View Full Version : (Somewhat Obvious) RUMOR: Bobcats looking for a Big
jdsingar
11-30-2009, 02:09 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski of Y! Sports is reporting that the Bobcats are in search of a big, but not finding any do-able deals. It seems that they've been looking for a PF since the offseason, so this should come as no surprise.
Anyone want to speculate on possible suitors? Our best trade bait?
I for one would love to see a Jason Thompson for D.J. Augustin swap. We would probably have to give up more than that to get him, though.
Source:
http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2009/11/30/1179094/rumor-warriors-and-bobcats-looking
Ghost Kat
11-30-2009, 02:23 PM
I saw today on the news that the Cat's aren't for sell anymore. No one wanted to pay the 300 million $ price tag, So we are still stuck with Bob Johnson.
:mad:
Weezy21
11-30-2009, 02:24 PM
as much as i want thompson, i highly dont they would give him up...
id trade diaw, dj, an lexy to be honest...but as of right now i think he's untouchable...i mean look at the dudes numbers
We missed Thompson in the draft...do not look for the Kings to trade him..
The package I see us trading for a PF are DJ and AA...and to be honest I just don't know what that can/will bring...there are only a couple of teams with real interest in DJ (Portland and the Kings) that I'm aware but I do not see a good (realistic) trade match with either...with that said...we may not make any more trades because we just don't have a good match (for what we're willing to trade) with any obvious partners...
Diaw...same situation...you're talking a very narrow market (teams) that want his skill set so it really limits what you can get...I'd have no trouble with him leaving but in his case I have doubts about the value you'd bring back...
I think our best chance is to wait it out...see what team is willing to do a "dump" that either of these options would appeal...and stay away from bad contracts (Brand for sure) as "quick fix feel-good" type trades...
Jax is a long term solution (IMO) and if we make another deal I think that is the direction (long term) we need to go...and in that regard I'd see either of these bringing back a serviceable PF (depending on the skill) with a first round pick if the PF is just a back-up type player...but if it is a back-up type player than trading Diaw would not really be the option...
BETCATS
11-30-2009, 03:39 PM
I agree with this. While i dont want any more major moves, we really do need a good Power Forward. Diaw's production issues are due to injuries, and we need a guy who can start for us while Diaw comes off the bench until he sorts things out.
I am pretty sure we are showcasing DJ right now. He is getting a lot of minutes, but due to the fact that when he plays it is for a long stretch, then he sits, then he plays another long stretch instead of even distrubution of minutes throughout all 4 quaters, i think he is being showcased.
DJ still has a lot of value, but we MUST trade Diop away with him. Getting out of his contract is about as essential as getting a back up power forward. Also, burning bridges with Lexy might be a good idea. I havent given up on him yet, but i dont see much promise in him.
Some names we could possibly end up with due to their contracts/unhappy situations:
Elton Brand
Al Harrington
Brandon Bass
Glen Davis
David West
Anthony Randolph
Josh Boone
Sean Williams
I think it "wishful thinking" on our part to even toy with the idea of getting Diop off the books...unless of course we want an even worse contract...Brand would fit that bill...Randolf is not going anywhere (if he was we would already have him) and no thanks to S. Williams...
The others on your list could each bring something different but...Harrington would bring a bad contract from the Knicks...I don't think we have to offer what it will take to get Booz...and the others...I've no mention that they are being shopped in any way (Boone might be an exception) so you end up overpaying...
If talking back-up only...M.Moore might be an option but if we did DJ and AA for him I'd want their first and I doubt we can get it...
jdsingar
11-30-2009, 04:29 PM
If we're trying to package Diop with Augustin, we can't expect much. I agree that this would be ideal though. If we could get an expiring big that will contribute off the bench AND get Diop off the books it will help us short term and long term.
