The Official "Fire Larry Brown" thread

[GeraldWalrus]

Seriously. This is moronic. Your point guards are playing like shit, you have a point guard on reserves, so what do you do? Keep him on reserves. Tonight, Nazr had 8 points in the first half, so what do you do? Don't play him the second half. Gerald Wallace is a tremendous inside player and banger and what do you do? Try to make him take jumpshots. You have a player who averaged a double double the past 4 years, and would make for one of the best banger power forwards in the leauge, so what do you do? Get him a decent center who can rebound? Nope, trade him off for an injury prone guy who hasn't played ball in forever and was only talented when he had a real point guard facilitating him.

Seriously. He's an idiot. I don't care about his past accolades and his NBA rings. It's been over a year, and we are in the same place as we were with Bernie and the dreaded Ham Biscuit. Go get Avery Johnson. Or fuck Jordan, since your such a smart guy off the court and in teaching, coach the goddamn team yourself. Stop sucking the dick of every UNC product that ever exsisted. We have the goddamn talent, I'm sure of it. But constant stupid ass decisions are holding us back.

Your thoughts?

[teej]

Every player seems to have lost their confidence. I don't know where to place the blame but LB. We have the talent to make the playoffs, we showed that last year, so it's time to make a change.

Dave Hanners would likely make a good coach in the interim. He might even work out long term.

Avery Johnson (ESPN)
Byron Scott
Jeff Van Gundy (ESPN)
Maurice Cheeks (Asst. in OKC)
Mike Fratello (NBC/TNT/YES)
Paul Silas
Sam....Mitchell :D (was hired by the 'Cats in '04 before taking the Raps job)

And my dark horse...Stephanie Ready. :biggrin:

[GeraldWalrus]

I would crap my pants for Jeff Van Gundy. That dude can coach. Plus he is very funny.

[Chrystos]

Can Avery Johnson coach us ?:g:

[GeraldWalrus]

We need a coach who isn't an old man and who has a backbone. If a player is playing like shit (Raymond Felton) you sit his ass on the bench. If someone is playing good (Nazr) you play them. It's simple basketball. Keep your 439092308 plays you have, because it obviously doesn't work for shit. Larry Brown wants to play a style of basketball that just doesn't work anymore. You struck magic in the Pistons and the 76ers. But how many times did you fail? I mean, your last coaching job went great didn't it? You turned that New York franchise right around.

[KT#20]

IDK where blame lies for the personnel moves we've made, but obviously he has a lot of say in it. That upsets me more than his coaching right now. Thinking about what's happened to this team over the course of one year WRT personnel moves makes me disappointed. At least I could look at our roster before and say, "Well, we have some very good pieces to build around and a couple of average to slightly above average ones." Now, I can't really say that. Felton and Augustin have just sucked (average to slightly above average ones), Richardson and Okafor are gone, and Wallace looks like he wants out of Charlotte.

The Diop trade was a disaster, and the Vlad trade was a shortsighted solution. However, I could look past both of those until we sent Mek to NOLA for TC. Deep down, I would hope LB wasn't stupid enough to ask for a Okafor/Chandler trade, and for a while I believed he wasn't. However, when this team made the move for Jackson, it made me awfully suspicious who was behind that deal. Was it really Bob Johnson worrying about his money? Or was it LB making just another ridiculous trade?

IDK how much of an impact the departure of Okafor has had on Felton and Augustin, but it's there, that's for sure. Maybe Felton and Augustin need to take the court together, like last season.

[Chrystos]

IDK where blame lies for the personnel moves we've made, but obviously he has a lot of say in it. That upsets me more than his coaching right now. Thinking about what's happened to this team over the course of one year WRT personnel moves makes me disappointed. At least I could look at our roster before and say, "Well, we have some very good pieces to build around and a couple of average to slightly above average ones." Now, I can't really say that. Felton and Augustin have just sucked (average to slightly above average ones), Richardson and Okafor are gone, and Wallace looks like he wants out of Charlotte.

The Diop trade was a disaster, and the Vlad trade was a shortsighted solution. However, I could look past both of those until we sent Mek to NOLA for TC. Deep down, I would hope LB wasn't stupid enough to ask for a Okafor/Chandler trade, and for a while I believed he wasn't. However, when this team made the move for Jackson, it made me awfully suspicious who was behind that deal. Was it really Bob Johnson worrying about his money? Or was it LB making just another ridiculous trade?

IDK how much of an impact the departure of Okafor has had on Felton and Augustin, but it's there, that's for sure. Maybe Felton and Augustin need to take the court together, like last season.

Hey the Sjax trade was good and you Know it:punch::punch:

[polarcat]

i'm not ready to fire lb yet, but my "ILBIT" mentality has definitely shifted to an on the fence feeling. i don't like how dj, lexy, hendo and brown have been utilized and i feel like dj is suffering the most. i think lb has gotten in his head and he is not just playing basketball. it's hard to be at your best and excel when you are walking on egg shells, and imo, that is where dj is. it doesn't mean he's weak-minded nor a bad nba player. it's got to be hard transitioning from the college level to the nba and an enigmatic coach like brown doesn't make it easy. i've barely seen henderson in there and why play crash at the 4 more than brown getting burn. i'm not saying these guys should start, but come on, they deserve way more minutes. outside of the steven jackson trade and the diaw/bell trade, i don't like the personnel decisions being made in trades and drafting, and we all know brown has a big say in who plays in the queen city and who doesn't. only time will tell, but brown's honeymoon time is over and now the success that follows his outspoken ways needs to catch up to the miscues.

[Marvel]

I would say LB's system is the problem here and we all know it we just hope it would eventually come around sooner or later well guess what folks .............................IT AIN'T.The departure of Okafor is huge with TC only getting 22 minutes of burn and is already suffering back problems.If TC could give us 30 minutes at least we wouldn't be so bad and i truly believe that.The slow pace system is not working for our guards i think S-Jax should be our LeBron James and he should run our offense more with Diaw.Get Diaw and S-Jax running pick n pops more often why not Diaw is a great mid range shooter and Jackson is a great passer,with Wallace making cuts to the basket if Diaw's shot's not there he can also pass to a cutting Gerald Wallace.The thing with LB is his system is based around pgs which is not a bad thing but with Felton it is.
Something has to give.............the "Tipping Point" is just around the corner.
So in saying that i think the problem here is LB..........sad but true.Ok and Felton and TC.I also think signing Flip Murray was a bad move why draft Hendo in the first place............that is on LB.If he had given DJ the minutes he was getting last season we would have been alright with Hendo and DJ...........i truly believe that also.The Gana trade......................what can i say about that i mean that was a FUCKING terrible trade and that is on LB.We had no backup 2 guard for Raja when he went out we already had Nazr as Okafor's backup..................FUCKING TERRIBLE TRADE.Maybe just maybe we would have juuuust snuck into the playoffs last season had we kept Matt Carroll.Now we're stuck with Gana and his ugly contract for the next 4 years.Anywho this team stinks BAD the blame has to go somewhere for a team that looked so promising last season.

