Acie Law

[davcbow]

Could he boot one of our points? and if so who getting traded?

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/story/1061836.html

I mean who needs 4 point guards?
Oh my! :cool:

[spectre]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=14378



Acie Law Not In The Plans: Acie Law was a salary cap toss in the deal and he knows it. Law revealed that he was not happy to have been moved as he was getting minutes in Golden State something he will not get in Charlotte who has a solid three guard rotation already.

The early word is that Law could be re-traded or bought out in the coming days.
Law said he received a phone call from Warriors coach Don Nelson expressing remorse that Law had to be included in the deal. Law said that things in Golden State were actually pretty good for him and he'd welcome a return.

Law said he had to be a professional about this and come in and work hard to earn a spot, but he may not be in Charlotte long enough for it to matter.


On a side note in that same article:


Raja Could Have Surgery: Raja Bell who was sent to Golden State will be missed in Charlotte. Several Charlotte players commented how devastating it was to lose their "heart and soul on defense." Bell has been playing on a badly injured wrist and has made it clear that he may opt for surgery that could shelve him for a large chunk of the season. Bell is in the final year of his contract and was basically a salary dump for the Warriors who may not use Bell much in their system, hence his decision to reconsider surgery.

Wallace Not Thrilled: For months Bobcats' guard/ forward Gerald Wallace has been trying to get out of playing the Power Forward spot, and this deal as Wallace put it "almost insures" he'll finish the season as the four man for Charlotte.

Wallace was noticeably apprehensive of Stephen Jackson being added to the team, speaking tentatively of his new teammate and openly commenting that Jackson would have to put in the extra work to learn the system.

Wallace rationalized the situation saying that the team "had failed" Raja Bell and Vladimir Radmanovic, saying had the team played to their potential those guys would still be there. Wallace had just 5 shots last night in Orlando; his season average is 11 shots per game.

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Acie Law is too good to give up for nothing. I hope we can do something with him.

If we get a solid PF...I think we'll be good to go

[dav7z]

Wallace deesn't seem happy with this. He says hes going to be playing the four again. If thats the case it must be ., Felton , Flip , Jax , Wallace , Diaw , , One small starting five.

[Demon DeaCat]

I just took that to mean Wallace would be getting some minutes at the 4, not that he would necessarily start there. He's basically our back-up PF now that Vladi is gone so he'll definitely have to play there some, but I don't see how we could play Boris at the 5 on a regular basis.

[GoBobs]

Jackson is capable of defending the 2,3 or 4 and could easily play the 4. Jackson is a great on ball defender while wallace is a great help defender. I think they will fit together well. This trade makes the team better, even if we could have turned it around and made the playoffs before we are that much better now.

As for Law I hope we trade him. Maybe Diop, Flip, Law, DJ for Monta Ellis

[Chef]

i think we are going to repackage jax or trade wallace. there is not room for both. they are essentially the same player

[Demon DeaCat]

Jackson is capable of defending the 2,3 or 4 and could easily play the 4. Jackson is a great on ball defender while wallace is a great help defender. I think they will fit together well. This trade makes the team better, even if we could have turned it around and made the playoffs before we are that much better now.

As for Law I hope we trade him. Maybe Diop, Flip, Law, DJ for Monta Ellis

It certainly does sound like Ellis could be next one out the door. I'm not sure that trading him for two more small guards is going to solve their issues, but I'd certianly do that if they'd go for it. I doubt they would, but then again, this is GS we're talking about. They had a great stockpile of talent a year ago. Had they made the right moves they could have turned that into a really good team, but instead they've totally wasted it. They gave Crawford and Bellinini away for nothing, and will have essentially done the same with Jackson if Raja opts for surgery. As long as GS is in the league, there will always be at least one franchise that's more in shambles than we are.

[ohara831]

I would be happy to give Law a shot at PG time. If he shows something, then I could easily see DJ or Ray (with his consent) being moved in a larger deal. Honestly, I could not really care if it was Ray or DJ who was moved at this point. DJ has room to improve and is only in year 2, but his lack of defense is sad. And Ray, he has his good points, but far more bad IMO. And I think he has hit his peak. If we were to pull off something for some more fire power, I would be fully behind the move.