SWedd523
11-30-2009, 04:49 PM
Elton Brand (Brand, Thad Young, and a pick for Diaw, Augustin, Diop)
Al Harrington (Diaw for Harrington and a pick)
Brandon Bass (Bass, Pietrus, and Redick for Diaw and Acie or Augustin)
Glen Davis (Only thing I could come up with is Lexy and Acie for Davis)
David West (Diaw and Lexy for West)
Anthony Randolph (Lexy for Randolph)
Josh Boone (Lexy for Boone)
Sean Williams (Lexy for Williams)
Those are the only workable/likeable trades I could come up with without 3rd parties. Some I like (Brand, Harrington), some I don't (Bass, Davis), and some are pipe dreams (Randolph and possibly West)
polarcat
11-30-2009, 05:05 PM
personally, i like ups coming off the bench at the 4 spot. at first i wasn't a fan because i thought he was too undersized and more of a tweener between sf and pf. now though, i'd rather package diaw and dj (lexy if need be) to get a starting pf. if we have to throw in a 2nd rounder, done. diaw is good but he's showing his erratic skills that other fans warned us of. he'd be good off the bench, but i don't want to take brown's minutes away. i love the lefty as a back up and diaw added to dj would net us more. i'm still in the "keep dj and unload felton" camp, but i've learned that felts getting traded is next to impossible.
Problem with trading Diaw 'cat is getting actual value...and I'm the one that was/is most opposed to him being here...but he is valuable...his contract will scare too many teams away...and making him a 6th man...we end up with the same crap attitude that got him shipped out from the Suns...I think the only way we win any trade with Diaw is if we include DJ...but it would have to be real value because they both have their strong points...Booz and a first might do the trick for me...but short of that...kinda doubt it...
ammofan
11-30-2009, 05:37 PM
Maybe we r gonna pull off a deal soon so thats why we sent AA down?
Woodsy23
11-30-2009, 05:40 PM
Maybe we r gonna pull off a deal soon so thats why we sent AA down?
fingers crossed would love to see a decent PF here. i think atm its by far our weakest pos with felton playing okay and even naz n TC are doing well at center
Toocool
12-01-2009, 12:25 AM
I believe a tall lineup of Naz and Chandler starting would be quite interesting. It's when Chandler or Naz gets in foul trouble that would be the problem. UPS can back up 4, no problem. Kid can really play. It's center thats the problem. Diop brings absolutely nothing to the offensive side of the court, and although he can block and rebound, that's all he's good for. However, I would be willing to try a Naz/Chandler starting 4. It would be pretty interesting.
I for one wouldn't take on David West. He's only that good I believe because of CP3.
polarcat
12-01-2009, 06:56 AM
Agreed BRNC and I would be all over the Boozer trade you mentioned. As for the Chandler/Nazzy line up, I wouldn't mind seeing that. I'm hoping TC's foul woes are because that his foot isn't fully healed yet and he's a step behind. Since his first couple of games he's improved steadily. Maybe he tried to come back too early. His defense and rebounding is definitely there though.
I for one wouldn't take on David West. He's only that good I believe because of CP3.
I disagree. West has a great mid range game that would translate to any nba team.
I would be all for a deal that netted us David West or Elton Brand if we were able to include Diop in the deal.
As for Boozer, I have been for trading for him for years now and think that he would be the perfect compliment to our current roster. If we could deal for him, and get out from under Diop's contract, I really think that would be a best case scenerio.
Guys...I'd love to get rid of Diop and his contract...with a shrinking cap we can forget it...we'll never make a trade again if that (contract) has to be included...Booz would be great but I'd still only do it (since he'd probably walk after this year) if we got a first with him...and Utah has traded theirs...and no way they let that unprotected from NY go...and I think it would take way more than we should/could give to get West...
I'm looking at reasonable back-ups (in the M. Moore and J. Boone) which is about all I expect we can get...and anything like that which also brings a first I'm pretty much for...it is also easier to get a "back-up" up to speed than a starter so would not impact the team as much...
I'd rather wait for the off-season (since I think the team will have more respect) to cahnge a starter...just my opinion...
PS...I know Swede and I disagree on this one...but I would not take Brand (because of that contract a his "injured every other game" likelihood of injury) for free...injured guys with huge contracts do you no good...
spectre
12-01-2009, 11:04 AM
DJ for Carl Landry?
