View Full Version : Clippers/Bobcats trade idea...
coachcdobbs
11-23-2009, 05:54 PM
Alright, I know there will be some people here who hate this trade because it involves trading crash. As far as I am concerned, on a 35 win team there isnt an untradeable player. Gerald Wallace has had a lot of time here to be the centerpiece and ya know, its not working.
Bobcats get:
Marcus Camby ($9.15 Mil. and an expiring contract)
Baron Davis ($12.1 Mil. and 4 years left)
Clippers get:
Gerald Wallace ($9.5 Mil. and 3 years left)
DJ Augustin ($2.4 Mil. and 2 years left)
Tyson Chandler($11.7 Mil. and 2 years left)
The trade gives us a few things. We get to get rid of Chandler who I said from the beginning was overrated and only an all-star because of Chris Paul in NO. We get rid of DJ who is an undersized pg who has a tendency to dribble the ball too much and is a defensive liability. We also get rid of Gerald Wallaces contract. I like him fine, but if he is our #1 guy, then we arent going anywhere. As far as the way it helps us it give us two things. We have a REAL inside prescence who is a defensive minded big guy and can help us out for the remainder of the season. Then that money is freed up in the offseason. It also give us a bigger PG who can score and who is also a good defensive player averaging over 2 steals per game. Do I like that contract being 4 more years... debateable.
Here is what our lineup would like like:
PG - Baron Davis
SG - Stephen Jackson
SF - Boris Diaw
PF - Derrick Brown
C - Marcus Camby
The only thing is that I would love to improve at the 4 position. I think Derrick Brown has a good bit of talent and could play big for us, but is he a starter? He has to play better D than Diaw. I think the trade also gives us a chance to give Gerald Henderson more blow during the game. We have to see what he can do, and 3 minutes a game just isnt gonna cut it. He was the #12 pick in the draft. You draft people so that they can help you, so lets give him that opportunity.
I know its a different sort of an idea. But I am interested to hear some thoughts.
Not a bad idea. Wasn't BD a fan favorite in the QC when he played here?
Also, for the PF issues, I added in Lex for us and Craig Smith for them. IDK if they'd do it, but it makes it a lot easier to do for me.
Marvel
11-23-2009, 06:25 PM
Couldn't agree more about TC but about Camby being a "REAL" inside presence i assume you mean defensively. He's not a low post threat but he can hit the occasional 12-15ft out.This would also mean benching Felton which is a brilliant idea because you know what ESPN were right(once) Felton is a backup at best, a very good one but a backup nonetheless.
dav7z
11-23-2009, 06:48 PM
Its no way in hell i would want to take on BDs contract right now. Talk about handcuffing us . I like BD but hes ageing out and his contract really sucks . Camby would be a rental just like TC .
So to me it looks like we giving up two pieces of value for no real value in return.
I might consider DJ , Wallace for Kamann and fillers
So to me it looks like we giving up two pieces of value for no real value in return.
Crash and?
dav7z
11-23-2009, 08:48 PM
Crash and?
Come on teej DJ decent value . You know that.
Try this a little less invested .
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/62957/20091123/bass_losing_minutes_with_lewis_back/
Bass and Foyle for DJ and Lexy
Orlando does this to keep team chenristy and truble from starting in the locker room.
They all so do it as Insurance for Nelson , He might be back in four more weaks . But it might take all season for him to be able to cut and trust the leg again.
Charlotte does it to get the p/f to back up Diaw, All so can play while Nazz is on the beanch while Diaw plays the five .
Makes a slid back up - starter for the next three years at 4 milion a year
^Maybe, but we can't do it till Dec. 15th I think.
And DJ only has value to others. He's shit for us.
SWedd523
11-23-2009, 09:14 PM
We need to do something with the Blazers. http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/62954/20091123/mcmillan_blazers_need_bodies/
Przybilla, Blake, Webster for Crash, Nazr, Graham ?
Przybilla, Blake, Webster for Crash, Nazr, Graham ?
Don't like it at all. Sorry.
BETCATS
11-23-2009, 09:17 PM
I love everybody on here, but these are all crazy ideas.
Lets not blow up this current team, if what they did in Indy was any indication of what is to come, it would be very bad to destroy it and start over again.;)
SWedd523
11-23-2009, 09:27 PM
Don't like it at all. Sorry.
Przybilla is just as good as Nazr. Blake fixes our PG problems. And room is opened for Flip and Hendo to get PT with Webster.
Oh well
Przybilla is just as good as Nazr. Blake fixes our PG problems. And room is opened for Flip and Hendo to get PT with Webster.
Yet we lose Crash for pretty much a marginal improvement (if an improvement at all). I don't want to do that.
