Trade Idea

[spankymoore7]

I saw Sacramento was looking to move Kenny Thomas so I thought of this 3 team trade

Charlotte trades Gerald Wallace, Gana Diop
NY trades Eddy Curry, Jared Jeffries
Sacramento trades Kenny Thomas

Charlotte gets Eddy Curry, Jared Jeffries
NY gets Kenny Thomas, Gana Diop
Sacramento gets Gerald Wallace

Why it makes sense for Sacramento
They get a great player in Wallace. A lineup of Tyreke Evans, Kevin Martin, Wallace, Thompson, and Hawes could be really good. Plus, Wallaces contract is up in 3 years, right when they will need to resign Thompson and Evans so really no long term cap issues

Why it makes sense for NY
They wont like Giop at 6-7 mil for 2 more years, but Curry will probably take his option, and losing him in this trade will actually save them 10 mil for this summer, which is what they need to attract max free agents.

Why it makes sense for Charlotte
They lose Diops contract, giving us a ton of money in expiring contracts to deal this summer. Can start Murray, and move Jax to the 3. Frees up more minutes for Henderson, which he needs. Hate to lose Wallace, but helps us in the long term. Plus, Jeffries could actually give us some minutes at the 4, which we need badly

Lineup
PG: Felton, DJ, Law
SG: Murray, Henderson
SF: Jax, Graham, Brown
PF: Diaw, Jeffries
C: Chandler, Mohammad, Curry, Ajincia

PS-Moving Wallace and putting Jax at the 3 might also open up a spot for a certain former 76er guard that Brown has had dealings with...


Thoughts?

[spectre]

You're kidding right? :cool:

[Chef]

is your real name Isaiah Thomas?

[GoBobs]

No way we give up wallace. If we were looking for cap room right now we would not have taken on Jacksons deal.

[spankymoore7]

No, just trying to work with our cap situation

Cant sign AI with Jax at the 2, he wont be a back up. AI was never a 1, at at this age really shouldnt be bringing the ball up. Could put AI at the 2 and move Jax to the 3. Wallace is a good player, but he isnt a go to guy. We need a go to guy to make noise in the playoffs.

Current Starting Lineup
PG: Felton
SG: Jackson
SF: Wallace
PF: Diaw
C: Chandler

Potential with Trade and AI
PG: Felton
SG: AI
SF: Jackson
PF: Diaw
C: Chandler

We lose a little for this year, but could package Curry's and Jefferies' expiring contracts this summer for a nice wing player. Cap is going down and only asset we can get is expiring contrats. Crazy how that is all the rage now isnt it?

[BRNC]

I think (and hope) that we've made our one and only deal...Jackson works and we make the playoffs or not...but trying to bring in a bunch of different players to fit in is not going to work...this trade (Jackson) makes us relevant this year or at the end of the year we all have to face the fact that we simply have a bad team...

[spectre]

With Boris & SJax in the lineup I think we could get away with AI at the PG spot. I don't think we're interested tho.

[BRNC]

I would still have no interest in AI spectre...I think with the Jackson trade alone (barring a serious injury to a starter) makes us relevant as a team again...I'll eat my words if I'm wrong but I think I'm right about this...

[spectre]

I would still have no interest in AI spectre...I think with the Jackson trade alone (barring a serious injury to a starter) makes us relevant as a team again...I'll eat my words if I'm wrong but I think I'm right about this...

Oh I agree. Just addressing that one point.

We're still loaded at the 1/2 and we still need a backup PF though. Crash at the 4 won't cut it forever.

[dav7z]

Right now we set with Wallace , JAX, Diaw, All three of thease guys can just switch on picks.. Felton , Flip, Law , Can hold down the point position easy


Center position and back up Power foward positions is our only areas to inprove.

Im all for seeing what we got unless some one comes up with somthing.

TC has had 10 games now and plain out sucks . He makes Mek look like a ALLSTAR.
If im only getting 2 ppg and 5 boards from him its time to beanch his ass til he gets better or leaves the team.
Diop is no better than TC whitch really sucks.

Nazz is great coming off the beanch but i don't think has starters leggs. Or can log those mins any more.

We could and should try Lexy . In a line up of experianced players Lexy couldn't be a drop off from whats starting now. I know for sure he has better hands and a better shot than TC or Diop. Hes longer than them too. He has more size than TC and more speed than Diop.Yes he will make mistakes . But the other two can't even catch the ball . Im on the wagon of give the kid solid mins. See what he can do . He can't hurt.


DJ , Graham, Lexy, Hendo , Brown . are our best trade pieces left to get a decent big . But i have no idea who. or what.

[Toocool]

I don't see this happening at all.
Jared Jeffries and Eddy Curry will just pump us more up mainly at 5 than 4. We need a strong backup 4, not more benchwarming 5's. Not mention, I don't think the Bobcats are looking to cut our salaries.