[TheBeagle]

Damn, well, most all know how I feel about Larry and the job he's done this year, but I don't know if firing is the answer. Sad thing is, I think most of y'all make convincing arguments that he SHOULD be.

So, I don't know; I've long since thrown away the ILBIT mantra, but I dont' think I'm quite ready to join the opposite mantra either.

Yeesh. Just some ugly times and dark days (in a Bobcats basketball context, of course) that don't show any signs of getting better...:(

[kickazzz2000]

It just kills me to see boxscores like tonight.

Mario Chalmers 30 pts tonite.

Blook Ropez somethin like 22 and 16 the other night.

But then I wonder..would LB have them totally fucked in the head right now too?

[coachcdobbs]

Look, Im not going to sit here and condone all of these player/personnel moves. Some of them at this point dont seem to make any sense at all. But as far as LB goes, sure he isnt utilizing some of the younger guys, but seriously, the problem is that there really isnt a ton of talent on this team compared to the rest of the league. We dont have a true #1 guy and we never have had one. Crash is not a #1, on a good team he is maybe a #2 or #3 guy. But when Crash is your best guy, then your team isnt that good. Jax is also not a #1 guy, we have a lot of guys who would be role players on good teams. The problem is now that we dont have the cap room, and we have made mistake after mistake in the draft where we could have had the chance to get a number one guy, but instead we took someone else. We could have had Brandon Roy a few years ago, and now the guy we drafted will more than likely be out of the league in the next 2 years. We took a small point guard instead of the 7 footer when we needed a big guy and now he is beasting up in Jersey. It is our choice of personnel rather than coaching that may have us where we are. LB is a very good coach, but we need real management, and people who know how to use the draft to build, and manage cap room.

Bottom line guys is that you can blame the coach all you want to, but the players that we brought here play the games. We dont have a ton of talent compared to the other teams in the league. And until we get smart about how to get talent we will continue to waste our money on role players making 6.5 million a year, and centers making 5.5 million who wear suits...

I still love my bobcats though.

Signed,

an unsuprised bobcats fan

[GoBobs]

It does not seem like any of our younger players ever get much better. Hard to say if that is on them or LB, but it is easier to change the coach then blow up the whole roster.

Felton looked a lot better under Bernie when the team was running more. We have brought in a bunch of defensive type players but not great shooters. Teams just pack it in on us now so it is very hard to drive and get fouls because they know thats what we want to do.

The defense is better under LB then Ham for sure, but the offense is worse and the pace makes for unwatchable basketball.

Guys I would want to take the job:

1. Coach K
2. Mike Dantoni
3. Kenny the Jet
4. Byron Scott

Other possibilities are:

1.the team is tanking to try and get LB fired because they are tired of getting yelled at and 9am shootaround. They figure even if they get traded it would be better playing for another team. Highly unlikely with a guy like Raymond who is in a contract year.

2. MJ is just about to buy the team from Bob and they are in final negotiations. MJ told LB to have the team drop an egg so he could get the price down a little more.

[ohara831]

Seriously. This is moronic. Your point guards are playing like shit, you have a point guard on reserves, so what do you do? Keep him on reserves. Tonight, Nazr had 8 points in the first half, so what do you do? Don't play him the second half. Gerald Wallace is a tremendous inside player and banger and what do you do? Try to make him take jumpshots. You have a player who averaged a double double the past 4 years, and would make for one of the best banger power forwards in the leauge, so what do you do? Get him a decent center who can rebound? Nope, trade him off for an injury prone guy who hasn't played ball in forever and was only talented when he had a real point guard facilitating him.

Seriously. He's an idiot. I don't care about his past accolades and his NBA rings. It's been over a year, and we are in the same place as we were with Bernie and the dreaded Ham Biscuit. Go get Avery Johnson. Or fuck Jordan, since your such a smart guy off the court and in teaching, coach the goddamn team yourself. Stop sucking the dick of every UNC product that ever exsisted. We have the goddamn talent, I'm sure of it. But constant stupid ass decisions are holding us back.

Your thoughts?

Well, I am not sure I am at the "Fire LB" place yet, but it wont matter. We all know that MJ will not eat that crow, and he wont humiliate another from UNC. It runs against everything Dean Smith installed in them all. Bottom line is, LB will coach out this year and the 3rd year of his Contract, and then I expect him to walk. If if does end early, it will be by LB's choice and likely there will be a good cover excuse - like health concerns.

But I will disagree with you on one point you noted. We do not have the talent on this team right now. Sure there have been bad decisions, trades, drafts, etc... But we simply dont have a very talented team right now. Not at all.

[polarcat]

that's the thing with bringing in a Larry brown, he's so different than most coaches. it's like having Phil Jackson or Pat Riley....in that they are hall of fame guys that are almost "above" the game of basketball. i would argue that almost every player that was here before and during his coaching stint have regressed rather than improved. the young guys are afraid to make mistakes and that is not a good situation. it's like when your micro-managing boss is always breathing down everyone's necks and then he goes on vacation for a week. the work still gets done, yet the atmosphere is not so stressful and people can actually do their job confidently without feeling like every move is being under a microscope. brown is the best coach we have and i too am not ready to run him out of town because he can be a good coach. i'm just nervous that if you spend 2 drafts drafting rookies and then kill their confidence while here, are we ever going to see their true potential. what if a different team drafted dj, would he be pulling a brandon jennings or tyreke evans and going off? if we drafted lopez, would he be playing like ajinca or getting 11 minutes of pt behind our veterans?

[amour217]

I think the Bobcats right now are stuck at a weird limbo-like impasse: right now we're playing "Patch up the holes" with the moves we've been making, and it's not just lately, the team has a history of it, particularly with the Diop deal, and even the Nazr one. What the Bobcats need to do is to make a complete paradigm shift within the entire organization...all of it...from player personnel to marketing to management...all of it. Simply put, they need to change they way they do business from the top down.

