desperate for offense, so this trade makes sense on that front, but it appears to be a short-sighted maneuver. The deal adds more than $20 million in future salary, salary the team had just unloaded in a previous trade of Emeka Okafor for Tyson Chandler. It takes Charlotte out of the 2011 free-agent market and likely pulls 2012 off the table for them, too. (They'll have $30 million committed to four players, plus a likely extension for D.J. Augustin, plus the contracts of any draft picks and signings between now and then.)

Given that the Bobcats aren't exactly contending for the championship at the moment, the parsimony of owner Robert Johnson and his efforts to sell the team, it's surprising he signed off on the swap. Perhaps he figured a short-term boost to the Bobcats' dwindling attendance was worth the trade-off of long-term salary.

Jackson should be a useful player in Charlotte. He'll start at the 2, which is a stretch for him defensively, but he can initiate offense, shoot 3s and create shots for others -- all areas where Charlotte has struggled. Additionally, he's an iron man who routinely plays 40-plus minutes, which should prove helpful on the depth-starved Bobcats. He'll make a bad team less awful, basically.

One other important note, especially for you fantasy players -- his stats will likely take a savage beating. Golden State played the league's fastest pace last season; Charlotte is playing the league's slowest this season. The roughly 15 percent difference means Jackson's 20-point average last season becomes 17, his 6.5 assists become 5.2, and so on down the line.

That, mind you, presumes he'll continue playing the 39.6 minutes a game he averaged last season. If that declines at all -- and it may, especially given Larry Brown's near-comical conservatism with foul trouble -- then his averages will suffer regardless of how much the Bobcats run their offense through him.

None of that, however, answers our biggest question about this trade: Why is Jackson heading to Charlotte instead of Cleveland?

[teej]

this is for you Teej

+1, thanks.

That is confusing. Unless Nellie thinks Vladi can do a 10-spot every game?

But If Jack averages over 15, I'll be overjoyed.

[TOOT DADDY]

Thanks for the article. The thing that sticks out the most for me is him coming from a fast pace offense to our crawl. Did he play for Brown in Indy? I want to package LB in a trade hell.

[superb1]

maybe we need a little turmoil here (just a little) to get some national attention and respect. We just need to bring the wins.

[ALong13]

another thing I like that Raja didn't have was a little bit of a swag, he can get the team fired up, Raja was that veteran presense, but he wasn't one to get the team psyched, I think S-Jax can do that...

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Stephen-Jackson-is-off-to-Charlotte;_ylt=AruH_Rr5KciLBRgPxQHTmua8vLYF?urn=nb a,202814

Here's another article ripping both GS and CLT for the trade...

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

another thing I like that Raja didn't have was a little bit of a swag, he can get the team fired up, Raja was that veteran presense, but he wasn't one to get the team psyched, I think S-Jax can do that...

im sure Jax will..he's bringing his guns with him..couple of shots in the air will get the entire city riled up!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2615124

[BETCATS]

We need to win this season. Jackson will help us do that. Expiring contracts are nice, but we need results now. Expiring contracts are for 'helping you win one day in the future', we need to win TODAY.

Jackson is a NBA Champion, played for Greg Popovich (he knows how to respond to strict coaches). Jackson loves to be 'the man' and loves to be clutch. We need somebody like that. Jackson is one of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA and is leaving a team that doesnt value defense to one that is all about defense.

Acie Law is a great pickup too. He will be a great backup, and means we can trade one of our 2 starting caliber point guards for the power forward we need to come off the bench for us.

I am extremely happy. Sorry to see Raja go. He was a nice guy. Too bad his best days are behind him, and he cannot be counted on to win basketball games anymore. Jackson is younger and better than Raja and Vlade combined.

[BETCATS]

How many times have we lost games because we couldnt hold on to leads? How many times have all of us said we need a clutch player that can score the ball down the stretch?

I present: Stephen Jackson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpdPZXgQNaY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHSguZbGK0w&feature=fvw

We now also gave Felton another alley-oop target
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E3ilBP5fcw

This trade = such a win....