[polarcat]

I'd almost rather have sean may back then Curry and Jeffries. And on top of that we lose our best player? No thank you. I do hope we pull off another trade to get a solid 4. I'm guessing either felts or dj + diop + filler to land a decent back-up banger/post threat at the 4. i wonder if we could pry away jordan hill from the nyk or someone in the karl landry mold. actually, i guess neither are real "physical" pf's but i guess talented versus garbage bench warmer would be preferred.

[dav7z]

I'd almost rather have sean may back then Curry and Jeffries. And on top of that we lose our best player? No thank you. I do hope we pull off another trade to get a solid 4. I'm guessing either felts or dj + diop + filler to land a decent back-up banger/post threat at the 4. i wonder if we could pry away jordan hill from the nyk or someone in the karl landry mold. actually, i guess neither are real "physical" pf's but i guess talented versus garbage bench warmer would be preferred.

I posted yesterday Hill for DJ , Most didn't like it and said Hill sucks . Hills numbers for a rookie isn't bad. I think the Knicks would consider it , DJ could be thair starter and might help get James

Hickson is another one thet might fit for DJ . Im not sure the Cavs would have any instrest thair

[Chef]

any stats from the knicks are inflated by d'antoni's system

[polarcat]

i don't mind hill at all. i personally would like a post up, athletic 4 that can drop points, but there aren't too many out there that can be had. nyk want a pg, so i feel we could be good partners. both were drafted in similar spots, 1 year apart. hill isn't a beast, but he seems to be in that anthony randolph-type that we were interested in acquiring. as a state fan, i would love to have hickson too. either one would make me happy and hickson seems to be more physical and tough down on the block. let's make it happen! ;)

[Marvel]

is your real name Chris Wallace?


Better.....

[Marvel]

any stats from the knicks are inflated by d'antoni's system


I'm pretty sure Amour can put up 15ppg,5apg and 3rpg in DÁntoni's system:biggrin:

[teej]

That's why it's called D'Inflation

And if we did Hill for DJ, I might just go insane.

[rsxnova]

We should double dip with GS and trade DJ for Ellis.

[teej]

We should double dip with GS and trade DJ for Ellis.

Cap? Ellis is like 9 mil, right?

[rsxnova]

Cap? Ellis is like 9 mil, right?

It workerd when i added Nazzy. Both teams went -1 wins.

[teej]

It workerd when i added Nazzy. Both teams went -1 wins.

I'd much rather do Gana. Nazzy is our best center right now.

[rsxnova]

The trade fails with Diop:mad:

[teej]

The trade fails with Diop:mad:

There's some way to do it.

[ohara831]

I'd much rather do Gana. Nazzy is our best center right now.

It's true. And so sad. We had him, and wasted money and cap space on Diop and then the TC trade. That will be one of the all time screw ups by the FO unless we somehow get lucky and TC opts out at the end of this season. But I dont see it happening as he will not generate more than 1/2 of his contract than if he stays with us. God, what a waste he is for us.

[Scottley Crue]

There's some way to do it.
Didn't we get a trade exemption from the Jackson deal? Would that be enough to include Gana?

[ohara831]

I feel for Crash. You can see he is frustrated over this team and FO decisions. At this stage, I would strongly consider pairing up Crash and Diop and see if we can deal with Cleveland. Acquire JJ Hickson and Big Z and Cleveland's 1st round pick.

This would be good for Crash as he can run with King James and hopefully have a shot at a ring. And we get Cleveland's pick and also Big Z is an expiring so his $11 mil coming off will be helpful for us.

[teej]

I feel for Crash. You can see he is frustrated over this team and FO decisions. At this stage, I would strongly consider pairing up Crash and Diop and see if we can deal with Cleveland. Acquire JJ Hickson and Big Z and Cleveland's 1st round pick.

This would be good for Crash as he can run with King James and hopefully have a shot at a ring. And we get Cleveland's pick and also Big Z is an expiring so his $11 mil coming off will be helpful for us.

Why? We're making a playoff attempt, and Crash wouldn't fit in well with LeBron I don't think. We don't need to rebuild yet, we've played well our last two games with Jack, Crash is just whining.

[nfcchamp2004]

I feel for Crash. You can see he is frustrated over this team and FO decisions. At this stage, I would strongly consider pairing up Crash and Diop and see if we can deal with Cleveland. Acquire JJ Hickson and Big Z and Cleveland's 1st round pick.

This would be good for Crash as he can run with King James and hopefully have a shot at a ring. And we get Cleveland's pick and also Big Z is an expiring so his $11 mil coming off will be helpful for us.