From the RGM Trade Board:
Make Morey and the Rockets an offer. No one is off limits. (http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=962905#p21423443)
obviously we're looking to trade for a 1 or a 5. i think we've pretty much got the wings covered. we have a couple of rookies plus scola or landry. that plus brooks or lowry should land us a nice big.
we also have mac's expiring, with the economy the way it is, i'm sure there's a team who wants a 23 million expiring. would like to get a couple of young rotational players.
FWIW Landry has a PER of 17.7 so far this season (vs. DJ's 14.9) and is averaging 16 ppg & 6 boards in 26 minutes.
Landry would be a great addition IMO...but I do not see them trading him...especially with Scola hurt...and my fear with them is (they really need a 5) they'll want Nazzy included and I'm not willing to do that...I doubt they'd take DJ and AA for Landry but it would not hurt to try...but that is all I'd give them...anything else would hurt us...
Muttley
12-01-2009, 11:20 AM
Landry would be a great addition IMO...but I do not see them trading him...especially with Scola hurt...and my fear with them is (they really need a 5) they'll want Nazzy included and I'm not willing to do that...I doubt they'd take DJ and AA for Landry but it would not hurt to try...but that is all I'd give them...anything else would hurt us...
What do you think DJ and Diop would get us?
Maybe Landry + some of their crap?
spectre
12-01-2009, 11:43 AM
What do you think DJ and Diop would get us?
Maybe Landry + some of their crap?
Thing is they don't have any crap. We could throw in Lex and not take anything else back, but I'm not so sure that's a positive for them.
The best "package" we can offer is DJ and AA without hurting the team...and without taking garbage back (as in trying to insist Diop be included)...teams that have a real interest in DJ will be fine with it since they will not be trading a "big" for a small (with AA included)...I just don't know/think Houston is one of those teams with interest in DJ...again...the only ones I've heard are Kings and Trail Blazers and they do not appear to be good trade partners...but yea...I'd like Landry here just don't see it happening...or Booz...or anyone of any real consequence...so I keep looking at small deals (M. Moore) that might get us a first also...but I think even that will be hard to pull off...
amour217
12-01-2009, 12:31 PM
The best "package" we can offer is DJ and AA without hurting the team...and without taking garbage back (as in trying to insist Diop be included)...teams that have a real interest in DJ will be fine with it since they will not be trading a "big" for a small (with AA included)...I just don't know/think Houston is one of those teams with interest in DJ...again...the only ones I've heard are Kings and Trail Blazers and they do not appear to be good trade partners...but yea...I'd like Landry here just don't see it happening...or Booz...or anyone of any real consequence...so I keep looking at small deals (M. Moore) that might get us a first also...but I think even that will be hard to pull off...
you said package
ohara831
12-01-2009, 12:58 PM
DJ for Carl Landry?
From the RGM Trade Board:
Make Morey and the Rockets an offer. No one is off limits. (http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=962905#p21423443)
FWIW Landry has a PER of 17.7 so far this season (vs. DJ's 14.9) and is averaging 16 ppg & 6 boards in 26 minutes.
Carl Landry on this team would give me hopes of not just making the Playoffs, but advancing beyond the 1st round. Man if we pull that off, I think I'd crap my pants!
DJ and AA work (trade checker) for Landry...I see it as a valid (fair) deal for both teams...but I have no idea how Houston will value Landry...and I doubt they give us a first back...maybe not even a second...so two first round picks for a second seems very unbalanced...and AA has potential (nothing but) and he may only need a change of scenery to get the fact he needs to work hard into his very thick head...still...I'd only do it with a pick (even a second) coming back to us...DJ would be very good in Adelmans offense...
rsxnova
12-01-2009, 01:29 PM
I am not interested in trading DJ unless it is for a young PF with the potential to be our starter. We need to do what it takes to get JT.
spectre
12-01-2009, 01:35 PM
DJ and AA work (trade checker) for Landry...I see it as a valid (fair) deal for both teams...but I have no idea how Houston will value Landry...and I doubt they give us a first back...maybe not even a second...so two first round picks for a second seems very unbalanced...and AA has potential (nothing but) and he may only need a change of scenery to get the fact he needs to work hard into his very thick head...still...I'd only do it with a pick (even a second) coming back to us...DJ would be very good in Adelmans offense...