The Bobcats situation reminds me of the 2002-2005 era New York Yankees: we had this great run of 4 championships from 1996-2000. After a heartbreaking loss in 2001, the team went through this absolutely bonkers phase where the GM would constantly be overruled on decisions by ownership or the coach(es) and we'd be stuck with injured players on long contracts, just plain bad contracts, or two or three malcontents...on bad contracts. And each and every season they'd just try patching the problems: let's get this guy, let's get that guy, let's give up the farm to get this one dude. And we had nothing to show for it. Finally the GM was up for a contract renewal and George Steinbrenner was passing on team ownership to his sons...the GM basically said "I won't re-sign with the team unless I'm allowed to do what I feel is right for the team." So they let him do his job...we still didn't show much for it, heck we didn't even make the playoffs in 2008: but all the while the GM was dealing those bad contracts and stockpiling young talent and hiring GOOD SCOUTS. Yes, the Yankees will always spend money on top players, however in 2009 some important parts of the championship team was composed of home-grown, properly scouted young talent.

So is imploding the team the right move? Should we fire the GM and Larry Brown and start over? I don't' know...but the Bobcats can't keep doing things the same way they have been or we'll languish forever. I think the 'Cats can foremost benefit from good scouting. They need to have a cohesive plan before going into our offseasons: if you want to make the playoffs, don't blow a draft pick on a 3-4 year project and then never play him (Ajinca). If your team has needs, address them wisely and properly. You can't have a team completely comprised of superstars and veterans...it'll never work: the Bobcats need to come up with a decision about playing the people they draft and cut a paycheck to. In 2009 the Yankee bullpen was basically "Sink or swim with the young kids"...and you know what, some of those young kids flourished in that role and they became the team's strength all season, particularly in the playoffs. The Bobcats just need to start making better decisions in the front office, better decisions on the court, better decisions in practice time, better decisions in fan involvement/marketing...the list goes on and on...but they need something new, something fresh...and for God's sake, something consistent.

[dunnlx]

Iagree 100%!
Seriously. This is moronic. Your point guards are playing like shit, you have a point guard on reserves, so what do you do? Keep him on reserves. Tonight, Nazr had 8 points in the first half, so what do you do? Don't play him the second half. Gerald Wallace is a tremendous inside player and banger and what do you do? Try to make him take jumpshots. You have a player who averaged a double double the past 4 years, and would make for one of the best banger power forwards in the leauge, so what do you do? Get him a decent center who can rebound? Nope, trade him off for an injury prone guy who hasn't played ball in forever and was only talented when he had a real point guard facilitating him.

Seriously. He's an idiot. I don't care about his past accolades and his NBA rings. It's been over a year, and we are in the same place as we were with Bernie and the dreaded Ham Biscuit. Go get Avery Johnson. Or fuck Jordan, since your such a smart guy off the court and in teaching, coach the goddamn team yourself. Stop sucking the dick of every UNC product that ever exsisted. We have the goddamn talent, I'm sure of it. But constant stupid ass decisions are holding us back.

Your thoughts?

[Shrimpy_Jackson]

I think everybody needs to step back and breathe a little bit and hop off the crazy train of doom and depression, it's still early!

[teej]

I think everybody needs to step back and breathe a little bit and hop off the crazy train of doom and depression, it's still early!

Then please explain why so much bad stuff is happening and why LB is playing the wrong players?

[Shrimpy_Jackson]

Then please explain why so much bad stuff is happening and why LB is playing the wrong players?

Haha the bad things are happening because you guys probably didn't wish hard enough for the good things. And as for LB I say he's just possessed by a some kind of mud demon and should be fine once Gumbercules is able to make it down to Charlotte.

[SirBobcat]

Don't worry guys, Larry will want to leave before getting fired. He's an excellent coach and a Hall of Fame inductee for sure, so no one should ever discredit him as a bad coach. For all our offensive struggles, people seem to forget that we're one of the league's best teams in points given up per game.

Larry has been a consistent figure in an organization that's been up and down...sure we're really low right now, but damnit we're only 3-9! We're not even a quarter into the season and people are looking to fire Larry Brown? The Bobcats are only 3 games out of the 8th spot despite going on a 7 game losing streak.

All i'm saying is, it's not even close to valid to even think about Larry Brown being fired at this time.

[Ghost Kat]

This is the life as usual in the Bobcats nation, Someone always needs to be fired or traded. We are never happy with what we have since what we have has been sucking longer then Monica Lewinsky. We always daydream about what we could have had and blah, blah, blah.

Million $ ?
Fire LB and hire who??

Who's going to bring more respect then LB has? Respect for the team, respect from the players, fans, other coaches and players. Who just itching to come coach the Charlotte Bobcats? Sounds like ya'll are asking for another order of Ham Biscuit.

[Chrystos]

Don't worry guys, Larry will want to leave before getting fired. He's an excellent coach and a Hall of Fame inductee for sure, so no one should ever discredit him as a bad coach. For all our offensive struggles, people seem to forget that we're one of the league's best teams in points given up per game.

Larry has been a consistent figure in an organization that's been up and down...sure we're really low right now, but damnit we're only 3-9! We're not even a quarter into the season and people are looking to fire Larry Brown? The Bobcats are only 3 games out of the 8th spot despite going on a 7 game losing streak.

All i'm saying is, it's not even close to valid to even think about Larry Brown being fired at this time.

Yeah he is way to good of a coach to be fired. :yeahthat:

[teej]

He got fired in NYK, didn't he? And way back in LAC was it?

And kat, see my post on page 1. I still don't think he is the right man for the job.

[Marvel]

Jeff Van Gundy...............mmm mm mm mm mmm i would love to have me some of that

[Dcarnys]

This is the life as usual in the Bobcats nation, Someone always needs to be fired or traded. We are never happy with what we have since what we have has been sucking longer then Monica Lewinsky. We always daydream about what we could have had and blah, blah, blah.

Million $ ?
Fire LB and hire who??

Who's going to bring more respect then LB has? Respect for the team, respect from the players, fans, other coaches and players. Who just itching to come coach the Charlotte Bobcats? Sounds like ya'll are asking for another order of Ham Biscuit.

Seriously, Its fun saying what we could have but in the end you have to be rational about things. So far Larry Brown is one of the best coaches you're gonna get. Other then maybe Jeff Van Gundy, who are you gonna get. This team always stars off slow. This is nothing new.