[BETCATS]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Stephen-Jackson-is-off-to-Charlotte;_ylt=AruH_Rr5KciLBRgPxQHTmua8vLYF?urn=nb a,202814

Here's another article ripping both GS and CLT for the trade...

:D:D:D
1) Does anyone outside of Charlotte/the Bay Area watch either the Bobcats or Warriors? How are they fit to judge, they dont care?

2) Didnt the mainstream media rip us for the Diaw/Bell trade last year? Why is this a suprise they are doing it now? Give it a month and they will come around.

[teej]

:D:D:D
1) Does anyone outside of Charlotte/the Bay Area watch either the Bobcats or Warriors? How are they fit to judge, they dont care?

2) Didnt the mainstream media rip us for the Diaw/Bell trade last year? Why is this a suprise they are doing it now? Give it a month and they will come around.

This. They don't even know who plays on either team I'm sure.

[Marvel]

I don't believe in this we are a slow paced team so S-Jax isn't really as good as Raja bullshit.S-Jax is superior to Raja offensively in half court sets

[ammofan]

CAPTAIN JACK!

Awesome trade....I like this guy alot.

I can take or leave Raja, couldn't care less whether he is here or not....BUT Radmanovic, see ya! Have fun shooting up all the 3's you want in GS! Hey, maybe you will make one or two! lol

[spectre]

So we got SJax because Nellie wanted to stick it to him so badly that he'd take on an extra 7 plus million next year. That's a vindictive old man.

It's going to be interesting to see how SJax handles this.

[BETCATS]

I don't believe in this we are a slow paced team so S-Jax isn't really as good as Raja bullshit.S-Jax is superior to Raja offensively in half court sets
Not to mention in everything else.


A few points:

We are trying to run more. We are using the turnover we create on defense to run on the fast break. Yet, we miss lots of shots under the basket :facepalm: Jackson comes from a team that is all run and gun. No more 'lost in translation' momements when we are on the fast break.
People didnt want Iverson citing the valid reason he is not what he once was. Well neither is Bell. Beside the Atlanta game, Raja has played like crap.
Stephen Jackson was the lone defender on a team that didnt care about defense. He is one of the elite defenders in the NBA. Raja Bell no longer is on the same level due to age and injuries.
Stephen Jackson is a better scorer than Raja. Raja scored 24 points ONE TIME and we were all banging are Bell drums and sitting on the 'I love Raja' High Horse. Jackson is AVERAGING 25 points per game.
Stephen Jackson might not have a high field goal %, but it cant be worse than the way we are shooting right now. Anyone who says "have you seen him play? He misses too many shots". I say: "Have you seen US play as a team? We miss tripple the shots he does."

[marino13882]

Thank god we got rid of Vlad, what a waste. Welcome Captain Jack!

[TheBeagle]

Damn, a bittersweet day for sure. No more Raja equals significant suckage. It'll take a while for me to get over that loss. Still, I'm not so blind in my fanboy love that I don't realize his health has been a question mark during his time here and that his best days are behind him. And then to send him to the trainwreck that is GS? Poor Raj; I hope he goes ahead with the surgery and signs on with a contender next year. Anyway, it was an honor to have him play for my team, and he'll join Smitty and GW on my very short list of favorite players to have suited up for the Cats.

Raja-mourning aside, this looks like a decent, if not very good deal for the team. There's no way we didn't win this trade in the talent department (spectre, is the avatar going to stay?), and even though Jack's contract is hefty, the joy of getting rid of Vlade's, and Jack's productivity in terms of his contract is a good thing. Now, if only we could get a taker for Diop...

I look at Acie Law as this year's Singletary; if he turns out to be more, fabulous; otherwise, no expectations at all about his benefit to the team.

Now, one of the articles posted above listed how Jack's contract would kill us for FA in '11 and possibly '12. My reply is when the hell have we ever been a destination for any FAs. We lowly Cats have to acquire our talent through trades and drafts: plain and simple. If this past off-season didn't make folks realize this (Brandon Bass, Hakim Warrick, others I'm forgetting), I don't know what will.....IMPACT PLAYERS DON'T WILLINGLY COME HERE!!!!! So I think that aspect of the trade is made moot, especially because Jack comes a lot closer to earning his salary (with the understanding that NOBODY in the NBA deserves the obscene money they make....except maybe GW) than Vlade.