Not me...straight up and no take backs.
You'd have to figure it'd add at least 5 wins and maybe more. We can handle losing a backup PG due to Flip and Jax, esp. since it covers our weakest spot.
Prior draft position don't mean squat either. After Morrison and May we can't afford to worry about past mistakes. Remember we are "win now" all the way.
Weezy21
12-01-2009, 01:39 PM
The package I see us trading for a PF are DJ and AA
my question to everybody is....if we trade dj, does that mean yall wanna sign felton in the offseason?? cuz i DO NOT...would u rather sign flip to a longer deal an have him run the point?? cuz there arent any good PGs in this free agent class
spectre
12-01-2009, 01:45 PM
my question to everybody is....if we trade dj, does that mean yall wanna sign felton in the offseason?? cuz i DO NOT...would u rather sign flip to a longer deal an have him run the point?? cuz there arent any good PGs in this free agent class
Does it look like DJ could take over and run the point if we let Felton walk?
DJ or keeping Felton isn't the only options...but right now given just those two choices I wouldn't be taking DJ.
Ampsportsduo
12-01-2009, 01:53 PM
and my fear with them is (they really need a 5) they'll want Nazzy included and I'm not willing to do that...
First time that's ever been stated on BCP? He is playing well, just hard to imagine someone saying that even a month ago.
The team failed to seal the deal with Sheed and/or Bass in the off-season and that's why we're stuck here. As I much as I don't like to criticize LB, the team's lack of salary cap savvy is to me the one glaring weakness of the FO. The other problem with scoring 4's is you probably only want half of the good ones on this team, because the others are either a) vortexes that stop ball movement b) not the least bit interested in playing defense and/or c) have contracts that would force a big piece to be included.
The only way I see Landry possibly moving is if it was part of a T-Mac salary dump where the Rockets received oodles and Landry was used to bring in a third team. His contract and play is just too good to let him get away for table scraps.
Ampsportsduo
12-01-2009, 01:56 PM
my question to everybody is....if we trade dj, does that mean yall wanna sign felton in the offseason?? cuz i DO NOT...would u rather sign flip to a longer deal an have him run the point?? cuz there arent any good PGs in this free agent class
It all depends on the price tag. Felton has played well and seems to play much better when he has a fellow facilitator in the backcourt with him. Seeing how well he's played with Jack, it makes sense now that he (and the team) were successful with the Raymond/DJ backcourt (not that I advocate that as a longterm solution).
Ray is playing well enough...and I do not see DJ as a long term solution with our offense...that being said he is a good player and would be a good fit with Houston...and DJ with AA is not what I'd call table scraps...but again...no one really knows what Houston (other than the vague 1 or 5 you here) wants...and for us specifically...what it would take to get Landry...but the most I offer is DJ ans AA...anything else hurts us (including the bench) and causes another hole...Flip and Jax make this possible...Diop does not make Nazzy expendable IMO...
spectre
12-01-2009, 02:13 PM
The issue I see with DJ will always be his (lack of ) defense. Unless we get a new coach with an entirely different philosophy where O > D he's just not going to fit here.
And even if we did get a new coach...too be sure he wouldn't be foolish enough to mess with a top defensive team enough to where it would be ignored.
BRNC agreed on Nazr...and I'm VERY happy to say that.
Not me...straight up and no take backs.
You'd have to figure it'd add at least 5 wins and maybe more. We can handle losing a backup PG due to Flip and Jax, esp. since it covers our weakest spot.
Prior draft position don't mean squat either. After Morrison and May we can't afford to worry about past mistakes. Remember we are "win now" all the way.