[Demon DeaCat]

i think we are going to repackage jax or trade wallace. there is not room for both. they are essentially the same player

I think they're definitely different players, but you could be right about one or the other being moved. If so, I could go for something like:

Jax or GW packaged with Flip + DJ in exchange for Martin and Udrih.

K-Mart, Jax and Boris would be a nice Big 3

[BRNC]

i think we are going to repackage jax or trade wallace. there is not room for both. they are essentially the same player

Chef...not exactly true...Crash is a true "slasher" and Jax is an outside shooter that drives on occasion...not a duplication at all...

[Chef]

did not mean they are the same but from a starting lineup point of view, neither is really a 2 or 4 but can play them but both are most comfortable as a 3. together, they take shots from each other and play the same type of role in the offense. obviously, jax is a better shooter and on the ball defender but wallace is a better open court player, rebounder and banger.

[polarcat]

damn, i was really hoping to see jax at the 2 and gwall at the 3. i think jax is more than capable of playing the 2. i would rather package flip + a pg to get a 4 in return and see what acie has as a back up. he was putting up close to 10ppg in golden state and is only 24. i hate that henderson is getting buried on this roster, and i wish he, brown and lexy would get more burn. ILBIT, but this type of veteran vs. young kid stuff has followed him everywhere he goes.

[azfollower]

I honestly think now might be the time to unload DJ. I'm sure he has enough trade value for us to get a decent backup 4 to make G-Wall happy. Then we could start Felton, S-Jax, Crash, Diaw, and TC with Law, Flip, Brown, the new 4, and Nazr as the main backups. I think that could work.

[Fred Williamson]

How about we unload Felton first?

[Ghost Kat]

Wallace would have to play the PF spot if Tyson was actually worth a damn. Wallace is our only big man that can score in the post and rebound and defend on both ends. It's not Jackson's fault that Wallace has to be a PF, That's Nazr, Lexy, and Tyson's fault for being weak.

[davcbow]

This is what I read in the article....


Coach Larry Brown likes Law's size (a husky 6-3 and 202 pounds) and his effectiveness in pick-and-roll. That's been a weakness for the Bobcats' other point guards this season and might give Law a crack into the rotation.

"I love playing pick-and-roll," Law said. "I understand the defense, and when a big man rolls right, I know how to get him the ball and I know when to take my shot."

I bet we see Law get his chance soon and if he out does Ray or DJ someone besides him will be in a trade...

[polarcat]

How about we unload Felton first?

this is the route that id rather go. i like them both but with felton's contract coming up, one of the three are going to be traded out. felton is a warrior and has done everything asked of him, but for whatever reason, i like dj more running the show with acie off the bench. both have their ups and downs, but i think dj's peaks and valleys could be resolved by being the man and not having to look over his shoulder at raymond. the same could be said about felts, but he was that way before dj got here. i wouldn't be mad at who we kept, but it seems like financially, dj is the smarter play.

[davcbow]

this is the route that id rather go. i like them both but with felton's contract coming up, one of the three are going to be traded out. felton is a warrior and has done everything asked of him, but for whatever reason, i like dj more running the show with acie off the bench. both have their ups and downs, but i think dj's peaks and valleys could be resolved by being the man and not having to look over his shoulder at raymond. the same could be said about felts, but he was that way before dj got here. i wouldn't be mad at who we kept, but it seems like financially, dj is the smarter play.

I like the way you think...:cool:

[teej]

@Schintzel and Polarcat. Ray would have to approve of any trade, he basically has a no trade clause, and he won't allow himself to be "unloaded"

@Crash's attitude. Quit bitching. This is the best team you've been on, and Jack is as good a teammate as Raja.

[BRNC]

Well I think (as in dead horse as someone else has said on another thread) everyone knows we can't trade Ray...so DJ would go between those two...I'm hoping Law gets a chance to prove himself (I thought he was a good pick by the Hawks but never got a chance there)...but if any are packaged at this point for a true PF then it will probably be DJ...

[TyHill]

If Felt gets traded to a contender you dont think he would accept it? Maybe Felt for Varejao if all this Delonte West drama persist. Felt to the Heat for Haslem(expiring)? I feel Augustin and Law can run the point just fine (Big fan of seeing what Law can do).. Felton had his time.. I think its time to put Augustin/Law up in that position.