How about once were eliminated from playoff contention trading Jackson and Diop for Wally Szerbiak to come out of retirement Big Z. then we buyout Z so he can resign with CLE. Then we can tank and play the young guys like DJ, Hendo, Lexy and UPS. And i would consider trading Wallace too if he can help us get rid of Nazr or Diop

[Walt Cronkite]

Bringing in Wally World similarly to the KVH trade would be an excellent way to dump some long term salary if things aren't looking better by ASW.

[ohara831]

I just think that if we send off Crash and Diop, and at the end of this season Big Z's contract is off the books, then if we only added JJ's contract, we would be freeing up about $25 mil. And that cant be bad. Money talks. Someone would sign with us.

[spectre]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2009/11/on-jordan-jackson-and-cap-space.html


This is consistent with Michael Jordan's strategy since he started shaping the Bobcats' roster. Jordan doesn't give a lot of interviews, but when he does speak he's pretty candid: He's said repeatedly that trading for existing contracts is a more reliable way to upgrade talent than hoarding cap space to pursue big-name free agents.

What you're advocating is against this team's philosophy and especially with the coach that we have.

I just want to know what they're going to do about getting us a PG and a PF. We're cap strapped so now we're limited to the full MLE (while also staying under a decreasing LT) and the pieces we can move look like crap.

We're also not going to tank...so even if we get to keep our pick odds are it'll have no significant impact.

[ohara831]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2009/11/on-jordan-jackson-and-cap-space.html


What you're advocating is against this team's philosophy and especially with the coach that we have.

I just want to know what they're going to do about getting us a PG and a PF. We're cap strapped so now we're limited to the full MLE (while also staying under a decreasing LT) and the pieces we can move look like crap.

We're also not going to tank...so even if we get to keep our pick odds are it'll have no significant impact.

Good quote. Now what I have to say is this: What has the "team philosophy done for us?" It is MJ's traditional MO in building this team? And how has that worked out for us so far? I'll tell you - like garbage. That is why the entire philosophy must change. I dont disagree that doing what I advocate is something which we would normally not do. But it is worth trying as the way MJ has done things to date has, well, pretty much stunk up the joint. And fans are not coming to the games. And the team loses money. And the team loses games. It is an endless cycle of misery until they do something to change the entire thing.

[spectre]

You're talking about one of the most stubborn groups in the NBA. So long as MJ is in charge I doubt if we're going to see a change in their approach.

"It is what it is".

I've been saying that a LOT lately.

[BRNC]

Well...I was never on the (ILBIT) bandwagon...only a couple of us here opposed the hire...but here we are...last night UPS should have been left in and Ray and Diaw left out....crappy rotation and game coach...horrid trades unless he has no say in them...team getting older and more unsettled...ever heard this story before? But even with all this going on we are a better team now than we were before Jax got here...so calm down...maybe Law will save us at PG...

[ohara831]

You're talking about one of the most stubborn groups in the NBA. So long as MJ is in charge I doubt if we're going to see a change in their approach.

"It is what it is".

I've been saying that a LOT lately.


Amen, brother. It is what it is. You are speaking TRUTH.

[dav7z]

I have noticed in the past four months, MJs back endorcing shues, ,insurance , Haynes, And one or two other things. Oh a Visa card. To me he looks to be raising cash .
Could or would he strip this team to get a cheaper price. A loseing organization woulld have less value.

Felton and DJ looked better last year so did Wallace scoring. Both of thease points could not have regrested that much . Its no way , Neither is old both knows the game better. Our point problem is coming from confidence.


Just my openion the whole damn team is sceard to move. Or to even take a piss. Last night when we run in the third , We cut the gap quick. Felton didn't have but two good shots. Ever other shot the clock was on his back. I actually saw DJ look at the clock be for took on of the threes he made. Boris is useless taking a shot with the clock on his back.
Wallace doesn't create so he defers to Felton. Jax did create but we can't play 1 on five.

This team is playing sceard , tight , playing not to lose, I feel the damn pressure and im not even playing.

Whats with Brown and his fucked up lineups , If he has no confidence in Lexy at all . Brown should trade his ass and put Diop in his top 12, Damn Brown wanted DIOP, Lexy, Radman , Now he is sceard to give them burn whats up with that. Boris isn't a fricking center Wallace isn't a Power foward, DJ OR Felton isn't a fricking shooting guard.

If we give thease guys a consistant role and let them play the game with out getting thair asses chewed . Thease guys might preform.

So im saying play Law , Lexy, Hendo, ,Ups , It can't be no worse. Another thing look at the mins Wallace is loging , Felton , Jax , Its no way thease guys can go all year at this rate . They being run like dogs in the fricken ground.


Put the blame where ever you want too. I don't know where to put it . But i know what im seeing im not likeing.

[DCW]

hows bout DJ White from the Thunder he's still on his rookie deal almost similar to Hickson doesnt play much beacuse of J Green.