[teej]

Other then maybe Jeff Van Gundy, who are you gonna get.

You make him sound like a bad coach. JVG is better than his brother. At least he didn't eat the third brother :biggrin:

[Toocool]

If there's one team that can turn the Bobcats around, its Larry Brown. I reakon LB has done a fair job with the crap FHB has surrounded him with. And honestly, I would pick LB over Mike Brown any day. Seriously, last play of the game and who's drawing up the plays? It's his assistant coach while Mike Brown looks around, trying to look busy as the camera's on him. Coach of the year was a joke. It was only because of Lebron that they won so many games, not because of Mike Brown. I for one see Larry Brown drawing up a play at the end of the game instead of just standing there and letting his assistants do the work.

Sure LB does make some questionable decisions, but who doesn't?

Instances of "questionable decisions"

-Diop trade (TBH I hated the Diop trade, but honestly the two chaps we traded were pretty useless)

-DJ > Lopez

- Ajinca > all

In 2008 LB went under alotta scrutiny for drafting DJ instead of Brook Lopez, and then drafting Ajinca. People instantly jumped on the bandwagon to say that they were failed players. But what people don't understand is that LB is not living for the moment, but for the future as well.

Since I'm an optimistic kind of guy, I believe that Ajinca and DJ have the potential to become great players. Ajinca is one of the most versatile big men I have ever seen. He has length, hops and speed. Only thing he lacks is skill, footwork and weight. LB can help him with that. It's been a long two years, but in the pre-season we've seen what Ajinca can do. Imagine him in another two years where he's reaching his prime. I believe he can be a great player.

DJ as well. DJ was averaging 11/3 (approx.) last season. DJ has the potential to improve on that too. I've seen the kid play, when he has his 'swagger' the kid reminds me of CP3 at times with his tenacity and scoring. For instance, in pre-season he was lightning it up. He's gone into a cold stretch but he should pull out of it. In two or three years, expect him to be our starting PG instad of Felton(considering he isn't traded off).

Frankly, people are overreacting. It's like being a lemming. One cries fire and jumps off the cliff, the rest follow. I for one will stand by LB and I believe that in the best intrests of our beloved team, that he stays. Just look at our defence, ranked 3rd overall. Only now does our team truely look complete and heading towards the playoffs. Our team finally knows what it's doing when on offence and we have the players to fill the roles. We have a decent PG and a upcoming superstar PG, a SG who can post-up, shoot 3's, rebound, pass and defend. A SF who can score, rebound and defend...not to mention lovely highlight blocks. We have a PF who is undersized, but can pass, shoot and rebound. And we have C who is finally getting back on his feet after downtime (Said that playing the 76ers he was truely feeling good for the first time).

Not to mention we have a backup scorer, two great players up and coming in Hendo and UPS, Mohammed who is like fine wine, a skinny frenchman and a smiling defensive blocker dude. Honestly, I truely like this team and I think that we are ready to make some noise.

Honestly, I don't live completely for the moment. I live for the moment, but also for the future. I believe LB shares my view. He lives for the moment, but at the same time plans ahead for the future. He's filled up the holes in this team. He's finally gotten rid of useless players that he overplayed (Radman) and has created a truely great defensive team that with the right offense, has the potential to challenge for a playoff berth, even without a superstar (Although I reakon Cpt. Jack is our own little superstar. I mean come on, the chap averages 20/5/5 or so, that's impressive).

So for those who managed to read through this massive wall of text, I have one thing to proclaim.

ILBIT

[SWedd523]

Toocool, the problem I have is that LB is having to deal with the crap HE SURROUNDED HIMSELF WITH. Crash, Felton, and Nazr are the only players remaining from FHB. The rest are people that LB brought in for whatever reason. After all of that we still aren't much bettter.


It pisses me off how he complains about not getting production from guys when he made the trades to bring them in. Sleep in the bed you made LB.


With that said, ILBIT

[teej]

Toocool, the problem I have is that LB is having to deal with the crap HE SURROUNDED HIMSELF WITH. Crash, Felton, and Nazr are the only players remaining from FHB. The rest are people that LB brought in for whatever reason. After all of that we still aren't much bettter.

Exactly. And he tried to trade all 3 of them, too.

[BRNC]

I've never viewed LB as a "long term solution" here...or anywhere for that matter...and I think I've been one of the biggest (if not the) advocates of "you wanted these players now suck it up"...that said we are what 12 games into the season...Rod finally did a deal I like (Jax) and brought a guy in the even LB can't get into his head and screw up his shot...

If Rod is finally the GM and will have control over the draft and trades...and if LB is told to "coach you product"...then I think he (LB) will get the team turned around...I liked (and it is what I've been expecting) what I saw against the Pacers...we have talent...I'm going to give it the chance it deserves...now one of the four (Ray, DJ, Flip, and Law) PGs needs to actually want to be the PG for this team...when that happens I think we will be fine...

What I'd like...LB to play the best player...what does that mean...well...right now Nazzy has proven he is the better center...so start him...

A. Law came in the trade...he has talent...if Ray and DJ continue to play like they don't want the job...give him a chance...

...and do not stop playing UPS...he has been effective...brings great energy on both ends of the court...he deserves PT...

[GeraldWalrus]

Well, it's been a little bit since I made this thread. And while I still stand behind it at the time of making the thread, it's nice to see that LB read it and is fixing the problems I pointed out (I kid, I kid).

Anyways, look at the past 2 games where we have destroyed decent Eastern Conference teams. Nazr dominated. Gerald was aggressive and not taking stupid jump shots. Tyson played defensively. And we had roughly 40 points coming from the BENCH which was talented to begin with, just never got the playing time. A lot of people like to call bullshit when I talk about our bench, but seriously, the guys who were not expected to be good ended up being some of our best assets. Flip and DJ are streaky, but when they are hot they are hot. But the nice thing is, WE DON'T HAVE TO RELY ON JUST THOSE 2. Gerald and UPS are both ready to get some decent minutes and have shown that. Stevie Graham is underlooked in the versatility discussions about Jax and Wallace, but he's a lockdown defender who's jumpshot has been on the mark ALL SEASON, and christ look at the sick alley-oop to Hendo last game. The point guard play is MUCH more focused on facilitating and finding an open man instead of taking stupid ass shots, and Jackson is opening up passing lanes, drawing doubles, and making life a lot easier for our other players. Also, the amount of steals and blocks we have had is staggering, and I will give LB the credit for that. He's NOT a good offensive coach, but when you have good offensive players, they will find a way to score.