[dav7z]

If Felt gets traded to a contender you dont think he would accept it? Maybe Felt for Varejao if all this Delonte West drama persist. Felt to the Heat for Haslem(expiring)? I feel Augustin and Law can run the point just fine (Big fan of seeing what Law can do).. Felton had his time.. I think its time to put Augustin/Law up in that position.

First chance to tell ya welcome to Bobcatsplanet. Its no way Felts is going any where . Its way to much money to lose. We could trade Law or DJ if the team wanted.
Charlotte didn't have to offer him a QO last year . And or could have signed him to a contract . Right now as things look Felton is gone and we get no value in return.

[BRNC]

The last thing I'd do is trade Law...I'd really like him to get a chance and hope that he does...the other two (Ray and DJ) have both had their chances and unlike other guys passing through here Law has talent...I'd rather see it put to use here...particularly if we do end up not resigning Ray...and I hate to see wasted talent...Law has talent. so lets use it to our advantage...

[Chef]

Right now as things look Felton is gone and we get no value in return.

this franchise's front office is so frustrating. we were arguing this point LAST Feb. many of us wanted to deal Felton by the deadline for picks/talent OR resign him long term. but noooo, our front office always seems to choose the worst choice of 3 and in this case it was do neither and get no value for him.

[polarcat]

this franchise's front office is so frustrating. we were arguing this point LAST Feb. many of us wanted to deal Felton by the deadline for picks/talent OR resign him long term. but noooo, our front office always seems to choose the worst choice of 3 and in this case it was do neither and get no value for him.


That last part of your post is so dead-on about this franchise. whether it's drafting, trading or overall roster movement, this front office always seems to make the wrong choice. not to get off on a wrong tangent, but at some point the root of our failures as a franchise must be fixed, starting at the top.

[dav7z]

Watch us sign Felton to six years 50 milion . Just to be signing a player.

We really need to put him on the DNP LIST EVER GAME . Piss him off and hope he ask for a trade.

Sign AI and say screw you Ray til you ready to be traded .
Its sounds a little dirty on managemants part. But hell its a bisness.
We just have 14 on the roster so we could sign AI outright .
Read WE GOT A 3 milion trade exception , May as well put part of it to use.

[spectre]

I do think we'll sign him, but only to trade him later.

Say we let him walk...that would leave us only the full MLE to replace him with. What starting PG would we be able to get with that? Also, signing players to the MLE adds to our cap. With the LT coming down next year there's almost no chance we burn the full MLE for a while.

Since we're locked into salary for the forseeable future Jordan is absolutely right in that we have to make trades in order to get better. The draft isn't going to do it and without cap signing FAs aren't going to either.

Besides, the way it looks now we'd be sitting Felton for Flip...and I do not want to do that.

[Ghost Kat]

You folk and ya crazy video game trade idea's crack me up.

[davcbow]

The last thing I'd do is trade Law...I'd really like him to get a chance and hope that he does...the other two (Ray and DJ) have both had their chances and unlike other guys passing through here Law has talent...I'd rather see it put to use here...particularly if we do end up not resigning Ray...and I hate to see wasted talent...Law has talent. so lets use it to our advantage...


Why wont LB play him??? Is he injured or is it LB being stubborn....:cool:

[BRNC]

LB is LB...as to why he does anything falls under that great saying..."I don't know...it's a mystery"...

[polarcat]

i think felts as a player has done everything for this franchise and city with the exception of taking his game to the next level. for this reason, i wouldn't sit him or piss him off because he deserves better. as for the talent part, he is a mediocre guard in this league and has had 4+ seasons to show otherwise. i wish we could get something for him, but it's looking like we will have to sign him in the off season first and then trade him.

does anybody know if we are allowed to sign him mid season and then ship him out, or since we gave him the q.o. that we have to wait 'til seasons end?

spectre, i'm guessing you aren't comfortable with dj running the show next year if we let felton walk. you mentioned trying to find a starting pg with the mle. you don't feel good about dj being our starter with acie backing him up?