Prior means something if you're trading out value...and DJ is value...AA is potential only but that should not be pooh-poohed either...and if we do not learn from our past mistakes (as an organization) we keep making them...no way I overpay for Landry or anyone else for that matter...
I'm fine sitting pat rather than overpaying...and since we are at the point where desperate teams start to get involved I'm definitely more of the "wait and see" what is available than trying to manufacture (and overpay) for a trade...
SWedd523
12-01-2009, 02:54 PM
I don't know how I feel about any Boozer trades to be honest because the man is a black hole on defense and he would probably not return next year. I'd rather trade for a younger big and put him in a backup role to Diaw and then let the young guy take over when he's ready (Though, I don't have a problem with trading Diaw either as long as the return is nice).
BRNC, I don't know why you think I am, but I'm not on the Brand-wagon. The only way I'd bring his huge contract to town is if we unload Diop. Something Like Diaw/Diop/Lexy (or Acie) for Brand/Thad Young would be the only thing I'd seriously consider. I'm just not convinced that he's back to his old form just yet.
I'd do the DJ--Thompson swap in a heartbeat. Put that shit on the table and get it done. I'd also do the DJ/Lexy for Landry swap.
Somebody on the RealGM trade board asked for offers for Jeff Green, as they're looking for a defensive/rebounding C in return. Who'd do: Tyson/DJ/Lexy for Green/Kristic/Collison ? I've liked Kristic's game ever since he played for the Nets and he would be a nice option for us at C. Since we're looking for bigs, they'd be horny for getting three in this deal.
Ray/Flip/Acie
Jack/Bo/Flip
Crash/UPS/Graham
Diaw/Green/Collison
Kristic/Nazr/Diop
I'd even put Diaw in a trade: Tyson/Diaw/Lexy for Green/Kristic/Collison/Thomas (7mil expiring) just so Green could start.
I've always liked Collison...very under rated for all he does...not sure 'bout Krystic (sp)...he's OK but fouls too much and really does not play great defense...but it is a thought...
Somebody on the RealGM trade board asked for offers for Jeff Green, as they're looking for a defensive/rebounding C in return. Who'd do: Tyson/DJ/Lexy for Green/Kristic/Collison ? I've liked Kristic's game ever since he played for the Nets and he would be a nice option for us at C. Since we're looking for bigs, they'd be horny for getting three in this deal.
Ray/Flip/Acie
Jack/Bo/Flip
Crash/UPS/Graham
Diaw/Green/Collison
Kristic/Nazr/Diop
I'd even put Diaw in a trade: Tyson/Diaw/Lexy for Green/Kristic/Collison/Thomas (7mil expiring) just so Green could start.
I'd do the first trade in a hot second. tyson is trash, lexy is 7'3" waste and dj is the only talent going out. green is a great talent and would fit in great as the third option here (no way ok deals him (too good for what they are getting back) and is a great off court friend of kd). but playing along with the scenario, we can get much more than thomas for diaw.
Muttley
12-01-2009, 05:18 PM
Thing is they don't have any crap. We could throw in Lex and not take anything else back, but I'm not so sure that's a positive for them.
This works on the ESPN Checker:
Diop and DJ
For
Landry and Brian Cook
(According to ESPN, they have a trade exception which they can use to cover DJ's salary in the trade.)
I know little about Cook, but by his minutes and games played this season it doesn't look like they want him.
spectre
12-01-2009, 06:21 PM
Cook is an expiring though. Gana's extra years would be the issue.
SWedd523
12-01-2009, 06:29 PM
Cook is an expiring though. Gana's extra years would be the issue.
Definitely. I doubt they'd take on Diop and his retarded contract.
Ampsportsduo
12-01-2009, 06:39 PM
If I was Houston's GM, there's no way I trade a PF averaging 16 points, a tremendous FT shooter and a hustle guy for DJ and Diop.
Diop's inferior to Landry in every way with the exception of the shot blocking aspect and DJ is a poor man's Aaron Brooks, who already plays on your team.