[Walt Cronkite]

This guy? http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Phenomenal-Swag-D-J-White-s-rookie-card?urn=nba,162941

Done.

[DCW]

ya or S Williams from the nets

[dav7z]

What do you see as fair value for thease guys??

Law works for S Williams
Law don't for White '

[MJ's Caddy]

I think MJ is right in that its easier to build through trades then signing free agents the only problem is we have no one on the team with serious trade value. I doubt we will add anyone through the draft since the front office seems to have the anti-midas touch in that everything they touch turns to crap.

[mrtarheel]

What about Kris Humphries from the Mavs. He started out this season looking good but know he isn't getting that much burn considering that Gooden is darn near the man. Can you believe he wanted to come to the Cats and we didn't take him. Playing center and power forward.

[ohara831]

Off subject, but it is nice to see Dudley getting some PT in Phoenix. Avg 22 minutes and scoring 9.1 with 4.1 reb. Way to go Dudley! We miss you here! Likely the best player we have drafted along with Okafor. And LB gives him minimal burn, and now he is thriving.

[spectre]

How about this one? Inspired by a WAS mod on RGM:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yf5cl8e

In case the link doesn't work:

Crash/DJ/Ajinca

for

Butler/Blatche/Crittenden

This would leave us with:

Felton/Crit/Law
Jax/Flip/Hendo
Butler/UPS/Hulk JR.
Boris/Blatche
TC/Nazr/Gana

Supposedly MJ was hot for Crittenden. He is out with a foot injury but I think less than a month.

On a side note...according to ESPN's trade machine we picked up a 3 million trade exception in the GSW trade. We must have don it in two parts somehow.

[Felton for Prez]

work:

Crash/DJ/Ajinca

for

Butler/Blatche/Crittenden



I'm down with that. I love Butler and as dumb as Blatche may be, he can be a beast. I'd miss Crash but it would be nice to have someone at SF that can shoot. Crittenden is at least a big PG that LB would love.

[ohara831]

How about this one? Inspired by a WAS mod on RGM:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yf5cl8e

In case the link doesn't work:

Crash/DJ/Ajinca

for

Butler/Blatche/Crittenden

This would leave us with:

Felton/Crit/Law
Jax/Flip/Hendo
Butler/UPS/Hulk JR.
Boris/Blatche
TC/Nazr/Gana

Supposedly MJ was hot for Crittenden. He is out with a foot injury but I think less than a month.

On a side note...according to ESPN's trade machine we picked up a 3 million trade exception in the GSW trade. We must have don it in two parts somehow.


Count me in on this one.

[dav7z]

How about this one? Inspired by a WAS mod on RGM:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yf5cl8e

In case the link doesn't work:

Crash/DJ/Ajinca

for

Butler/Blatche/Crittenden

This would leave us with:

Felton/Crit/Law
Jax/Flip/Hendo
Butler/UPS/Hulk JR.
Boris/Blatche
TC/Nazr/Gana

Supposedly MJ was hot for Crittenden. He is out with a foot injury but I think less than a month.

On a side note...according to ESPN's trade machine we picked up a 3 million trade exception in the GSW trade. We must have don it in two parts somehow.

I would jump on it too so i don't expect to see any thing from it.


I ready for us to just go ahead and sign AI . At least he will sell jerseys.

Still do the trade , Then trade Law for S Williams

AI,Felton , Crit
JAX, Flip, Hendo
Butler , UPS , Hulk jr.
Boris,Blatche,S Williams
TC ,Nazr , Gana

[Weezy21]

i too LOVE butler, but the only problem with this trade is that felton an crittenton are both free agents after this year...this might mean we would sign felton to a long term deal which i feel would be HORRIFIC! an the only free agent pg's worth a darn would be duhon, alston, blake...none to appealing...alston isnt bad, just gettin old

[dav7z]

i too LOVE butler, but the only problem with this trade is that felton an crittenton are both free agents after this year...this might mean we would sign felton to a long term deal which i feel would be HORRIFIC! an the only free agent pg's worth a darn would be duhon, alston, blake...none to appealing...alston isnt bad, just gettin old

That trade would work without Lexy and Crittenton

[spectre]

i too LOVE butler, but the only problem with this trade is that felton an crittenton are both free agents after this year...this might mean we would sign felton to a long term deal which i feel would be HORRIFIC! an the only free agent pg's worth a darn would be duhon, alston, blake...none to appealing...alston isnt bad, just gettin old

We'd have Bird Rights on both I think.

I don't see Crit nor any of our existing PGs becoming a bonafide starter...so somehow we need to try and think outside the box. Thing is there's only so many ways we can go.

BTW...the WAS mod came back and said Blatche is untouchable.

FWIW.