All in all, this will be another homerun trade with GSW, but what the hell are we getting with Jack? We've never had a errrrr uhhhhhh "rough around the edges" kinda guy like him and with Larry at the helm, it could get damn ugly (EDIT: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/bobcats/story/1059267.html). On the other hand, I think the current Cats roster (especially the caps GW and Raymond) will accomodate him and make him feel comfortable here, but he is a loose canon, so who the hell knows?

Obviously, this isn't going to be a panacea, but things should be more intersting, and the product on the floor should be a lot more fun to watch, and at this point, that's good enough for me.

[ALong13]

Damn, a bittersweet day for sure. No more Raja equals significant suckage. It'll take a while for me to get over that loss. Still, I'm not so blind in my fanboy love that I don't realize his health has been a question mark during his time here and that his best days are behind him. And then to send him to the trainwreck that is GS? Poor Raj; I hope he goes ahead with the surgery and signs on with a contender next year. Anyway, it was an honor to have him play for my team, and he'll join Smitty and GW on my very short list of favorite players to have suited up for the Cats.

Raja-mourning aside, this looks like a decent, if not very good deal for the team. There's no way we didn't win this trade in the talent department (spectre, is the avatar going to stay?), and even though Jack's contract is hefty, the joy of getting rid of Vlade's, and Jack's productivity in terms of his contract is a good thing. Now, if only we could get a taker for Diop...

I look at Acie Law as this year's Singletary; if he turns out to be more, fabulous; otherwise, no expectations at all about his benefit to the team.

Now, one of the articles posted above listed how Jack's contract would kill us for FA in '11 and possibly '12. My reply is when the hell have we ever been a destination for any FAs. We lowly Cats have to acquire our talent through trades and drafts: plain and simple. If this past off-season didn't make folks realize this (Brandon Bass, Hakim Warrick, others I'm forgetting), I don't know what will.....IMPACT PLAYERS DON'T WILLINGLY COME HERE!!!!! So I think that aspect of the trade is made moot, especially because Jack comes a lot closer to earning his salary (with the understanding that NOBODY in the NBA deserves the obscene money they make....except maybe GW) than Vlade.

All in all, this will be another homerun trade with GSW, but what the hell are we getting with Jack? We've never had a errrrr uhhhhhh "rough around the edges" kinda guy like him and with Larry at the helm, it could get damn ugly. On the other hand, I think the current Cats roster (especially the caps GW and Raymond) will accomodate him and make him feel comfortable here, but he is a loose canon, so who the hell knows?

Obviously, this isn't going to be a panacea, but things should be more intersting, and the product on the floor should be a lot more fun to watch, and at this point, that's good enough for me.


AMEN, none of the bigger-named players we have or really came from FA and I don't see that changing until Charlotte starts winning, I'm not too worried about money IMO, for all we know, S-Jax may be gone this time next year, you never know, but for now, I'm thrilled with this trade

[Raleigh_Cats_Fan]

I like the move....Now let's go get Iverson.

[spectre]

Damn, a bittersweet day for sure. No more Raja equals significant suckage. It'll take a while for me to get over that loss. Still, I'm not so blind in my fanboy love that I don't realize his health has been a question mark during his time here and that his best days are behind him. And then to send him to the trainwreck that is GS? Poor Raj; I hope he goes ahead with the surgery and signs on with a contender next year. Anyway, it was an honor to have him play for my team, and he'll join Smitty and GW on my very short list of favorite players to have suited up for the Cats.

Right there with you.


Raja-mourning aside, this looks like a decent, if not very good deal for the team. There's no way we didn't win this trade in the talent department (spectre, is the avatar going to stay

:p

Absolutely! There's a big risk to this one talent aside. SJax's agent said all the right things, but with it coming out that GSW turned down a better deal to send him to us I can't help but think that's going to stick in his craw. We could end up worse than before, but God I hope not.