[spectre]

i think felts as a player has done everything for this franchise and city with the exception of taking his game to the next level. for this reason, i wouldn't sit him or piss him off because he deserves better. as for the talent part, he is a mediocre guard in this league and has had 4+ seasons to show otherwise. i wish we could get something for him, but it's looking like we will have to sign him in the off season first and then trade him.

does anybody know if we are allowed to sign him mid season and then ship him out, or since we gave him the q.o. that we have to wait 'til seasons end?

spectre, i'm guessing you aren't comfortable with dj running the show next year if we let felton walk. you mentioned trying to find a starting pg with the mle. you don't feel good about dj being our starter with acie backing him up?

To answer your first question in regards to trading Felton he can be moved sometime near Christmas but (and this is key) only with his permission.

Personally I don't see it happening, because I don't believe Larry Brown will just sit him...and if he won't do that there's no better situation in the League for Felton to be in. LB is a defense first minded coach, and of all our PGs Felton is head and shoulders above the rest in that regard. He's also still the best in running our offense (I know that's not saying a lot)...and with us adding shooters in Jax and Flip we need the D in the starting lineup over shooting.

In regards to giving DJ the keys...

He's still not shown me that he's capable of running the offense, and so far in this young season he actually seems worse on D than last year. IMO it was pushing it to call him average then, so now he's really playing below average.

Unless you're AI it's hard to have a guy playing PG who's only real plus is shooting...and DJ hasn't shown that he's willing to be "The Man" like say Derrick Rose is envisioned to be.

DJ has to improve a lot before I'll be happy with him as our prime at PG.

More importantly...I don't think LB will either.

[spectre]

I would REALLY like to make a move for Andre Miller. He can't be happy in POR coming off the bench and they can't be all that happy that he's not meshing well with Roy.

Thing is they'd probably only want Crash...and I'm not willing to do that.

[SWedd523]

I would REALLY like to make a move for Andre Miller. He can't be happy in POR coming off the bench and they can't be all that happy that he's not meshing well with Roy.

Thing is they'd probably only want Crash...and I'm not willing to do that.
I posted in another thread Blake/Przybilla/Webster for Crash/Nazr/Graham since they're desperate for wings and loaded at PG.


But Miller/Webster/Rudy (or Bayless) would work for Crash/Acie/Graham

[BRNC]

I would REALLY like to make a move for Andre Miller. He can't be happy in POR coming off the bench and they can't be all that happy that he's not meshing well with Roy.Thing is they'd probably only want Crash...and I'm not willing to do that.

spectre...since they only need a back-up for Blake they might work something with us for DJ...as far as DJs "D" it never reached average last year and I agree he seems to have regressed from last year in that regard also...

...and regards to the post wanting to trade Crash...why the heck would anyone want to trade our best re-bounder...a guy that gives you (pretty much) a double-double...an outstanding defender...and a guy that has solid across the board numbers? What the heck do you think we'd get that would be better? There are not too many stupid teams (as in GSW) that will even give you value for value...much less better...Crash needs to stay here...he is the only "solid" (but I have a hope Jax will be) on a team that desperately needs that...

...any way...spectre I think Miller would be a tremendous upgrade at the 1....I've always liked him...Miller (like Ray) can't be traded until about the same time though...so it might be possible to work a Portland trade Ray for Miller at that time...salaries are close enough that we'd only have to throw in a filler....and since Portland is a winning team (and Ray may feel he can beat out Blake) he might actually agree to it...just a thought...

[spectre]

I doubt Portland wants Felton. According to their fans their ultimate PG would 1) not have to have the ball in his hands due to Roy and 2) an above average 3 ball shooter. Felton is the exact opposite of that.

DJ on the other hand would probably perk their interest. To reach that 7 per though we'd have to include a MLE type of contract and I'm loathe to move Nazr...and I doubt seriously if they'd take Gana (who am I kidding...of course they wouldn't take Gana) with both Oden and Pryz already there and better.

Felton is going to be a bitch to move this year if not flat impossible. There are few if any situations that are better for him than here and I'm sure he still thinks he can be our PG for the long haul.

And he could be "a" PG of ours...but he would seriously have to re-adjust his thinking on money.

I'm not at all in favor of moving Crash. The return won't be near as good and we do NOT need a quantity for quality trade...esp. now that we finally have some depth.

I'd have to be "blown away".

[Slam]

Say we let him walk...that would leave us only the full MLE to replace him with. What starting PG would we be able to get with that? Also, signing players to the MLE adds to our cap. With the LT coming down next year there's almost no chance we burn the full MLE for a while.
Lowry
Blake
Ridnour
or
Watson

?

[GoBobs]

I just saw that the sixers lost Williams for a while... maybe we could get something for law

second round pick anyone?

before you say you don't want a second round pick remember we got ups this year and he looks pretty good

[BRNC]

I'd rather see what Law can bring (at this point) than a second...

[spectre]

Lowry
Blake
Ridnour
or
Watson

?

Lowry...think he'd choose us over the Rockets?
Blake...solid PG, but it sure looks like Roy prefers him (and Roy will get what he wants).
Ridnour...pass
Watson...pass

With the exception of Lowry our D would suffer with all those guys. I think LB would like Blake and would probably like Lowry if he could actually get those guys. The others probably not so much.

BTW...if Tam's numbers are up to date we're sitting at over 58 million committed next season with 10 players. It's going to be difficult with a dropping cap regardless.

[Ghost Kat]

I know nothing about AC, I think he used to play in ATL at one point didn't he? Either way, I liked what i saw from his use of the pick and roll. DJ hasn't learned how to work it yet and maybe never will. It's Good to have Flip and AC on the roster.

[BRNC]

Law was buried in Atl after the Bibby trade...I thought he had a lot of potential when they drafted him...but Woodson likes to go medium (everyone 6'6" to 6'10") a great deal (besides Bibby)...he was included in their trade with GSW and was actually starting to get some burn there so I understood why he was upset coming here...in the end I think it will turn out well for him since I really think LB will like his game...I give him a few more practices/games and then I think we'll start to see a little more of him...I'm glad he was included to us...just made me feel it was that much of a better deal for us...

[mrtarheel]

Since we have Flip who can play the pg position why not let's trade DJ allowing us to bring Acie Law into the fold and get us a Pf. When Diaw got hurt against the Raps in the first half it scared me. Brown is doing good but we need another 4. Blatche, Humphries, Hill or somebody, we just need another solid pf. Someone will take a fly on DJ allowing us to get a pf.

[BRNC]

The teams that I know have some interest in DJ (Kings and Trail Blazers) might be difficult trade partners...neither is particularly inclined to trade away their young bigs...Portland would have been an option when they had Frye (whom we could have signed as a FA if we'd wanted him) but now I think it would be difficult...

[Toocool]

As far as a 4 goes, I would love to have Birdman here.
But he's too old now, at 31 with a 3+ mill contract. And though he brings a lot defensively and on the boards, we already have Chandler struggling down low, don't need Bird to struggle with us.

But yeah, if this was a perfect world, I would go with the Birdman. Honestly though, I would prefer to trade Acie than DJ. I reakon that DJ will be bigger than Acie as we know what he can do.

[Chef]

if he started at 4 for us our frontline offensive production would be limited to what we could get from the 3.

[Ghost Kat]

I would still rather have DJ over AC. DJ is having a horrible year so far. He's missed shots and you can clearly see he's scared to shoot the ball now. The only thing AC impressed me with was his use of the pick and roll. If DJ comes out of his shooting slump, all your silly trade talk will fade away.

[mrtarheel]

True I would rather have Dj but people aren't going to line up at your door with offers for Acie Law. This is only if we intend to keep Capt. Jack. If he is going to be a deadline trade leave the team as is and wait for the best offer. Capt Jack could pay off in a major way if he continues to play the way he is.

[Demon DeaCat]

I agree on DJ. He's a talented player who's just slumping right now. He had a great rookie year and I have no doubt that he's going to be a very good NBA player. I'm not opposed to trading him, but now is probably the worst time to do it. We wouldn't get maximal value given his poor play so far this year, and the last thing I want to do is trade him for a mediocre bench player and watch him end up turning into a star somewhere else. I don't consider anyone to be off limits, so if we could get a talented player in return I'd be ok with it, but I don't see that happening until he starts playing better.