Landry's contract is great while Diop's contract is atrocious. There's no upside for them in this trade other than bringing a native son home.
Chrystos
12-01-2009, 06:50 PM
Hey I got an idea. How about Diop for Tony Battie. :g:
I think everyone that is including Diop in trade scenarios needs to forget it if they ever want to make a trade...we're stuck with him...and can only hope (osmosis maybe) that he gets better before his sorry contract ends...even so...I still think (without hurting the team) all we have to offer is DJ and AA together...and like Amp...I'm just not sure (with DJ playing so crappy) that these two (without adding $2.00) would even bring a cup of coffee...and I'll say again...I think DJ has talent but man it really is not showing this year...
Someone else mentioned (don't remember who) that it looks like we're showcasing him for a trade...but if you were a GM with another team would you be impressed enough with what you've seen this year to send out a talented PF for DJ and AA...? Any other player (sorry throw Graham in there also) than these three creates a hole...and what team is going to trade a good, all-around, banger-type PF for Diaw...and even trading Diaw still leaves us needing a back-up...
I still think the best we do is DJ and AA for a reasonable back-up and try to get a first round pick...then draft a PF...there are good ones in this draft...I just don't think we'll have a better option...
chabber
12-02-2009, 09:39 AM
but if you were a GM with another team would you be impressed enough with what you've seen this year to send out a talented PF for DJ and AA...?
Exactly, even some of the worst GM's in the league would pick up on this. With a GM like Morey there is pretty much no chance we could get Landry for DJ and AA. Especially when they already have a small PG like Brooks who is much better than DJ and Lowry on the roster like what sportsduo said.
Speaking of Morey if I could choose GM from the entire league to run the Cats I'd take him and his staff no question.
...at the moment I see Rod making good draft picks (Hendo and UPS)...a good trade for Jax...what I do not see is LB doing either of these things now...so at this point I'm giving Rod the benefit of the doubt...if he is now allowed to do his job (our last draft and the Jax trade) I have no problem with him...
What I also see is the fact we have not made a bad trade this year...but as an organization we are at a cross roads...no one can find any post where I've advocated "blowing up the team" because I've never been on that train...and I'm still not...
What we have is a team with talent in desperate need of a solid all-around PF...no one is going to give that to us...all we have to trade (without hurting the team) is DJ, AA, and S. Graham...again...I think the best Rod can do (IMO) is get a reasonable back-up PF and a first...if he pulls that off I'm fine with it because with what he has to deal I see nothing better myself...and I'm 100% against bringing back a worse contract than we already have (Diop) as in E. Brand...that could hamstring this franchise for four years...
We all need to consider this...with solid pieces here: (Crash, Jax, Ray, Nazzy, UPS, Hendo) there will be appeal to guys this off-season that was not there last off-season...IMO we get by this year...go to the play-offs and we are a more attractive destination...especially for a PF that will know they can get time on a playoff team...so if Rod can pull a first out of his hat and give up no more than I've said...and get a reasonable back-up PF in the process..I'm good with it...
how bout C Wilcox or J Powell they could be decent backups and they're (i think) on 1yr deals. might not have to give up much to aquire them just a thought though
Marvel
12-02-2009, 08:06 PM
how bout C Wilcox or J Powell they could be decent backups and they're (i think) on 1yr deals. might not have to give up much to aquire them just a thought though
Believe me both their IQ's would not be able to last 1 minute grasping the LB system.They have certain skills but they would be rendered useless in LB's system.
I know a lot of people on here have been drooling for Brandon Bass and so have i, dude is only 24,has a fair amount of upside(more than Diaw) finishes strong,bangs, got BALLS,rebounds won't get pushed around like Diaw does he's a classic power forward.Thing is i've tried to work out a trade on ESPN TM but he can't be traded till Dec 15th even then i can't figure out a trade scenario where Orlando will accept the trash that we have or make it work cap wise.Not to mention if we included Diaw in a package we still need a backup for his replacement.In any case Brandon Bass would immediately make us better than Diaw in the starting lineup.
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