Thing with the '11 capspace; as with the Richardson trade with the ability to take back salary you guys know you can get a deal heavily in our favor talent wise. It's not all about FAs. Even with those however...2nd tiers will usually go where the money is.

Either way...the scales are still tilted hard to the left my friend! It's going to take a few more good moves even if this does pan out.

[TOOT DADDY]

I missed the article where Brown said we are trying to run more please direct me to it or post the link. I also think SJack is a hell of a defender and better overall player than Bell is and ever was. We got the better of this deal no doubt. Everybody was complainng about us needing a go to guy well now we have one. Raja sure wasn't the go to guy we so badly need. Good to see him going and Jackson coming.

[millst2]

Woot, I like the trade, we got rid of Vlads contract which was worth a trade. Although we did trade Bell ( atleast I have his Going Green Gameworn Jersey to remember him by), but now the question is.. do we trade DJ or Felts for another PF, and do we now have the opportunity to pick up Iverson? Iverson apparently is off the Grizzlies Books as of today.

A lineup like

TC
Wallace,
Jackson
Iverson
Diaw

Hmm Thats a playoff squad right there.

[TheBeagle]

:p

Absolutely! There's a big risk to this one talent aside. SJax's agent said all the right things, but with it coming out that GSW turned down a better deal to send him to us I can't help but think that's going to stick in his craw. We could end up worse than before, but God I hope not.

Thing with the '11 capspace; as with the Richardson trade with the ability to take back salary you guys know you can get a deal heavily in our favor talent wise. It's not all about FAs. Even with those however...2nd tiers will usually go where the money is.

Either way...the scales are still tilted hard to the left my friend! It's going to take a few more good moves even if this does pan out. LOL! Glad you took it in the spirit it was intended! No, I absolutely agree; it's very questionable whether this turns into disaster or not to begin with, and even if it does, you're right, the right side of the scales needs quite a few more additions before it's even.

[TOOT DADDY]

Not sure how TC is ever going to fit in this LB system that doesn't allow him to use his running and jumping. Diaw is a bench player not a starter in my eyes. He is too soft to me to be logging starter minutes especially at the four and if that is the strating line up. I assume Iverson is running the point. UHHHHHHHHH me not likey so much. Not a fan of Diaw at all sure he can pass the ball for the big guy he suppose to be but I much rather him be able to rebound and defend. Will TC ever fit this system?

[ALong13]

http://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/5778683955

Says we are not interested in Iverson now...had he been gone yesterday we may have tried it, but not now...plus I'd rather have S-Jax anyways

[catsandheels]

well atleast if he acts up we could probably trade him to clevland for a first or 2

[catsandheels]

wats our starting 5 gona look like. is jackson going to play 2 or 3....wat about wallace....

[Walt Cronkite]

Felton/Jackson/Wallace/Diaw/Chandler

[ALong13]

wats our starting 5 gona look like. is jackson going to play 2 or 3....wat about wallace....

Felton, S-Jax, Crash, Diaw, Chandler

Jackson with be our #2 for now on, but still may see time at 3

[dnbman]

I'm a Jackson homer, so I love the trade. I've said in other threads that he's the 2 version of Rasheed Wallace, the kind of player that really helps a team who is focused. Check his wikipedia article: the last month aside, his teammates and coaches have embraced him at every stop. He brings fire, energy, and a tremendous skill set.

We gave up a great player in Bell, but the wheels were about to fall off at any moment. We got value for him before that happened. In addition, we turn Vlad's contract into something usable.

I'm not sure this gets us over the playoff hump, but we'll a much better team. I think it's very possible that Jackson will let Felton know what to do on the court, and Felton will listen because Jackson is the kind of player that sacrifices himself for his teammates.

I'm very happy about the trade.

[catsandheels]

did goldenstate have to waive bells physical???

[ALong13]

they waived physicals in general, no one took them, thats the only reason Captain Jack is playing tonight

[dnbman]

did goldenstate have to waive bells physical???

I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be shocked if they did, effectively using Bell as a salary dump. I think they were more interested in cap space and moving Jackson than anything.