As long as LB continues to use his bench (all the way to Stevie Graham) and stresses point guard play based on facilitating instead of scoring (they will get their points), giving equal playing time to Nazr and Tyson, and allows Gerald to be a slashers instead of a jump shooter, then I will be satisifed with his coaching.

[Ampsportsduo]

I know I'm late to the party, but it's funny that people are complaining about shortsighted trades, but then question his rotation so early in the season. Watching the games there have been questionable substitution patterns, but only if you think of each game as indpendent entities. The starting 5 have clearly had some issues gelling to start the season and while plugging in GH and UPS or Graham (or even DJ) certainly can help in the near-term, but the next night the starting 5 still will not have gelled. Ultimately, LB is coaching for the entire season and not for each and every game. Based on the last two games, it seems like it's paying off.

I've always been a staunch supporter of LB, but there is one trade they made which prevented them from signing a particular FA that would have likely prevented this thread from ever being made.

LB won't be fired and the team is better for it. When the next coach comes in, I have complete confidence that this team will have made the playoffs and will have a solid core going forward. That may change, but I will continue to hold the line (even if The Beagle bailed) and fight the good fight.

[TheBeagle]

I know I'm late to the party, but it's funny that people are complaining about shortsighted trades, but then question his rotation so early in the season. Watching the games there have been questionable substitution patterns, but only if you think of each game as indpendent entities. The starting 5 have clearly had some issues gelling to start the season and while plugging in GH and UPS or Graham (or even DJ) certainly can help in the near-term, but the next night the starting 5 still will not have gelled. Ultimately, LB is coaching for the entire season and not for each and every game. Based on the last two games, it seems like it's paying off.

I've always been a staunch supporter of LB, but there is one trade they made which prevented them from signing a particular FA that would have likely prevented this thread from ever being made.

LB won't be fired and the team is better for it. When the next coach comes in, I have complete confidence that this team will have made the playoffs and will have a solid core going forward. That may change, but I will continue to hold the line (even if The Beagle bailed) and fight the good fight. LOL :biggrin: Read my complementary (and even complimentary post for that matter.....who says puns are cheap humour?) post on the "Not Fire" thread, bud! Most any time you need a seat for a game, you know this bearded old hound will set you up!

[WAM9]

This thread is starting to seem really silly. 4 straight wins with the Bobcats really never looking better. ILBIT!

[GoBobs]

Well I am sick and tired of seeing a team that plays not to lose rather than to win. All the players look like they are afraid LB is going to yell at them if they make a mistake.

I blame LB for setting the tone. I can understand playing your vets more on the road, but when the three bench players you put in and one of your starters is killing you you might as well put someone else in. And even though it was a road game what a pussified decision not to play any of the younger players, its the Nets and most of there players are younger. What does it do for DJ, Brown, and hendo as far as confidence that they can't even get in that game. Is it any wonder that we didn't play with much energy in the fourth. Even when we get up by 20 LB is afraid to take out the starters. We need a coach with some balls!

Also we got beat by a team that was playing garbadge basketball, coming down the court for pull up threes. They only had a few guys that were doing anything.

[ALuhrs704]

This thread is dumb. larry brown is not our problem. I do question some of his decisions but he is a good coach and knows how to win. cant win without the players. it must be tough knowing were always 1 guy away

[BETCATS]

This thread is starting to seem really silly. 4 straight wins with the Bobcats really never looking better. ILBIT!

Exactly. When we win, SOME (but a large portion) of the fans here are all LB guys. When we lose, he needs to be fired. Its frustrating and crazy.

[BRNC]

Exactly. When we win, SOME (but a large portion) of the fans here are all LB guys. When we lose, he needs to be fired. Its frustrating and crazy.

Well not in my case 'Cats...and it is not a matter of "fire"...he (nor FHB) should have been brought in...neither is a long term solution...and if you're honest with yourself you know that not one player has really developed since LB has been here...

Yes...LB wants to win...but damn the franchise and "I'll only do it my way" and if the place stinks up while "I only do it my way" so what...:facepalm:

If I can't develop players they suck...and who cares if they play someplace else...as long as I "do it my way"...damn the talent...they "have to play my way" because I'm clueless as to how to fit anything concerning BB to anything other than "my way"...

Yes well...that is what we have...and he'll be here until he decides to leave...so please...do not get attached to any player...:o

[BRNC]

...and being very frank at this point...even Bernie could have won as many games...so what exactly is the big deal with LB...:g:

[BETCATS]

Well not in my case 'Cats...and it is not a matter of "fire"...he (nor FHB) should have been brought in...neither is a long term solution...and if you're honest with yourself you know that not one player has really developed since LB has been here...

Yes...LB wants to win...but damn the franchise and "I'll only do it my way" and if the place stinks up while "I only do it my way" so what...:facepalm:

If I can't develop players they suck...and who cares if they play someplace else...as long as I "do it my way"...damn the talent...they "have to play my way" because I'm clueless as to how to fit anything concerning BB to anything other than "my way"...

Yes well...that is what we have...and he'll be here until he decides to leave...so please...do not get attached to any player...:o

I wanted Paul Silas bro. But we made this desision, cant live in the past. We have to make the best with him, and that is not hard to do. He is a hall of fame coach, whatever that's worth.

I just think firing him would be a mistake, worse than bringing him in was in the first place.

[Marvel]

Well not in my case 'Cats...and it is not a matter of "fire"...he (nor FHB) should have been brought in...neither is a long term solution...and if you're honest with yourself you know that not one player has really developed since LB has been here...

Yes...LB wants to win...but damn the franchise and "I'll only do it my way" and if the place stinks up while "I only do it my way" so what...:facepalm:

If I can't develop players they suck...and who cares if they play someplace else...as long as I "do it my way"...damn the talent...they "have to play my way" because I'm clueless as to how to fit anything concerning BB to anything other than "my way"...