Scottley Crue
11-23-2009, 09:31 PM
We need to do something with the Blazers. http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/62954/20091123/mcmillan_blazers_need_bodies/
Przybilla, Blake, Webster for Crash, Nazr, Graham ?
I like this idea very much. I think Blake is a solid, smart, good-shooting PG that can really help us. I've always liked Przybilla, a real tough big guy that this team needs. Webster is a solid 2, which allows Jack to play the 3, which I think is more natural for him. If Portland could be convinced to do that, it wouldn't take me long to get the paperwork ready.
coachcdobbs
11-23-2009, 09:32 PM
The thing with a lot of those ideas are that we are getting role players. We dont need any more role players! We need a #1 option. BD might be on maybe the backside, he is 30. And when his contract is over he will be 34, but Jax will also be 34 when his contract is over if I remember right.
I dont know if Charlotte really has what it takes to aquire a big name through free agency. We are probably going to have to do it through trades. We do not need to trade Crash and some role players for more role players. The problem is that were not very good offensively (being kind) and in a must score situation we just do not have a go-to guy. We arent terrible defensively and for a time we were #1 in the league in PPG allowed. At some point Charlotte needs to get really serious about getting that #1 guy. Do I think this trade is it... not necessarily. But we get a good PG, a center for at least this year, and we clear some room so that maybe later on (sooner than later) we can aquire a top tier player via trade and taking on some salary.
Marvel
11-23-2009, 09:53 PM
Przybilla is just as good as Nazr. Blake fixes our PG problems. And room is opened for Flip and Hendo to get PT with Webster.
Oh well
Przybilla is twice the rebounder and shot blocker Nazr is............kidding me.
i like the idea of getting Camby, he can play the 4 and 5 but not with BD involved
polarcat
11-24-2009, 10:00 AM
no thx on the original trade idea. we lose our best player, our best young player and the emeka okafor return for two old vets that do nothing to help our salary situation. pass.
Toocool
11-24-2009, 10:23 AM
Davis is way past his prime. Perhaps if he was 25 years old, but now no way. 4 years and 65 million is something BJ wouldn't want to bring on board.
Dcarnys
11-24-2009, 11:47 AM
Without his contract, I wouldn't mind taking on BD.
rsxnova
11-24-2009, 03:50 PM
I would send Crash to the Clippers if we could get Eric Gordon.
Chrystos
11-24-2009, 04:59 PM
This trade would sure make us better (NBA trade machine says +12 wins for us) but it would sure make us a bit older. :g:
SWedd523
11-24-2009, 07:40 PM
i would send crash to the clippers if we could get eric gordon.
this this this this this this!
I would send Crash to the Clippers if we could get Eric Gordon.
the clippers may be stupid but i doubt they are this stupid. also, they are not giving up any cap space, particularly at the 3 if there is a snowballs chance of winning the bron bron sweeps.
Why all the "trade Wallace" talk? Why in the world would we want to deal him at this point?
GoBobs
11-29-2009, 10:48 AM
Wallace is not for sale at any price.
Why would we want barron Davis if there was an empty spot in our backcourt we could just get ai for nothing.
Marcus Camby is to old we would rather have TC who is playing really well at the moment and is much younger then Marcus Camby.
Fred Williamson
11-29-2009, 12:54 PM
Eric Gordon is trash. Just because he's 21 and averages 18ppg that doesn't mean he could be our saviour. Apart from that, we have Jax at the 2, who's much bigger than Gordon and of course a better defender.
SWedd523
11-29-2009, 01:48 PM
Eric Gordon is trash. Just because he's 21 and averages 18ppg that doesn't mean he could be our saviour. Apart from that, we have Jax at the 2, who's much bigger than Gordon and of course a better defender.
Eric Gordon, trash? :fighting::fighting::fighting::fighting:
:facepalm:
murphman
11-29-2009, 01:53 PM
Based on the way this team has turned things around and started to gel, the only three players I think they should consider parting with are Acie, Graham and Diop and I doubt there is much of a market for them even if two of those contracts are expiring. Maybe Acie could get us a 2nd round pick in a future draft to a team who is riddled with injuries at PG position. Graham probably has little value when you consider other G/F's on the market like Stackhouse who would only cost a few hundered thousand more but still have the same cap hit. However Graham's contract is non guaranteed which may make him slightly attractive to a team needing very short term relief.
Diop appears to be trash and/or in LB's doghouse just like Nazr was last season. Not sure if he can contribute to this team and that contract is a major ball and chain.
I would even keep Anjica right now since we are in trouble if Diaw gets injured (and he still looks to be tender on that ankle).
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