[SWedd523]

With Jack, we have a pretty big lineup. Felton isn't tall, but he's stocky. 6'8 SG, SF, and PF and a 7 footer. We got big.

[catsandheels]

With Jack, we have a pretty big lineup. Felton isn't tall, but he's stocky. 6'8 SG, SF, and PF and a 7 footer. We got big. bench:

ups 6 8
ajinca-7 1
nazr 6 10
diop 7 foot

Yes were huge..

[dnbman]

bench:

ups 6 8
ajinca-7 1
nazr 6 10
diop 7 foot

Yes were huge..

Yeah, but all that height is useless if we don't play like that height.

[davcbow]

All I can say about this trade is far out, to use a old 60's/70's saying.... :cool:

[Demon DeaCat]

It's hard not to like this trade given how hapless we've been offensively this season. Though we're taking on some salary, it's definitely tilted in our favor from a talent standpoint and it kind of makes up for the TC deal where we took it on the chin talent-wise. As far as the salaries go, I think we cleared sufficient cap-space by trading Mek. We still have TC and Nazzy coming off the books in 2 years which will clear almost $20 mil, as well as Felton's $5.5 mil this year if we decide to let him walk.

This trade addresses an immediate need and gives us a chance to be competitive right now. As others have said already, we waited too late to make a move last year and fell just short. Doing this now still gives us a chance to salvage the season. I wasn't in favor of this trade if it meant dealing Diaw, but to get a scorer of Jackson's caliber and only have to give up Raja and Vladi was a deal we couldn't say no to. Like everyone else I have great respect for Raja and he'll be missed, but this had to be done. It may not be enough to get us over the hump, but we're clearly better after this move. Great job by the FO.

[Marvel]

slightly off topic, but how stupid are the knicks for passing up on brandon jennings? :D


I don't know what's more stupid though the Knicks actually taking Hill at 8th or passing on Jennings

[Ghost Kat]

I really like Jackson........

[Toocool]

I'm not sure of what Cpt. Jack brings to the table, but what I have heard:

-SJax can score, he can create shots
-Great teammate
-Great defender and Rebounder

Factual:

-Adds height to our team. If you read my recent blog on defense, we just got taller in SG with 3 extra inches. Inches help and we have quite a big team now.

[CatNation]

flapjack looked alright to me tonight. hopefully a practice gets him more in tune with the guys and we destroy the sixers

[amour217]

Inches help

That's what she said

[Toocool]

That's what she said

No she didn't :biggrin:

The office quote = win

[Marvel]

What about this trade
TC for Camby and Mardy Collins it works on the ESPN trade machine

[gforce33]

how about ai

ai jackson gw diaw chandler
:biggrin:

[Dcarnys]

I might be a bit late but I knew this was a good trade when I saw on ESPN's headline "Bobcats acquire Stephen Jackson" instead of hearing "Warriors acquire Raja Bell."

[BRNC]

I think many of the "older" BCP folks know I have no qualms about voicing my opinion concerning trades...when we initially discussed Jackson (weeks ago) coming here I thought it was a great idea...as time passed I found report after report that indicated he had no desire to play here so I became opposed to a trade for him....I have read as much as I could find before posting my thoughts on the trade so here goes...

I think this trade makes us relevant again...period!

All indications are he is glad to be traded to us so I have to think he (or his agent) talked to Pop and or some other folks who know the score...Jackson is only 31 and too many folk want AI (who is 3 years older) or Rip (who is the same age) so what is the big deal?

Jackson is solid offensively and defensively...he is a good teammate and plays for the "team" to win...I feel like we finally got the better of a deal..

That is my take...:biggrin:

Jackson and Hamilton have deals that run the same length of time...Rip will make 2.5 million more than Jax at the end...I'd rather have Jacksons contract any day...

[catsandheels]

saw on the gs warriors realgm board there saying they have someone saying that we are trading jackson and nazzy to clevland for big z. I highly doubt that cause i think thats a horrible trade and its all just a bunch of bs. I tried posting the link but my computer isnt cooperating with me right now ill try and post it back here later...