Yes well...that is what we have...and he'll be here until he decides to leave...so please...do not get attached to any player...:o


Felton has not developed,DJ has gone backwards Crash...............well is Crash.He's rebounding better but to me that's no thanks to LB.Rebounding is all about effort and hustle which Crash has always had.Flip seems to be getting worse.Now DJ's getting DNPs WTF!!!!!!!! Flip has been playing like shit and he's still getting PT and he's rotating him at the point WTF!!!!!!! Flip is not a point guard he's a scorer he looks to score first before anything else and it takes a triple team to get the ball out of his hands.Then there's Steve Graham WTF!!!!!! is that about but excuse me what the fuck happened to Hendo what a waste of a draft pick,now we got 4 SG's WTF!!!!!!! is that about,and no backup for sorry ass Diaw:facepalm:

[BRNC]

I wanted Paul Silas bro. But we made this desision, cant live in the past. We have to make the best with him, and that is not hard to do. He is a hall of fame coach, whatever that's worth.
I just think firing him would be a mistake, worse than bringing him in was in the first place.

look...I know LB will not be fired...I've never said he'd be fired...and living in the past...not really...I'm living in the quagmire that is our team NOW...

What I've said was...I never would have fired Bernie (he was not a GM though) to bring in FHB or LB...

When LB decides he has screwed this team up as much as he can and decides to leave...I hope we make a better decision on the next coach...and LB (as far as being a HOF coach) may well be..but that and $2.00 will buy you a cup of coffee at this point...

[BETCATS]

look...I know LB will not be fired...I've never said he'd be fired...and living in the past...not really...I'm living in the quagmire that is our team NOW...

What I've said was...I never would have fired Bernie (he was not a GM though) to bring in FHB or LB...

When LB decides he has screwed this team up as much as he can and decides to leave...I hope we make a better decision on the next coach...and LB (as far as being a HOF coach) may well be..but that and $2.00 will buy you a cup of coffee at this point...

Bernie was ousted by MJ. Bernie shaped the team, MJ wanted to reshape the team. You cant have 2 artists creating a painting, so MJ forced Bernie out. I wish he was still here too but we gotta move on.

LB will leave, and as it is everywhere else, he will leave a mess. My point is to just be patient and let LB put things together and bring us to the playoffs. He isnt in the hall of fame for nothing.

[spectre]

LOL at Bernie and "artist" in the same line!

I wouldn't have fired Bernie to bring in the Idiot...but I don't know that he was really fired, just put into management guarding MJ's vacant office.

That move I 100% supported. Bernie was a terrible GM, a bad judge of talent and a sucky coach.

[BRNC]

If he keeps coaching this team as manically he has until now we are going to be damn lucky to make the playoffs...and I agree on MJ...but let me be clear...MJ was the one that gave into LB in the first draft (LB was here) and I don't think he did in the second...MJ seemed pleased (as I was) when the players went up-tempo on our four game run...now we are back to a "crawl" which in no way suits our personnel...and again I'll say...

If we are lucky enough to make the playoffs it will be despite LB...not because of him...

[teej]

Is it too early to bring this back up? I mean, hendo isn't playing, UPS isn't starting, TC and Diaw ARE starting, and we aren't running.

But what's all that when you're "Playing the Right Way" :fhb:

[GeraldWalrus]

No it's not too early to bring this back up. I meant to do it last night to be honest.

You lost the game against Dallas because, with 10 seconds left and 3 time outs available, you didn't call a goddamn one.

You lost the game against the Knicks because not only did you waste all your time outs, but you put in Acie fucking Law, who hasn't played real minutes all season, in during the FINAL FUCKING PLAY.

Larry, your credentials might be good, but look at YOURSELF in the mirror. Your making terrible decisions.

The starting line up should be based on WHO IS PERFORMING WELL, not WHO SUCKS YOUR DICK. I say ship out Boris, DJ, and Tyson to the Knicks for Curry, Harrington, and Robinson. I'm sure mathematically it works out, or it's pretty damn close, so do the damn thing. Get players to compliment Felton, Jax, and Wallace.

[Marvel]

I say within all reason HELL YEAH bring this thread back.If you're still playing TC and Diaw major minutes even though UPS and Nazr are playing a hell of a lot better something is wrong with you and you put in Acie Law in the final play that could potentially win the game you need mental therapy.
I look at other teams like Utah for example and what Sloan is doing.....he plays his players based on performance not because 5-6 years ago AK47 was an all star look at how his players have developed a la Millsap,Matthews,Brewer,Miles over the last 2-3 years.He gives his rookies confidence and trusts that they will give him productive minutes in return.Pop is another coach who develops his players extremely well,and then there's of course......Adelman.LB on the other hand.............well there is no development there i mean last season DJ was the only option he had so really.............really.ILBIT or ILBWF(In Larry Brown We Fail).

[Chrystos]

I will give my respect back to brown once he benches or trades TC and Diaw. Till then I think he is doing a pretty crappy job of coaching.

[BRNC]

I will give my respect back to brown once he benches or trades TC and Diaw. Till then I think he is doing a pretty crappy job of coaching.

Hard to call what he is doing right now "coaching" Chrystos...you are being nicer than me...

I'd call it a damned good imitation of a Fine Ham Biscuit...:rolleyes:

[teej]

Dave Hanners would likely make a good coach in the interim. He might even work out long term.

Avery Johnson (ESPN)
Byron Scott
Jeff Van Gundy (ESPN)
Maurice Cheeks (Asst. in OKC)
Mike Fratello (NBC/TNT/YES)
Paul Silas
Sam....Mitchell :D (was hired by the 'Cats in '04 before taking the Raps job)

Input, people?

[BRNC]

First...I don't see MJ "firing" LB...if anything happens it would be LB moved up to a consultant position...if that happened Hanners would be an obvious interim...as for your list...

There are guys I like personally but for me I'd look for an Adelman protege that is strong on "D" and uses any variation of the "Princeton" to take advantage of our athletes...and a guy with a proven record of developing young players...

The guys on your list (if we had no other choices) I guess I'd go with would be Silas or Van Gundy...

Teej...as far as Adelman guys I think T.R. Dunn has been with him the longest...Kings and Houston...he's supposed to be a good guy...knowledgeable...I have no clue what kind of Head Coach he'd make though...but I'm kinda tired of "retreads"...and Dunn (unlike FHB) has been an Asst. for many years...and if I'm not mistaken (and I could be) wasn't Dunn an Asst. here with the Hornets?

Hanners is ultimately an LB guy and I have doubts about him with young guys and anything in the way of "innovation" concerning our offense...

[BETCATS]

Please everyone calm down. Things can still go 1 of 2 ways:

1. We work things out. Its a long season, we are 26 games in and only -6 from .500. We never play our best basketball until AFTER the asg break. Its called "mid-season form" for a reason. I think we will make 1 more big trade before this season ends. And i think things will end well.