[Chef]

i would do it. basically, it would be giving up raja, vlad, nazzy for an expiring.

[Chef]

do you think we could coax them into this if they are desperate

Cleveland Cavaliers

Boris Diaw $9.0M 2 Years
D. Diop $6.0M 3 Years
S. Jackson $7.6M 4 Years
$22.7M


Charlotte Bobcats

S. O'Neal $21.0M 1 Year
J. Williams $736.4K 1 Year
$21.7M

[Marvel]

What about this trade:

Charlotte trades:
DJ Augustin $2,374,680,Gerald Wallace $9,500,000 3 years

Golden State trades:
Monta Ellis $11mil 4 years,Anthony Randolph $1,837,560 2 years

[Ghost Kat]

I alway's liked Stephen Jackson, But I believe'd the hype about him not being a good teammate. From what I saw last night that doesn't seem to be true. Jackson has all the passing skills of Diaw that appeal to so many people on this board. Jackson can drive to the lane and finish like Wallace. Sadly He seems to rebound better then Tyson. I'm not sure how He and LB will get along, I missed the post game by LB.

Clearly on the court Jackson is a upgrade over Raja.

[davcbow]

Last night on LB's post game he seemed to be glowing....:cool:

[Muttley]

Last night on LB's post game he seemed to be glowing....:cool:

Yeah, Larry seemed happy and excited. Like a kid that just left the store with a new toy. He seemed to want to get home right away and have Jackson into a practice session.

[BRNC]

I think these last two years have really been tough on Crash...I'm sure he is getting tired of seeing teammates come and go...but I really hope he hangs tough because this trade actually made us a better team...now we need to start winning to prove that...and I think we will...:paddle:

[dav7z]

I think these last two years have really been tough on Crash...I'm sure he is getting tired of seeing teammates come and go...but I really hope he hangs tough because this trade actually made us a better team...now we need to start winning to prove that...and I think we will...:paddle:


Wallace don't seem to like JAX much . One gets the idea its not going to work. Clevland has a hard on for JAX . Rumor has it JAX and Nazz for big Z. Just at a quick look it sucks for us . But from cap implycations its not that bad,

We rid our self of Vald , Nazz, Bell, Two bad contracts, We end up with one expiring starter . Much beter than Chandler . Thats over a 12 million dollar savings next year and end up with a starting center who is expiring. If we looking to blow the team up and start over this might be a good move.
Though i would like to press the issue
Big Z and Hickson
Jax and Law


Im saying this only if we planing on rebuilding

[Ghost Kat]

Big Z.....No Thank You....Z is old, Slow was never a good defensive player. He has his postives but He wouldn't help us win more games then Jackson.

[GoBobs]

If we are going to do something like that I like Diop, Naz, Flip and Jackson for shaq and JJ

That way we get an expiring contract and we still get a chance to win this year.

I think things will work out better for us though if we keep Jackson. At least give it some time to see if we have anything.

[GoBobs]

ahhh......double post

[Ghost Kat]

If we are going to do something like that I like Diop, Naz, Flip and Jackson for shaq and JJ



We need a big man thats going to be able to play 40 plus minutes all season.....Shaq can't do that anymore.

[davcbow]

We need a big man thats going to be able to play 40 plus minutes all season.....Shaq can't do that anymore.

The only thing Shaq has left is his size...:cool:

[Chef]

and his expiring contract. which is why we do anything with the cavs. we should not be concerned about winning this year. at best we are an 8 seed with no title hopes (with this roster ever). we are not going to get that from the cavs for shaq, no matter how desperate they are. i suggested diaw, jackson and diop for shaq and change. it gives us 22m in salary relief. enough to start over. if we could convince them to do it early enough, we could move shaq again for draft picks/talent.

[polarcat]

the biggest thing this team needs is a playoff run. yes we need to figure out our terribly distributed roster and lb is probably as good as gone within the next 2-3 years. however, this city, this franchise and these fans need a playoff season more than anything. we've been drafting, trading, re-trading, re-shuffling for the past 5 seasons and have had nothing to cheer about except hope, next year, and potential in our young players. we either make our run this year or blow the entire team up....including wallace. he's been here since day 1 and deserves better than what he has received. it's like busting your ass at work carrying your co-workers since day one and going above and beyond, while management doesn't do their part to justify your work. we can't have an in-between gray area, where we play .500 ball and just miss the playoffs by a few games, make trades and further shake up the chemistry and end up with our usual "just out of the top 10" draft position. sjax will help us as long as he plays the 2 primarily and lets gwall stay at the 3. if wallace spends too much time at the 4, he's going to be miserable, and justifiably so.

[davcbow]

and his expiring contract. which is why we do anything with the cavs. we should not be concerned about winning this year. at best we are an 8 seed with no title hopes (with this roster ever). we are not going to get that from the cavs for shaq, no matter how desperate they are. i suggested diaw, jackson and diop for shaq and change. it gives us 22m in salary relief. enough to start over. if we could convince them to do it early enough, we could move shaq again for draft picks/talent.

Oh please I want Shaq here as much as I want a hole in the head...:cool:

[murphman]

So how how about a three way trade with NO and the Cavs.

Cavs get Jackson, AA and two 2nd round picks
NO gets DJ and a few expiring contracts
Char. gets Chris Paul


(yeah, I know but one can dream)

[dav7z]

the biggest thing this team needs is a playoff run. yes we need to figure out our terribly distributed roster and lb is probably as good as gone within the next 2-3 years. however, this city, this franchise and these fans need a playoff season more than anything. we've been drafting, trading, re-trading, re-shuffling for the past 5 seasons and have had nothing to cheer about except hope, next year, and potential in our young players. we either make our run this year or blow the entire team up....including wallace. he's been here since day 1 and deserves better than what he has received. it's like busting your ass at work carrying your co-workers since day one and going above and beyond, while management doesn't do their part to justify your work. we can't have an in-between gray area, where we play .500 ball and just miss the playoffs by a few games, make trades and further shake up the chemistry and end up with our usual "just out of the top 10" draft position. sjax will help us as long as he plays the 2 primarily and lets gwall stay at the 3. if wallace spends too much time at the 4, he's going to be miserable, and justifiably so.


Good post I agree about this team is hurting to go to the playoffs now. People are ready for that star , ready for post season , Ready to scream and yell like they did for the Hornets, Face it so far the product has sucked.

If the plans are to keep JAX. Use our over abundance of guards to get a servicable p/f and try and make a run im all for it.

If this team is just trying to rid itself of contracts Big Z is not a bad option though i still would like to add Hickson some way as a piece to build with.

Diop i don't think works in the trade machine . But i can't see any one taking on Diop for expirings. A packege of him and either DJ or Felton might rid us of him.

I don't see Shaq being traded but if thats who Clevland wanted to unload . Thats fine to more money off the books.
One has to look at this as Blowing up the team. Of Corse Wallace , Diaw, Felton, DJ, Would all be traded to get picks , Shead salery , and pick up young pieces to build around .
No one likes loseing thair player but this could be a start to rebuilding. Though im hoping its a trade to get to the playoffs.

[Chef]

he would only be here for 5 months.

[Chef]

Oh please I want Shaq here as much as I want a hole in the head...:cool:

he would only be here for 5 months then we would be 22m richer.

[Demon DeaCat]

The problem with the "blow up the team" approach is that I don't think we'd end up any better than we are right now. Even if we had the cap space, we wouldn't sign a top tier FA. Those guys are either going to contenders or staying put. We could probably get a second tier FA, who is a good but not great player. Those guys will chase the money so if we had it, we could probably land one of them, but any of those guys would likely be the caliber of Boris or GW. So at best, after the reconstruction, we would have just swapped like parts and end up the same team, just with different players. For where the franchise is right now, I have to agree with MJ that trading our way into respectability is the way to go. We're almost there with this last trade.