2. This season will be a failure, and painful. But Larry will leave. Whenever Larry leaves, train wrecks are occurring/train wrecks follow. If the TC-Gerald beef/Boris Diaw quiting is foreshadowing, their is a train wreck in site. I hope we can fix it before it comes to that/have faith we will, but if it does then Larry will leave, as he always does in this type of situation (which he also creates).


I am not sure if it is all the hype around this season or if it is just pure fear of failure, but a lot of you guys are panicking right now. We have almost all been here (rooting for the Bobcats/not necessarily on this forum) since day 1 and have faced hardship before. Lets not run away from it now. We need to be supportive of the team, not vindictive towards members of it.

[GoBobs]

I like Byron Scott or Silas

[Marvel]

What's Silas like in terms of player development?

[teej]

What's Silas like in terms of player development?

Can't judge from experience, but looking at his teams, he developed Brad Miller, Jamaal Magloire (sp?), Baron Davis, and others with the Hornets, and was LeBron's first coach.

[BRNC]

He is OK with young players...not great but OK...has a temper...but I think he has mellowed over the years....470 winning % but a couple of really bad San Diego Clippers teams taint his %...he'd be adequate and really wanted the job when FHB was hired...

Oh...take Van Gundy out Teej...I just remember him calling MJ a "con man"...he'd never get hired here...LOL

[kickazzz2000]

He is OK with young players...not great but OK...has a temper...but I think he has mellowed over the years....470 winning % but a couple of really bad San Diego Clippers teams taint his %...he'd be adequate and really wanted the job when FHB was hired...

Oh...take Van Gundy out Teej...I just remember him calling MJ a "con man"...he'd never get hired here...LOL

Van Gundy would be fun. Hes hilarious as a commentator.

I doubt he would work out, with the whole Jordan thing. Plus I don't know if he would want to be in the same division as his brother.

[BRNC]

Teej...you got me thinking about who (if I were GM) I'd really look at if I needed a replacement...my criteria has always centered on solid offense and defense...I think it is great to be in the top 5 teams defensively but does not help if you're in the bottom 3 offensive...I do like balance...the other is an ability to develop young players...Adelman is the closest Head Coach (IMO) to what I'd want...that said I'd look at some existing Asst. Coaches and D-League Head Coaches...Adelman and Karl (think I'm correct on this) both came from the old CBA so an existing D-League Head Coach has some appeal to me...

The guys you named above (that are prior Head Coaches) each has something that makes me totally indifferent to them but I'd interview three of them...so the guys I'd actually plan to interview (unless something negative came up about them and in no particular order) are:

Paul Silas
M. Cheeks
M. Fratello
T. R. Dunn.........Asst coach Houston
Nick Church........Head Coach Iowa Energy
Tom Thibodeau....Asst. Head Coach Boston

The thing for me (even before I'd interview anyone) would be to set a meeting with Adelman (and this is not at all unusual) and talk with him about guys that have worked with him over the years...their potential as head coaches...and his input on the six guys on my initial list...some of those guys I'm sure I'd knock off before I brought them in to interview...another coach I'd try to get the same type of input from would be G. Karl...

I like Van Gundy but no way MJ would hire him...LOL...but this is where I'd start...

...and I'll restate...I do not for a NY nanosecond think MJ would fire (or remove) LB...for better or worse I think we're stuck with him until he decides to walk...which in my view is never a good thing...everyone (FO, Coaches, and Players) need to be held accountable...

[teej]

^Do remember, Karl's contract is up at the end of the year, and he loves NC...

edit: two guys I thought of. Keith Smart in GSW, was a great D-league head coach and has done well as the interim when Nelson is sick, and also in GSW, Stephen Silas, Paul's son. He's been around the block awhile and might be better than his dad, and maybe brought Paul back as an assistant?

[BRNC]

I actually like Smart and thought of him but he will take over when they fire Nellie...means he does not have to relocate...

Silas son I know nothing about...

..and Karl is my second favorite coach so I know it will never happen...LOL

[Marvel]

I think LB has lost it, seriously..... how in the world is LB still playing Diaw heavy minutes despite Diaw playing like an ass.If LB had DJ in his doghouse how is Diaw not in his shithouse.....i don't understand LB's logic here.......what has Diaw got a special "French" pass or what.Also despite LB complaining about our bigs lacking effort (assuming he was talking about Diaw and TC) how are those 2 getting the same amount of minutes despite UPS and Nazr playing better in less minutes.
Fuck me LB has completely lost it....

[spectre]

Because we have no legit replacement for Boris. I do agree he could give UPS more burn...but I'm not at practice.

[teej]

Every player seems to have lost their confidence. I don't know where to place the blame but LB. We have the talent to make the playoffs, we showed that last year, so it's time to make a change.

Dave Hanners would likely make a good coach in the interim. He might even work out long term.

Avery Johnson (ESPN)
Byron Scott
Jeff Van Gundy (ESPN)
Maurice Cheeks (Asst. in OKC)
Mike Fratello (NBC/TNT/YES)
Paul Silas
Sam....Mitchell :D (was hired by the 'Cats in '04 before taking the Raps job)

And my dark horse...Stephanie Ready. :biggrin:

Bummmmmp.

My list this year includes Silas, Mitchell, Fratello, Hanners, Erik Spoelsta in a few weeks, Dwayne Casey, and Elston Turner

[ohara831]

As much as I am starting to wonder if LB is not trying to get fired, I dont see it happening. MJ will not want to pay LB his money and also have to hire a new Coach. Just let LB finish his contract up and let him go away. He is like a bad fart just lingering, but if you wait long enough, the smell will go away!

[teej]

As much as I am starting to wonder if LB is not trying to get fired, I dont see it happening. MJ will not want to pay LB his money and also have to hire a new Coach. Just let LB finish his contract up and let him go away. He is like a bad fart just lingering, but if you wait long enough, the smell will go away!

If Doug Collins can't last the season in Philly, I could see MJ letting LB go there...could be interesting, and we could rape them for someone LB hates.

[ajbry]

I will add my assent to this thread. He's been awful - no energy, bizarre and inexplicable rotations, and is drawing up and running some terrible plays. Time for some new blood.

[ohara831]

If Doug Collins can't last the season in Philly, I could see MJ letting LB go there...could be interesting, and we could rape them for someone LB hates.

I must admit, I like your thinking here. Very much so. Not necessarily firing him, but letting him take another job. And getting some compensation for it, too.

[Chef]

I must admit, I like your thinking here. Very much so. Not necessarily firing him, but letting him take another job. And getting some compensation for it, too.

wonder if we could get a 2012 1st (top ten protected, 2013 top 5, 2014 top 2, 2015 unprotected) for larry? he does have a long history of getting teams to the playoffs after 2 years. they may take it.

[BlockParty]

Bummmmmp.

My list this year includes Silas, Mitchell, Fratello, Hanners, Erik Spoelsta in a few weeks, Dwayne Casey, and Elston Turner

Silas was at the game tonight, maybe he slipped MJ his resume, problem is, he is just as old a Larry. Maybe Charles Oakley, MJ had him at the game tonight also...afterall, if Oakley told a player to do something...they'd listen. Somehow I would guess those two guys are too happy in retirement.

Tonight's game was more about woeful finishing at the basket which isn't the coaches fault. Especially in the first 3 quarters.

[teej]

I'd settle for a Larry, Gana + Eddie trade for Kapono and Songaila.

[Dunk]

LB doesnt have the horses, I dont know what people expect.

[Scottley Crue]

As much as I am starting to wonder if LB is not trying to get fired, I dont see it happening. MJ will not want to pay LB his money and also have to hire a new Coach. Just let LB finish his contract up and let him go away. He is like a bad fart just lingering, but if you wait long enough, the smell will go away!

I think we're seeing the "bad" Larry now. Two things almost always happen when you hire him...1) He leaves you in better shape than he found you; 2) The end is ugly. Unfortunately, since he wanted to leave this summer and couldn't, I'm beginning to believe we're entering the ugly phase. Which makes me wonder very heavily if he's not trying to force MJ's hand, too.

[Absinthe]

He doesn't have the players to win. I'd love to see him coach a Bobcats team that actually has some talent. Even if he gets the current group to play at 100% they're still only going to be a 7th seed at best.

[DY_nasty]

He doesn't have the players to win. I'd love to see him coach a Bobcats team that actually has some talent. Even if he gets the current group to play at 100% they're still only going to be a 7th seed at best.
That'd make sense if he was actually playing guys that could do something.

Don't play into Larry's bullshit. He keeps putting out lineups with absolutely no chance of producing. Last night for example, he ends the 1st half with Sherron Collins/Livingston/McGuire/Derrick Brown/Kwame

Now I know what you're thinking, 'Why doesn't he put Jackson or Gerald or at least Diaw into that lineup to give that pitiful mob SOME hope of not letting the game get away instantly?' - the answer is simple, you're not a hall of fame coach and grumble grumble grumble I hate DJ Augustin grumble grumble Henderson doesn't want to practice grumble grumble biscuits are too hard.

Thats on him. Thats him being the same senile asshat that New York, Philly, and Detroit hate and were all too happy to get rid of. Hall of Fame coach or not, he doesn't want to be here and its evident every time he parades Sherron Collins around like he's worth more than a box of nachos. Not only that, but he just makes absolutely retarded matchup assignments. Matt Carroll on Wade? Really? He is a Hall of Fame coach and when he cares, he's great, but he doesn't, so screw him.

This team doesn't even give a damn anymore or play defense at all until the 4th quarter.

[Absinthe]

That'd make sense if he was actually playing guys that could do something.

Don't play into Larry's bullshit. He keeps putting out lineups with absolutely no chance of producing. Last night for example, he ends the 1st half with Sherron Collins/Livingston/McGuire/Derrick Brown/Kwame

Now I know what you're thinking, 'Why doesn't he put Jackson or Gerald or at least Diaw into that lineup to give that pitiful mob SOME hope of not letting the game get away instantly?' - the answer is simple, you're not a hall of fame coach and grumble grumble grumble I hate DJ Augustin grumble grumble Henderson doesn't want to practice grumble grumble biscuits are too hard.

Thats on him. Thats him being the same senile asshat that New York, Philly, and Detroit hate and were all too happy to get rid of. Hall of Fame coach or not, he doesn't want to be here and its evident every time he parades Sherron Collins around like he's worth more than a box of nachos. Not only that, but he just makes absolutely retarded matchup assignments. Matt Carroll on Wade? Really? He is a Hall of Fame coach and when he cares, he's great, but he doesn't, so screw him.

This team doesn't even give a damn anymore or play defense at all until the 4th quarter.

Any other coach, and the Bobcats would not have even sniffed the playoffs last year (besides masters like Pop and Sloan). He had that team playing the best they could have possibly played. It's like I said, the team lacks overall talent. They have one of the worst starting centers in the league, two players that make one another redundant, a questionable bench, an inexperienced starting point guard, and an over-the-hill, overweight frenchman. He can works wonders, but not miracles.

I'll agree he doesn't want to be here, but who would? The team is in shambles.

[BETCATS]

Enough is enough. Right now we are the worst team in the NBA. We have been blown out by teams under .500 multiple times. I understand Wallace being injured is part of the problem but Dominic McGuire is not part of the solution. That is just one of the many flaws to be found with LB's coaching. The list goes on and on but it is painful to say and I have strong urges to use certain words to describe it.

This is coming from the same guy who laughed at all the biter fans last year and told them to wait. Something needs to be done NOW.


Viva La Revolucion?

[Twan's Kin]

It's interesting that LB is blaming himself for the Washington blowout and the team's poor playing.

[Marvel]

He doesn't have the players to win. I'd love to see him coach a Bobcats team that actually has some talent. Even if he gets the current group to play at 100% they're still only going to be a 7th seed at best.

That's nice and all....till you realise these are LB's players.

I can't believe MJ actually believed we would make the playoffs with this roster. I said it before the season started that we weren't any good to begin with. You CANNOT get away with letting talent walk out the door without replacing it....Felton,TC not to mention our depth.

[G-Force]

Is it possible to demote a HC? This way LB would have no choice but to leave on his own to save the embarrassment and we wouldn't have to paid the compensation.

The fans have given up on him, and now the players too... I think it's time for MJ to realize it as well.

[SWedd523]

#BreakingNews @bobcats Chairman & CEO #MichaelJordan announced #LarryBrown is stepping down as head coach.



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[Marvel]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSS SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

What timing, as soon as i change my title to "TRADE LARRY BROWN".....this beautiful wonderful news comes up.....
AAHHHHHHHH EXCELLENTO

[G-Force]

What?!!! Time to turn this season around!

[Fred Williamson]

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[Ghost Kat]

I hope we get what we wanted, We asked 4 this