[Chef]

how about this

Charlotte In:
Boozer 1 yr 12 mil
AK 2 yr 16.4 mil
Utah via NYK draft pick (lottery)

Utah In:
Crash
Boris
Diop
2 2nd rounders

doubt they go for the lotto pick though, it could be worth a chance for them to get them a serious shot at a title run
pg: deron wil
sg: brewer
sf: wallace
pf: milsap/boris
c: mehmet/diop

if they don't want that:

Charlotte In:
Boozer
AK
Maynor
Utah's first (non-lottery)

Utah In:
Boris
Crash
Diop
DJ

[Walt Cronkite]

I had been proposing Wallace + Diop or Mohammed for Kirilenko, but AK AND Boozer for Wallace and Diaw is awesome. I would definitely do that trade and I think Utah gives it some serious consideration too.

Wallace and Kirilenko have very similar impacts on games and Gerald has a longer, but more reasonable contract. Boozer is just what this team needs. An offensive post presence capable of taking over a game and drawing a double team. I would miss what Diaw brings, but there is a lot of overlap with Jackson now around that I don't think we'd be worse off.

[Chef]

the only problem is that we would be taking boozer as 1 year rental and cap space unless we showed serious improvement and could move chandler or bob-oh wouldn't mind the luxury cap. i'm pretty sure we couldn't sign him next year. i would be stoked for the ak, booze, maynard combo. i think maynard is going to be a really good pg and will not see too much time in utah plus gives us the luxury of not having to resign ray (smacking my forehead that we didn't move him Feb)

[Walt Cronkite]

Boozer wouldn't necessarily be a one year rental, though I don't think it would be the end of the world if he was. If Chandler/Boozer/Kirilenko/Jackson/PG can't lead this team to a playoff birth, then we have a nice out a season later when AK, Chandler and in your scenario, Mohammed expire, leaving salary committed to Jackson and the youngsters.

If we did resign Boozer I think his deal could be backloaded so we stay under the lux tax.

[Toocool]

I wouldn't touch AK with a twenty foot sterilized pole.

[Walt Cronkite]

...because?

[dnbman]

...because?

Possibly because his numbers aren't as gaudy as they were a few seasons ago and he had that meltdown season a couple of years ago.

I think you're right though: he and Wallace probably have about the same impact on a game. I love the idea that we'd either make the playoffs this year or be in total rebuild mode in two. At this point, that's our ideal scenario. We can't continue to swim in mediocrity like we're doing.

[Ghost Kat]

"While Jackson was with Indiana In 2006, there was an altercation outside an Indianapolis strip club, when he was punched and hit by a car but not hurt seriously. Jackson then fired a gun into the air. That led to a seven-game NBA suspension to start the 2007-08 season."

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/11/20/stephen-jackson-winning-wasnt-a-priority-for-golden-state/


Capt. Jack has some thug in him....Good or Bad for the team/community?

[dnbman]

"While Jackson was with Indiana In 2006, there was an altercation outside an Indianapolis strip club, when he was punched and hit by a car but not hurt seriously. Jackson then fired a gun into the air. That led to a seven-game NBA suspension to start the 2007-08 season."

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/11/20/stephen-jackson-winning-wasnt-a-priority-for-golden-state/


Capt. Jack has some thug in him....Good or Bad for the team/community?

I think his "thug" stature has been overstated. Being at a strip club would place him safely with the vast majority of NBA players. A lot of these guys know they're targets, so they bring guns with them. I don't think either going to strip clubs or carrying weapons is a smart thing to do. However, if this was a redneck at a country juke joint, he'd be a poster boy for the NRA: "Guns save lives." Since he's black and it was at a strip club, he's a thug.

[SWedd523]

I think his "thug" stature has been overstated. Being at a strip club would place him safely with the vast majority of NBA players. A lot of these guys know they're targets, so they bring guns with them. I don't think either going to strip clubs or carrying weapons is a smart thing to do. However, if this was a redneck at a country juke joint, he'd be a poster boy for the NRA: "Guns save lives." Since he's black and it was at a strip club, he's a thug.
The simple fact that dude was punched AND hit by a car and WAS NOT SERIOUSLY INJURED is enough for me to like the guy.

[davcbow]

The simple fact that dude was punched AND hit by a car and WAS NOT SERIOUSLY INJURED is enough for me to like the guy.


I agree....:cool: