Potential Trade Partners...

[BRNC]

Many of us have concerns regarding PF...starter or back-up...and everyone in the league (since we know) knows we are looking in that direction...one of the things I've hoped (if we make a trade) would come back to us is a first round pick since we have a deep draft with lots of "bigs"...

Four teams have multiple first round picks that could be made available to us if we traded with one of those teams...I'm not going to argue for or against any specific trade...I'm just trying to realistically look for options that could: 1) get us a first round pick in this draft:
2) not disrupt the team chemistry/strength/bench:
3) bring back (at least) a solid back-up PF:

The teams...

Memphis has their #1 and the LAL#1...
Minnesota has Utah #1, our #1...their #1 to LAC but top 10 protected...
New Jersey has their#1 and Dallas #1...
OKC has their #1 and Suns #1...

I did not include LAC because the Minnesota pick (they are owed) is top ten protected...so they probably will not get that pick this year...

Here (as our GM) is what you are faced with...the three conditions (for not hurting the team) outlined above...and the logical trade candidates from our team: DJ, AA, and S. Graham...if Boris is used in a trade that means we have to bring two PFs back or we are still left with a hole...so how do we get one of those first round picks?

[Chef]

minn out
cardinal 1 yr 6.75
brewer 2 yr 2.9
ellington 2 yr 1 mil

better of our pick or utah's unless they are dumb enough to offer theirs top 2 protected

char out
diaw
dj

if we have to a 2nd rounder

[ammofan]

I think we should do this:

To LAL:
Diop
To CHA:
Morrison

:D

but really I would like to see us get a guy better than Diaw because he is just not looking good to me. Maybe David West or someone of his nature?

[BRNC]

I like to give credit where it is due...this is a slight variation on a trade Swedd proposed...would you do it from our side and from OKC side:

From us:

Tyson Chandler
DJ

To us:

N. Collison
N. Krstic
Suns #1

What do you think?:g:

[Chef]

i would absolutely do that. although we would need to get tyson to play a little better before someone is dumb enough to take him.

[dav7z]

Charlotte out ,, Law NJ out S Williams
NJ does this to get rid of Williams and get a decent back up point in return .
Charlotte does this to get a tough guy a ass of sort , L Brown could more than likely get a lot out of him . JAX is working well and he handled AI well so i think Brown could get good production hear . Im thinking he adds the toughness we need at times and he can score some . For LAW its low risk high reward. THOUGHTS

[SWedd523]

That would definitely work for me. I'd be a little worried because they were going to trade trash to get him last year and now they're giving up more talent so they may not want to add the pick in. However, now that he's proven he can stay healthy, he may have more value.

[BRNC]

Swedd...I think with their PG situation (no back-up) and the desire for a defense minded center...and no real desire/need for two more young players (two number ones)...and the Suns could well be #30...I see it as a fair trade for both...could/would argue OKC gets the better talent...neither team stuck with a long contract (money wise pretty much the same commitment for the same length of time)...and we took the hit to get Ty healthy again...best trade I can come up with that actually helps both teams and gets us a number one...but I'm all ears to anything not "fantasy" that helps us get a #1 and a solid back-up PF...and Williams is not that in my book...

[SWedd523]

Swedd...I think with their PG situation (no back-up) and the desire for a defense minded center...and no real desire/need for two more young players (two number ones)...and the Suns could well be #30...I see it as a fair trade for both...could/would argue OKC gets the better talent...neither team stuck with a long contract (money wise pretty much the same commitment for the same length of time)...and we took the hit to get Ty healthy again...best trade I can come up with that actually helps both teams and gets us a number one...but I'm all ears to anything not "fantasy" that helps us get a #1 and a solid back-up PF...and Williams is not that in my book...
I was under the assumption that the Suns pick was going to be higher for whatever reason. If the Suns keep their form then we lose in that trade.


If they send us their pick (even if protected) in that deal then I'd like it more

[BRNC]

I'd like the #1 pick more...doubt we get it...but given the trade I can't imagine more than the two players and the Suns #1...I know they want a PG and like Ty...but I doubt we could do better...

[JamieMcNeill]

I like to give credit where it is due...this is a slight variation on a trade Swedd proposed...would you do it from our side and from OKC side:

From us:

Tyson Chandler
DJ

To us:

N. Collison
N. Krstic
Suns #1

What do you think?:g:

For the record Collison played in his first game since injury last night against and managed 18 points, 7 rebounds (5 offensive) and a block. Looks like hes coming back strong.

[BRNC]

Collison is a solid player...it is the kinda trade that would/could help both teams...so I doubt it happens but I'd like it if it did...

[spectre]

I like the OKC trade for us, but remember that they were giving less for TC last year and ended up turning it down...and I doubt a backup PG who's been looking like week old ass is going to entice them that much. Westbrook is entrenched at PG for them.

[BRNC]

He (Ty) was also hurt when that deal was going down last year...not the case this year...I like this deal but understand that you think OKC would not go for it...

[spectre]

He (Ty) was also hurt when that deal was going down last year...not the case this year...I like this deal but understand that you think OKC would not go for it...

What made that interesting was they got the Doc who did the surgery on his toe and HE said that TC could be hounded by that for the rest of his career.

Either we're idiots for ignoring that or else it could mean (and here's my hope) that he can play on it now but that it'll be an issue as he gets older.

[BRNC]

spectre...without knowing the medical report (which I'm sure OKC does) it might be difficult to move him...I'm just trying to come up with a trade to get us a first round pick this year...OKC may not be our best option for that...Nets (Dallas pick) might actually be a better option...

[Chef]

What made that interesting was they got the Doc who did the surgery on his toe and HE said that TC could be hounded by that for the rest of his career.

Either we're idiots for ignoring that or else it could mean (and here's my hope) that he can play on it now but that it'll be an issue as he gets older.

we did it for money reasons. we save $20 some million over 2 years. short term it wasn't a great trade but long term i still like it. mek will not be worth the money at the end of that contract. same question with felton, if we knew we didn't want him long term, why not trade him at the end of his last contract? he would have fetched a ton.

[Fred Williamson]

I don't want Bosh. If we tried to trade for him, we would have to give up too much Assets.

[BRNC]

I don't want Bosh. If we tried to trade for him, we would have to give up too much Assets.

Schnitzel...I think you answered the wrong thread LOL...but I've done it before...I agree though...Raptors will want too much OMO...this thread was started for very non-fantasy type trades to see if we could get a first round pick back...

Swedd...any good ideas with Nets...they have their pick and Dallas...I'm just not crazy about any of their back-up bigs though...maybe Boone...but...

[superb1]

how about this trade

phi out
Brand

Char out
Diop
Diaw

Sixers GM Ed Stefanski is desperate to unload forward Elton Brand(notes) and the $66 million owed over the remaining four years of his crippling contract, sources say, but that will be incredibly difficult. Even with several teams, including Golden State and Charlotte, desperate for low-post scorers and rebounders, no one believes Brand, who makes $14.8 million this season, has enough left to merit taking on that contract.

Both Diop and Diaw has shorter contracts, since we took in Jax contract for 4 years and we really don't look to be big spenders in the next couple of summers. I think we should look in it. They should probably add a draft pick if we could get one out of them.

Then we do a side trade with the Nets in a AC Law for Sean Williams deal like mentioned earlier.

Felton/Flip/DJ
Jax/Flip/Hendo
Crash/UPS/Graham
Brand/Williams/UPS
TC/Nazr/AA

[BRNC]

Yes...no one believes Brand will ever be worth that contract...and I agree with those folk...talk about a contract that would hamstring this franchise...I want no part of Brand and that contract...

[superb1]

Yes...no one believes Brand will ever be worth that contract...and I agree with those folk...talk about a contract that would hamstring this franchise...I want no part of Brand and that contract...

I'm beginning to second guess that one too. They are on a losing streak and since he came back he really has not help them much. Except for that game he had against us, I thought he may have been back to his old form.

But for fun I plugged in this trade
tc and diop for brand and jason smith.

this one would suck for both teams

[ammofan]

It says on RealGM that the sixers are looking to unload Brand. Even though is contract is bad, he is better than anyone else we got at PF(Diaw is debatable and changes every night)

[BRNC]

There is only one thing worse than a player that use to be really good with a bad contract on your team...a player that use to be good with a really bad contract on your team injured...and this is what I'd expect to happen to us if we took Brand....

There is a very good reason the 76s can't unload Brand and his contract...

[SWedd523]

No trades for Brand. We're already crippled with Diops MLE deal and we want to DOUBLE that for ANOTHER year with Brand when he's on the verge of crapping out as it is?

No trades for Bosh. It would cost too much to bring him here and I would rather not rent him for half of a season and then lose him. If you think he's going to resign with us then you're seriously deluded and don't have this franchise's best interests at heart.



BRNC, a quick go-around with the trade machine doesn't really give me much. I'd trade Ray and Acie for Devin Harris to give them even more expirings this summer so they can chase those max guys, especially since they're looking like the front runners in the John Wall sweepstakes.

But I seriously doubt they'd consider that (and I doubt Ray would approve either)

[BRNC]

Swedd...at this point it looks to me (since OKC probably would not do a deal) that we may have to be a middle team for Houston (McGrady) or Trail Blazers A. Miller) since they are both being shopped...we have DJ, AC, Graham, and AA...but seems to me DJ would be the appeal...particularly if we middle for Portland...but I see no good direct trade with Portland to get a PF (or at least one they'd trade) so we'd have to be the middle man...

[SWedd523]

Swedd...at this point it looks to me (since OKC probably would not do a deal) that we may have to be a middle team for Houston (McGrady) or Trail Blazers A. Miller) since they are both being shopped...we have DJ, AC, Graham, and AA...but seems to me DJ would be the appeal...particularly if we middle for Portland...but I see no good direct trade with Portland to get a PF (or at least one they'd trade) so we'd have to be the middle man...
Are you talking about a deal between Portland and Houston with us being the middle man?

[BRNC]

Are you talking about a deal between Portland and Houston with us being the middle man?

No Swedd...any deal that they make (McGrady to anyone or A. Miller to anyone)...I know Portland has/had interest in DJ but we're not good partners with them...so if they move A. Miller to another team maybe we move DJ to them and get a PF from the other team...etc...

The reason I say we might have to be a third (or middle team) is I just do not see any clear trade partners outside of OKC...and only because OKC wanted a defensive 5 and a PG...

Problem is lots of teams are looking for a PF just like we are...and Brand, Jeffries, T. Thomas, and possibly A. Harrington are the only ones I've heard that are available...three of those guys I have no interest in...and Harrington is not a great rebounder/banger...more a scoring threat...so seems like slim pickings unless we're part of a three team deal...and we both know how rare those are...

[Chef]

here is my waste of time for today, and it's a doozy

trade #1

Memphis out: d arthur, steven hunter, sam young
Memphis in: dj and al thorton

Char out: diaw and augustin
Char in: kaman, d arthur, craig smith

Clips out: kaman, thorton, craig smith
Clips in: diaw, steven hunter

trade #2 with kings
Char out: chandler, aa
Char in: f. garcia, kenny thomas

our line up
felton, garcia, law
garcia, jax
jax, wallace
wallace, thomas, craig smith, arthur
kaman, naz

problems: trying to figure out how to use wallace and jax at the same time, do we start kenny thomas?, does it make us better? (i think yes)

good things: saving $4m next season, kenny thomas is an $8m expiring this year, makes wallace or jax expendable for a big move around the deadline

[Toocool]

TBH Clippers wouldn't let off Kaman. The guy is absolutely dominant now, last time I checked he was close to 20/10. As much as I love Kaman, I don't see it happening. Kaman at PF for the Cats would be awesome though. Not to mention he's cheaper than Brand or Bosh.

[Chef]

he's been coming back down to earth stat-wise the last 2 weeks, probably because the clippers have been packing it up for the season already. also, the big reason, blake griffin is coming back and they are going to have a log jam between camby, kaman and griffin. they will want to keep camby because he is a shorter salary and better defender to allow griffin to play offense. plus the whole trade is centered around giving them more money next year to try and go for bron (a real possibility).

the best thing about the trade that i forgot to put in. what about this: kenny thomas (expiring), felton (god i hope he goes for it), #1 in 2011 and 12, unprotected for
Chirs Paul. don't dismiss it, could happen.

paul/law
garcia/jax
wallace/jax
craig smith/wallace/kaman
kaman/nazzy

we would be contenders

[ohara831]

Bonnell mentioned his educated guess is to package Diaw and DJ for a PF. Says it is a guess, not a prediction. Wonder if he has heard something and is putting that out to make himself look like smarter? Just wondering.

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2009/12/burning-garbage-wasnt-the-worst-of-it.html

[BRNC]

Bonnell mentioned his educated guess is to package Diaw and DJ for a PF. Says it is a guess, not a prediction. Wonder if he has heard something and is putting that out to make himself look like smarter? Just wondering.

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2009/12/burning-garbage-wasnt-the-worst-of-it.html

I read that also ohara...I'd have to say it is one of those secrets that everyone in the League knows...since there is little to gain packaging DJ and AA then DJ and Diaw makes sense...I'm not sure how much Rod can get for them...they both have skills...but neither has played good BB this year so I just don't know...

I still think our best bet is wait for the "right trade" that makes us a better team...just stay away from the Brand trades that will kill us...

The other problem trading Diaw is we really need two PFs if he goes...I really like UPS but he is a 3/4 hybrid at best and really a 3 in training to eventually take over for Crash...not a 4...

Given a bad trade or no trade...I'd take a no trade...

[jdub28]

If it counts for anything, Boris Diaw is coming off an ankle injury and the ball doesn't go through him much any more.

but here it goes...

Cats out
Diaw
Augustin

Bulls Out
T. Thomas
Jerome James (journey man center to join the crew we have.)

Good
Thomas is supposedly being shopped for Al Harrington. Harrington and Diaw are a lot a like (although both need the ball in their hands, one is a scorer and the other a facilitator like Swedd523 said) and the Bulls backup PG is Lindsay Hunter (he has been in the league almost as long as I've been born). Both of the incoming Bulls are in final years. Acie Law would see PG time.

Bad
Thomas could be a 1 year rent and can be moody too. DJ could eventually be a 20pts a night scorer. We get the trophy for most overpaid centers on a team ever.
OR

Flip the partners.

Cats out
Same

Knicks out
Harrington

We don't have to add dead weight and Harrington fits in a lot better with the tough team that is forming here. Him and Jack are old teammates. He could be a 1 year rent also but it seems less likely. D'antoni gets some one not named Chis Duhon to run the point and a player that most felt was pushed aside for Amare in PHX. Diaw will play his best ball for the run and gun(lol) Knicks. Cheap Knicks might end up sending some junk to us.


Well?

[BRNC]

I'd like to say again...Thomas plays indifferent (at best) defense...no way we trade for him...Oh...and please don't come back with "what a wonderful job of turning players around LB can do"...I've seen what LB can do with players...and I really don't think it is all that "wonderful"...

[Scottley Crue]

Harrington intrigues me, but what I really wonder is what it would take to pry David West away from the Hornets. I may not want to know the answer, but I think he brings the tough, physical banger that this team needs at the 4. He can also hit the outside shot, so that's big. I haven't taken the time to see much of his defense, but I can't remember anyone saying that he's a matador.

[BRNC]

West seems to be a good all-around player...would probably be a good fit...not sure I want to know what they'd want for him though...probably too much would be my guess...

[spectre]

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2009/12/home_cooking_has_been_a_great.html


Another move for Charlotte? Bobcats coach Larry Brown got what he wanted by trading for Stephen Jackson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jacksst02.html), who has helped Charlotte turn things around. But as usual, Brown is never done tinkering and, according to sources, is pushing for another move. He's now looking for another big man to come off the bench.
There are options on the roster but Brown won't play DeSagana Diop (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/diopde01.html), who he pushed the team to trade for despite a massive contract last season. He has demoted another option, Alexis Ajinca (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/ajincal01.html), to the D-League a year after he fell in love with him before the draft and pushed the Bobcats to make a trade to get him. So expect to see the Bobcats involved in trade rumors once Dec. 15, the date when summer free agents and rookies can be traded, comes.
It's going to happen, and the way LB has soured on DJ of late I have to think he's going to be the bait. He mentioned the roster imbalance again in his comments last night.

[polarcat]

Since the addition of Acie Law, we all expect a follow-up trade to land a big. They mention the Dec. 15 date, so I wonder if that means Flip or Chandler are in the picture as well. I'd much rather trade Murray over Augustin, but I'm curious as to who has more value between the two guards. DJ is in LB's doghouse, but Augustin was LB's guy in the draft, so I would hope DJ is just suffering a sophomore slump.

[BRNC]

This is why it is such a badly kept secret...and why it makes it difficult to trade (unless the other team wants to dump) cecause LB can not/will not keep his mouth shut...

He pushes to draft "crap players"...then figures out they are "crap players"...
He pushes to trade for "crap players"...then figures out they are "crap players"...and then he magically expects the FO (ours or any others he has been with) to magically pull out "great players" by trading "crap players" to other teams...(and I'm talking about Lexy and Diop...not DJ who I think can be an NBA back-up)

I'll bet he believes in Unicorns also...:p

[BRNC]

Best guess(es) at this point will be some combo of (Diaw, DJ, Chandler, Graham, Flip) in no particular order...

I do think it odd we've only seen AC once...if he is doing a good job in practice there may be a desire to "hide" him so another team does not ask that he be included in a trade...and that is pure speculation on my part...but if we were trying to "show case him" he'd be getting playing time...but like I said...pure speculation...

[spectre]

I don't see Flip netting us anything...we were the ONLY team willing to offer the full BAE (just under 2 million); why would anyone trade for him now when he's playing like crap?

In order for Boris to go out you're going to have to get a starting PF AND a backup PF else we're in the same boat as we are now. I think we're looking at a backup PF...so most likely Boris and his big contract ain't going anywhere.

Graham...unsigned before we came along.

TC...big contract and he's not really living up to it.

The only value I see is DJ unless our new star player Nazr is included (you laugh...dude has a 24 PER right now), but would LB move his best backup C and be left with just Gana who he refuses to play at all?

For the life of me though I can't come up with a decent trade. If ONLY we'd looked to move DJ for Thompson last summer. Their FO might not have done it but their fans were suggesting it for months.

Whatever we do I hope we don't take on too much salary...but I'll betcha that's exactly what we end up doing.

[ohara831]

Spectre, do you mean Jason Thompson of the Kings? Man, I would take him up in a heartbeat. He can be our PF for the next 10 years. Send them DJ. Bye Bye DJ, nice knowing you!

[BRNC]

spectre...I know moving Diaw means we have to bring back 2 PFs...I'm including him because his name (even before Bonnell said it) has been tossed around...guys like Graham and Flip are on one years so they do have some "value"...depends on who we trade with...

I'd (said it before) rather see no trade than another trade bringing back a "garbage" salary (Brand quickly comes to mind)...I'm all for "LB made this bed...be happy with it or walk"...and that is the approach (if I were Rod) I'd take at this point...

Try not to look at Flip and "Hulk" as any real value...try to look at their contracts as value for a team that wants to shed some salary next year...if Rod can use them for our advantage...more power to him...but this is going to be a tough market...and I do agree...with what we have to offer...I think a no trade may be the best we can do without a "value" player getting dumped for a money save...who knows...maybe the Hornets will do us a favor and "give us West"...LOL...I'm not holding my breath...

I checked contract status...Flip can be moved after 12/25...Hulk after 12/28...and they are both one year...

spectre...let me calrify though...I think (if we do make a trade) that it should be for a back-up PF...mid-season trade rarely do much for teams...but we have a real need for a solid back-up (and yes...a real starting PF but that's just my opinion) PF and that is probably the best we can do...given what we have to trade...but DJ is talented and I would hope (if we trade) we get talent back...not a "garbage contract" back...if not talent then why trade...

[Weezy21]

Spectre, do you mean Jason Thompson of the Kings? Man, I would take him up in a heartbeat. He can be our PF for the next 10 years. Send them DJ. Bye Bye DJ, nice knowing you!

thompson is close to untouchable right now...with the exception of the kings adding a superstar, they will not be trading him, especially for dj haha

[BRNC]

We passed on drafting Thompson (my guy) in the draft...no way the Kings trade him...and esp. not for DJ...

[Slam]

Cha out:
Gana Diop
Alexis Ajinca
Stephen Graham

Char in:
Tyrus Thomas

Chi out:
Tyrus Thomas

Chi in:
Martell Webster
Alexis Ajinca
Patty Mills

Port out:
Martell Webster
Patty Mills

Port in:
Gana Diop
Stephen Graham

Why for all parties?

Cha: They get a much needed back up at the PF position while getting out of Diop's contract. Moving Ajinca makes the trading of a future 1st round pick a waste but they swallow that to help compete now.

Chi: TT is on the outs so they move him while they can get some return. Webster gives them some much needed depth at the wing and replaces some of what they lost when Gordon walked. Webster can either play the 6th man role - or even push to start and they can move Salmons to the 6th man role. Mills provides PG depth for the future. They also get an interesting (but long term) project big in Ajinca.

Port: Fairly obvious after the tragic happenings last night. Graham is added to bolster the wings.

[Chef]

any insider: could you post the hollinger rumors piece on larry's doghouse?

[spectre]

Gana for an expiring? That ain't happening.

Pritchard is too smart to take on Gana regardless of how badly they need a big. Besides, they have Przybilla who is more than adequate. If I were them I'd probably bring in a Jake Voskuhl type to take up any slack they might have.

[Slam]

Gana for an expiring? That ain't happening.

Pritchard is too smart to take on Gana regardless of how badly they need a big. Besides, they have Przybilla who is more than adequate. If I were them I'd probably bring in a Jake Voskuhl type to take up any slack they might have.
They have JP............and that's it in their big man dept. They have to do something, unless they plan on playing Howard serious mins.

They have an amount of slack that will need to be picked up if they still think they are a shot at the post season.

[BRNC]

I could see them (and many teams) trying to get Nazzy (who I would not trade) but Diop...why the heck would any playoff caliber team want him...you can get much cheaper players to sit on the bench...

...and before anyone comes back "the right trade I'd send Nazzy" stuff...think about this...Ty has not been the healthiest guy the last couple of seasons...if we trade Nazzy do you really want to have to start Diop if Ty is hurt...I don't...:facepalm:

[spectre]

They have an amount of slack that will need to be picked up if they still think they are a shot at the post season.

and you think Gana could cover that?

If only Pritchard did!

[coachcdobbs]

A trade I would love to see happen would be one like this... I dont know if Washington would pull the trigger unless something else was in the deal but if we wanted to improve the power forward position and get some cap relief this would be a decent starting place:

Wizards get:

T. Chandler - 11 Million (2 years)
B. Diaw - 9.5 Million (3 years)

Bobcats get:

A. Jamison - 11.5 Million + (3 years)
B. Haywood - 6 Million (Expiring)

Im just thinking for Washington that they would at least get something for Brendan Haywood who may go somewhere else anyway in the offseason. Im also sure Jamison would welcome a trade to Charlotte. Bring him back home. It would give us some size at the 4 and some scoring on the block.

[SWedd523]

A trade I would love to see happen would be one like this... I dont know if Washington would pull the trigger unless something else was in the deal but if we wanted to improve the power forward position and get some cap relief this would be a decent starting place:

Wizards get:

T. Chandler - 11 Million (2 years)
B. Diaw - 9.5 Million (3 years)

Bobcats get:

A. Jamison - 11.5 Million + (3 years)
B. Haywood - 6 Million (Expiring)

Im just thinking for Washington that they would at least get something for Brendan Haywood who may go somewhere else anyway in the offseason. Im also sure Jamison would welcome a trade to Charlotte. Bring him back home. It would give us some size at the 4 and some scoring on the block.
Haywood is one of the best defensive Centers in the game but Jamison is just too old for me. He's due for a sharp decline in production, and i really wouldn't want to have 25mil dedicated to him when his future production is in serious doubt.

That would be a tremendous "win now" move though

[BRNC]

Jamison is always questionable defensively...and health is always a major concern...plus swedd...he is due 28 million (the next two after this)...pretty hefty chunk of change...

[SWedd523]

I agree with you lol read what I said ;)

[BRNC]

LOL...agree with you on the decline...pointing out he has more due (money wise) than 25...that extra 3 millin is another body...LOL...

I still wish we could pull something with OKC...but the way they are playing I doubt that they are inclined to make any deals...and there are several teams looking for a PF just like us...and I hate bidding wars since the winner usually ends up as the loser...

[ziggy]

Cha out:
Gana Diop
Alexis Ajinca
Stephen Graham

Char in:
Tyrus Thomas

Chi out:
Tyrus Thomas

Chi in:
Martell Webster
Alexis Ajinca
Patty Mills

Port out:
Martell Webster
Patty Mills

Port in:
Gana Diop
Stephen Graham

Why for all parties?

Cha: They get a much needed back up at the PF position while getting out of Diop's contract. Moving Ajinca makes the trading of a future 1st round pick a waste but they swallow that to help compete now.

Chi: TT is on the outs so they move him while they can get some return. Webster gives them some much needed depth at the wing and replaces some of what they lost when Gordon walked. Webster can either play the 6th man role - or even push to start and they can move Salmons to the 6th man role. Mills provides PG depth for the future. They also get an interesting (but long term) project big in Ajinca.

Port: Fairly obvious after the tragic happenings last night. Graham is added to bolster the wings.


I like it Slam... Now use some of that Aussie / Canadian pull of yours and make it happen :biggrin:

[Marvel]

Cha out:
Gana Diop
Alexis Ajinca
Stephen Graham

Char in:
Tyrus Thomas

Chi out:
Tyrus Thomas

Chi in:
Martell Webster
Alexis Ajinca
Patty Mills

Port out:
Martell Webster
Patty Mills

Port in:
Gana Diop
Stephen Graham

Why for all parties?

Cha: They get a much needed back up at the PF position while getting out of Diop's contract. Moving Ajinca makes the trading of a future 1st round pick a waste but they swallow that to help compete now.

Chi: TT is on the outs so they move him while they can get some return. Webster gives them some much needed depth at the wing and replaces some of what they lost when Gordon walked. Webster can either play the 6th man role - or even push to start and they can move Salmons to the 6th man role. Mills provides PG depth for the future. They also get an interesting (but long term) project big in Ajinca.

Port: Fairly obvious after the tragic happenings last night. Graham is added to bolster the wings.


No way Portland give up Webster for Gana and Steve G makes no sense when Webster is twice the player he is.

[BRNC]

I'm really unclear about the interest in TT...he is not a "spread" PF...clogs up the lane even more with Ty already here...can't do a pick and roll (one of the many reasons Bulls want him gone)...plays indifferent (at best) defense....what exactly is the attraction...other than another team wants to dump him...:g:

[rsxnova]

any insider: could you post the hollinger rumors piece on larry's doghouse?

Bobcats coach Larry Brown says he's only going to play one backup point guard. This means either D.J. Augustin (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3415) or Ronald "Flip" Murray (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1777) will sit and at this time it's Augustin who will stay in the bench.
"He hasn't defended like he needs to defend, he hasn't made shots, he hasn't distributed the ball," Brown told The Charlotte Observer (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/bobcats/story/1094075.html).

[murphman]

It is being reported that Bayless really wants to be traded out of Portland. Plus Oden has been lost for the rest of the season and they are desperate for any bigs at the 4 or 5. Might be a chance for us to move a PG, AA and Diop for Bayless and....not sure. You guys can figure that part out.

[BRNC]

Portland has made clear they do not trade out of "desperation"...and I think if they do trade Bayless they'll get a better player than Diop...they do not want Diop and will not take him...

[Weezy21]

I'm really unclear about the interest in TT...he is not a "spread" PF...clogs up the lane even more with Ty already here...can't do a pick and roll (one of the many reasons Bulls want him gone)...plays indifferent (at best) defense....what exactly is the attraction...other than another team wants to dump him...:g:

well im not a huge TT fan but he would add depth...and the BEST part in this scenario would be that we are trading Diop an lexy (bust) for an expiring...only problem is i doubt portland would do this

[spectre]

I think that even if we did trade for Thomas LB would quickly get frustrated and start giving him DNP-CD. Appears to not have a very high BBIQ.

[Slam]

I think that even if we did trade for Thomas LB would quickly get frustrated and start giving him DNP-CD. Appears to not have a very high BBIQ.
Not so sure about that. Crash doesn't have the highest BBIQ but because of his hustle and heart, LB loves him.

And to all those saying that the Blazers wouldn't be interested in Diop - don't be so sure. We were. All it took was for LB to say he needed another big and our FO went out of their way to get him - even though he had a crappy contract (which was longer at the time) and was performing as badly with Dallas.

[spectre]

Not so sure about that. Crash doesn't have the highest BBIQ but because of his hustle and heart, LB loves him.

And to all those saying that the Blazers wouldn't be interested in Diop - don't be so sure. We were. All it took was for LB to say he needed another big and our FO went out of their way to get him - even though he had a crappy contract (which was longer at the time) and was performing as badly with Dallas.

Do you think Thomas has heart? Do you think he could hold Crash's jockstrap when it comes to hustle?

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2008/12/vinny-del-negro-isnt-a-big-tyrus-thomas-fan/


Del Negro wasn’t exactly diplomatic in his response, and basically described Thomas as being selfish, lazy**Edited to take out author's lame joke.



“I can handle mistakes, but I can’t handle lack of effort and I can’t handle lack of commitment to the team,” Del Negro said Wednesday.

“It’s always a work in progress when you have a young team. When you’re on the court, you have to value those minutes.”

”My [meaning] of commitment to the team is coming in with energy every day, with a focus, trying to get better,” Del Negro said. ”Lifting weights. Being on time. Paying attention in meetings. Being ready to play at nights. Knowing what your role is, who you’re guarding, what their strengths and weaknesses are. How you can affect the team in a positive way. The commitment to the team is being a professional.”


Those quotes were from a year ago...but as it appears that Chicago isn't planning on re-signing him and they're looking to trade him I doubt he's changed that much.

[BRNC]

Portland is not us...hoping they will take Diop is very much "wishful thinking" on our part...

...and TT...why even make a trade for a guy (when we nee a back-up) that will do nothing but ride the bench...and that is all he would do here...his defense (lack of) would only have him on the bench...and LB all of a sudden turning this clown into a defensive stopper...I don't think so..

If we're going to make a trade we need a player that can actually come in and make us better where we need to be better...IMO TT is not that guy...and I doubt the Bulls would take Diop to unload and expiring contract...they know they'd be better off just sending him home for the rest of the season than take on Diops crap contract...

[Slam]

Do you think Thomas has heart?
I 100% think that he plays with passion. I also think he is a kid that needs to grow up, but the basis is there. Guys with the athletic ability and natural skill set of Crash, Josh Smith and Tyrus are a rarity. If you can add dimensions to their game they can be priceless - just look at the evolution of Crash.


...and TT...why even make a trade for a guy (when we nee a back-up) that will do nothing but ride the bench...and that is all he would do here...his defense (lack of) would only have him on the bench...and LB all of a sudden turning this clown into a defensive stopper...I don't think so..

Because TT would be our back up PF if he came here? I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. His rebounding and shot blocking is something that we really need. That and his mobility, quickness and size at the 4 spot.


and I doubt the Bulls would take Diop to unload and expiring contract
The Bulls wouldn't be getting Diop. The Blazers would.

[Fred Williamson]

Seems like Bayless wants out of Portland. :g:

We should try to get this kid. He would be the perfect PG in LB's system. He's 6'3", can drive to the hoop, make plays, shoot from outside. He could be Billups 2.0.

Package DJ+Lexi for him.

[spectre]

Slam, if you feel that strongly about the idea why not put it on the RGM Trade Board?

Maybe Spykes will surprise me. :cool:

[BRNC]

That's a trade Portland might actually do...but our FO (Rod) would have to hold the line and say "that's it"...but it does not address our need for a back-up PF...

[BRNC]

slam...why do you think Portland would want Diop when they would not take him last year...and as far as TT and defense...yes shot blocking is nice but he does not play defense...major reason the Bulls want him gone...and my point is..
Why bring TT here to be a back-up when LB gets fed up with him not playing defense and he sits on the bench with DNP...how is that a back-up...or do you mean a "back-up" like Diop...don't we have one of those...just not at the PF slot...

Diop can block shots also...but he can't play team defense...and neither can TT...at least he has not shown that he can...so we end up with a bench rider not a back-up...that is my point...

[kickazzz2000]

Seems like Bayless wants out of Portland. :g:

We should try to get this kid. He would be the perfect PG in LB's system. He's 6'3", can drive to the hoop, make plays, shoot from outside. He could be Billups 2.0.

Package DJ+Lexi for him.
Shoulda fucking drafted him in the first place. I make a lot of noise about Lopez now, but in truth, I was more angry that we didn't select Bayless. You had your perfect big PG and instead you select a smurf. Bayless was last year's Brandon Jennings (more raw though). Dudes gonna be a staaaaaaaaa

[Marvel]

It's official Bayless has requested a trade: http://www.dwightjaynes.com/does-jerryd-bayless-want-out-of-here

This could be a good opportunity for us to get rid of Diop or include Nazr in a package,but in saying that we need an upgrade at the 4 which they don't have other than Cunningham

[Muttley]

It's official Bayless has requested a trade: http://www.dwightjaynes.com/does-jerryd-bayless-want-out-of-here

This could be a good opportunity for us to get rid of Diop or include Nazr in a package,but in saying that we need an upgrade at the 4 which they don't have other than Cunningham
Including Nazr in a trade would be a horrible move. Especially for a guard.

[BRNC]

When you need a big...you do not trade a big (a good one at that) for a guard...you try to find the big you need...

[Slam]

Not saying that I would do it, I'm sort of sitting on the fence, but how about something like:

Cha out:
Crash
Boris
Diop
Law

Cha in:
Bosh (extended)
DeRozan
Jack

Trade ID #5318864 (http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5318864)

The we have the option of trying to trade Felts or DJ for a back up PF and at the very least have a ready reaplacement at the end of the season should Felts demand too much money.

We'd also get our Super Star PF.

Felts - Jack - DJ
Jax - Hendo - Flip
UPS - DeRozan
Bosh - Hulk - Lexy
Chandler - Nazzy

*the deal would have to wait until after Jan 16th

[ALuhrs704]

i wouldnt touch that trade. theres no way Bosh signs an extension here and we get rid of wallace? we cant have a major shake up like that and expect to make the playoffs. we just need another big to bang down low. i wish we could get joakim noah. he would be perfect for us.

[ALuhrs704]

however i do love the bayless idea.........

[spectre]

New York Knicks might be watching Charlotte Bobcats point guard D.J. Augustin very closely (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2009/12/15/2009-12-15_point_for_knicks_is_seeing_augustin.html)


Any point guard who plays for Larry Brown (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Larry+Brown+%28Basketball%29) will ultimately clash with the head coach (See: Stephon Marbury (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Stephon+Marbury)). But those who understand there is a method to Brown's madness can accomplish great things (See: Allen Iverson (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Allen+Iverson)).

Charlotte (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Charlotte+Bobcats)'s D.J. Augustin (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/D.J.+Augustin) is currently struggling with Brown's Play The Right Way edict, which could be a good thing for the Knicks (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/New+York+Knicks). Augustin remains a player of interest for the Knicks, who, according to a team source, had extensive talks last season with the Bobcats regarding a deal for the second-year guard out of Texas (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Texas).

"He was part of a bigger deal," the source said. "But I know the Knicks like him very much."

Knicks president Donnie Walsh (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Donnie+Walsh) declined to discuss his level of interest in Augustin, although it is no secret that Walsh and Brown, friends for many years, talk regularly. According to a source, Brown is open to trading Augustin but has been overruled by Michael Jordan (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Michael+Jordan).

"He hasn't defended like he needs to defend," Brown said recently. "He hasn't made shots. He hasn't distributed the ball."

Brown was saying some of those same things four years ago about Nate Robinson (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Nate+Robinson), who is now buried on Mike D'Antoni (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Mike+D%27Antoni)'s bench. A Robinson-for-Augustin deal is unlikely because the salaries don't match and because Robinson would have to agree to the deal.

Either way, Robinson's days in New York are numbered. He and Chris Duhon (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Chris+Duhon) will become free agents on July 1 and Robinson certainly won't be re-signed. The Knicks will eventually be in the market for a point guard and Augustin, despite being undersized, is on their radar.

The Knicks, who have won four straight and are in Charlotte Tuesday, have had trouble containing Augustin. He's averaging 15.2 points in five games against the Knicks, including 15 two months ago when the Bobcats beat the Knicks in overtime.

[spectre]

They're supposedly looking to move Harrington and D'antoni has always had a hardon for Boris. Figure we could get Jordan Hill too.

[Chef]

a dj and boris for hill and harrington works and gives us +4 in the trade checker. no way does ny do this.

2 reasons
1. adds 9 mil to them next year when they are targeting free agents. especially if they are going after bron + either amare or bosh or even boozer
2. adding hill brings attention to how crappy their draft was when they missed on jennings (acceptable) and lawson (not acceptable)

not sure what we can do unless they straight swap hill for dj. personally, i think hill is trash, but dj is pretty much finished here.

[BRNC]

I'm not sure I'd call Hill trash yet (AA comes to mind for that) but he really is a work in progress...with DJ deep in the dog house not sure if we could do better on a straight-up for DJ...

Walsh is not going to take Diaw's contract unless we take back a garbage contract like Curry and we lose in that deal...the only way NY gives Al is if they get back an expiring and we do not have that...

[spectre]

Side note (guess this could be a new thread)...


According to a source, Brown is open to trading Augustin but has been overruled by Michael Jordan (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Michael+Jordan).

Conspiracy theory:

We all know LB is not beyond doing little things to get his way. Could LB have contributed to DJ's dropoff because he wants to trade him? His way of showing Jordan that he's right?

[Chef]

agreed, hill is about the best we will do with any deal involving the knicks. either we take on a craptastic contract or we settle with just a swap. even if hill isn't very good, dj's value is about as low as it will get right now. so unless there is another team out there that would take boris and dj for a strong power forward or great 2 guard or talent and picks, i think this is a good gamble. if hill works out, we win, if he doesn't we don't lose alot player or money wise.

[BRNC]

Side note (guess this could be a new thread)...
Conspiracy theory:

We all know LB is not beyond doing little things to get his way. Could LB have contributed to DJ's dropoff because he wants to trade him? His way of showing Jordan that he's right?

Spectre...LB has shown (over the years) that not only will he cut off his own nose, the fans nose, the GMs nose, the owners nose, and the medias nose to get his way...he is willing to destroy players to get his way...so yes...I think it possible...

[BRNC]

I would hope (if this is not just more of the NY media talking out of their collective a**es) that any other teams with true DJ interest will perk up and call Rod...maybe that is why MJ is overriding LB on this...to see if we get a better offer...but I'll be the first to admit it could also be wishful thinking on my part...:biggrin:

[Slam]

Conspiracy theory:

We all know LB is not beyond doing little things to get his way. Could LB have contributed to DJ's dropoff because he wants to trade him? His way of showing Jordan that he's right?
God I hope not.

That would be a total disgrace and tell me that LB is not the man for the job because his ego would be bigger than the team.

[Slam]

Quick straw poll:

If given the choice, who would the punters like more on the Bobcats team -

Jason Thompson
or
Jordan Hill

??

[Fred Williamson]

Al Harrington? Oh jesus christ, no...

[Black]

Al Harrington? Oh jesus christ, no...

I would love to have Harrington.

[spectre]

God I hope not.

That would be a total disgrace and tell me that LB is not the man for the job because his ego would be bigger than the team.

It's pretty well documented how big LB's ego is. I definitely think he's toned it down some because of his UNC ties and Jordan "love"...but I doubt seriously if he could ever totally supress it.


Quick straw poll:

If given the choice, who would the punters like more on the Bobcats team -

Jason Thompson
or
Jordan Hill

??

I've haven't seen squat in regards to Hill, but I think Jason Thompson is EXACTLY what we need at the 4.

[Scottley Crue]

Quick straw poll:

If given the choice, who would the punters like more on the Bobcats team -

Jason Thompson
or
Jordan Hill

??
I'm not sure if I qualify as a punter, but as far as Jason Thompson or Jordan Hill on the 'Cats?...Thompson, please. Very much please, actually.

[Black]

I'm not sure if I qualify as a punter, but as far as Jason Thompson or Jordan Hill on the 'Cats?...Thompson, please. Very much please, actually.

yeahm not sure what a punter is, but Thompson for sure

[SWedd523]

No punter-ism here, but I'll take Jason over Hill anyday. However, a Harrington/Hill for Diaw/DJ fits almost perfectly. I'd even throw them Lexy if they wanted him.


Harrington isn't necessarily what we need, but we get two PF's for one and a PG (which we can spare). One of which is a damn near 20/10 guy. Can't hate that too much

[Slam]

In light of the news that another one of my love children is on the block again:

Char out:
DJ

Char in:
Anthony Randolph
CJ Watson

NYK out:
Chandler
Douglas

NYK in:
DJ

GSW out:
Anthony Randolph
CJ Watson

GSW in:
Chandler
Douglas

[Slam]

Punter = Aussie for someone who likes to place bets.

Also, FWIW, Hill projects to have better per 36 numbers than JT does -

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=hilljo01&y1=2010&p2=thompja02&y2=2010

[spectre]

They'd probably take Nate and in that scenario he would most likely approve it. Maybe swap out Chandler from the Knicks' POV.

I'd absolutely do that, but the question is would LB develop the guy? We're all about "today" under the current group.

[teej]

I would love to have Harrington.

:yeahthat:

Al is another scorer that we need, and while it'd kill my fantasy team in the BCP league, I think he'd help us a lot more than Diaw. And he and Jack already get along very well.

[ohara831]

I would love me some Jason Thompson on the Bobcats. Pack up DJ, you're going on a 1 way flight!

[spectre]

SAC won't give up Thompson and who could blame them.

I feel sure one vet would be coming our way (we are talking LB here). Figure either Harrington + filler or effries + better filler.

[Slam]

SAC won't give up Thompson and who could blame them.
I haven't seen JT play that much in the NBA. Why is there so much love for him?

[Slam]

They'd probably take Nate and in that scenario he would most likely approve it. Maybe swap out Chandler from the Knicks' POV.

I'd absolutely do that, but the question is would LB develop the guy? We're all about "today" under the current group.
Reading the Knicks board Chandler is the guy they are saying they would move because he would be the odd man out. Of course they are sure they are getting LBJ and that Dano is the next coming!!

Agreed with Brown and AR. Might be the same sort of pairing as Brown and Tyrus. Loads of potential but because Brown didn't hand pick them and have a chance to stroke his own ego.............

[teej]

Figure either Harrington + filler or Jeffries + better filler.

Jeffries sucks. I don't want him. But, seeing as how we make horrible trades, that's who we'll wind up with.

What would you do for Al?

Oh and another benefit to Al...we'd finally get someone who already has an endorsement...Al has a Kmart shoe line :biggrin:

[spectre]

I'm not one to ask as I don't value Harrington very highly...just have never liked his game. He and Jax are tight though, so that would be an added benefit.

I'd guess DJ/Boris would be the package going out, and Lord I'd hope we'd get something more than just Harrington. At least Douglas (we could include Law too I guess).


I haven't seen JT play that much in the NBA. Why is there so much love for him?

Probably more than me...most everything NBA I have to look up on the internet now. Still, from what I have seen he has energy on D, will body up in the paint and he has a pretty good midrange/turnaround midrange jumper which I think we've always lacked.

[BRNC]

IMO no way Knicks send out Al without getting back an expiring which we do not have...I don't think MJ will take Jeffries without us getting real incentive and the Knicks have no #1...

The Knicks want to cut salary for off-season so why would anyone think they'd take Diaw...

Best case for us (from the Knicks is Chandler and Hill)...we'd have to send DJ and something...but I just really don't see the Knicks as a trade partner...even if they want DJ....

[Black]

ive been discussing it on a Knicks board, and they agree that there isn't really a logical trade that could be made without a 3rd team

most of them would like DJ, but our lack of expiring contracts makes it hard to work something out

[Fred Williamson]

In case some of you didn't know, Al No Sharrington is not a PF. He's more like a 6'9" shooting guard. Poor defender, bad rebounder, inefficient. No thanks.

[Black]

In case some of you didn't know, Al No Sharrington is not a PF. He's more like a 6'9" shooting guard. Poor defender, bad rebounder, inefficient. No thanks.

Sounds like a certain Charlotte Bobcats starting PF.

in less minutes Harrington averages:

9 more points
2 more rebounds
comparable steals and blocks
identical fg %

[BRNC]

I think MJ and Rod want a first coming back to us...most likely partners (even in a three team deal) would be one of the teams with multiple first rounders...

I think there is a lot of frustration with two first round picks being thrown away (2008 draft) and the feeling that the (2009) draft was solid...teams do not do well (for the future) by throwing away two first rounders...so again...

I look for any trade to have a first coming back to us...it does not hurt for other teams to know that the Knicks want DJ...so a three team deal could be worked out...I'm just not sure how much Knicks garbage any team (including us) is willing to take...

If a deal is made...I doubt that it is soon...I expect it to be in January rather than earlier...just a hunch...

[French_Cats]

In light of the news that another one of my love children is on the block again:

Char out:
DJ

Char in:
Anthony Randolph
CJ Watson

NYK out:
Chandler
Douglas

NYK in:
DJ

GSW out:
Anthony Randolph
CJ Watson

GSW in:
Chandler
Douglas

I love to commerce


Well I see that rumor DJ makes much noise, I would not be starting against a DJ present to me to see since the beginning of the season we have two weaknesses in the team chandler and Boris Diaw we will probably chandler not transfer but I am waiting to see another 1 or 3 match to see if Boris will be better if levels are not where I think we should pack transferred DJ and Boris Diaw would be good we could have a pf very good in it's regular performance harrington love it score it takes rebound you should watch tonight but I do not if it is possible to have everything in Harrington and Stephen Jackson are very buddy http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=308

[Chef]

Sounds like a certain Charlotte Bobcats starting PF.

in less minutes Harrington averages:

9 more points
2 more rebounds
comparable steals and blocks
identical fg %

let's not put too much stock into any nyk stats. d'inflation...period. why do you think no team offered david lee big money. they know he really isn't a 20-15 guy.

[spectre]

I agree with the d'inflation (cool term BTW!) and probably with your reasoning about Harrington. In regards to Lee however I think his RFA status (just like Felton & to a lesser extent Sessions) did more than anything to limit offers.

[Chef]

I agree with the d'inflation (cool term BTW!) and probably with your reasoning about Harrington. In regards to Lee however I think his RFA status (just like Felton & to a lesser extent Sessions) did more than anything to limit offers.

not my term. one of bill simmons's readers

[ohara831]

Floated on ESPN Rumor, the Jazz might think about packaging Boozer (sign and trade) and the rights to Knicks 2010 1st (likely a high lottery pick). Is there anything the Bobcats have that you would be interested in offering in that scenario?

[BRNC]

Floated on ESPN Rumor, the Jazz might think about packaging Boozer (sign and trade) and the rights to Knicks 2010 1st (likely a high lottery pick). Is there anything the Bobcats have that you would be interested in offering in that scenario?

I can't imagine who the Jazz will "rob" with this trade...and Booz resigning here...very doubtful...but they are SF light so do you actually want to send Crash and something...'cause that's what I think it would cost us...that is of course unless they get desperate...and I doubt that happens...

[Chef]

i posted one awhile back can't remember where it is that involved Crash and some of our salary boondoggles. although now i think Crash has too much value. what do y'all think. would crash be worth boozer (sign and trade) and a high first rounder for crash and diop?

[spectre]

I don't think we have anything that could get us Wall.

I wish tho.

[BRNC]

i posted one awhile back can't remember where it is that involved Crash and some of our salary boondoggles. although now i think Crash has too much value. what do y'all think. would crash be worth boozer (sign and trade) and a high first rounder for crash and diop?

Chef...if we made a trade for Booz and Crash...they give us a first...all we get from the trade (after this year) is the first...not sure I'd do that...I think the Jazz might though...they just want a solid player since they have no interest in Booz...why they signed Milsap...I just don't think I'd do this one...Booz will walk to the highest bidder...and who knows what we'd get with the first...risky at best...

[polarcat]

so i might be missing the fine print on this, but is the offer a newly contracted and signed carlos boozer + quite possibly the first pick in the draft? i don't want to loose wallace but the thought of boozer in his prime at the 4 and potentially john wall running the point is nasty....and this is coming from a ginormous gforce fan.

i'm thinking a package of wallace + fillers would give us a 2010 lineup of:

wall/felts
jackson/hendo
harrington/brown
boozer/hill
chandler/nazr

we could package some combo of dj, diaw, etc for harrington + jordan hill and have our depth set. i'm sure this is ridiculous along nba 2k10, but interesting to throw out. could also be too much money tied up salary-wise btwn booz, harrington, jax and felts.

[BRNC]

There is no way...repeat...no way...the Knicks trade an expiring (Harrinton) for anything other than expiring(s) so they can keep the LaBron "fantasy" alive and well in NY...we have no expiring contract to trade to the Knicks...

[Black]

in 2k10 i got Hill Harrington and a first for DJ and Diaw :D

[Slam]

Curtis (New york)




Hello Chad and thank you for stopping by to chat. Considering today is the first day that many players are eligible to be moved, what team do you think makes the first move, and which player is moved first? also, Which team do you think will make the smartest move to solidify their lineup?
Chad Ford (1:31 PM)





I think it's going to be Ramon Sessions. Has value, reasonable contract, isn't getting much run in Minnesota. If David Kahn can pick up more cap relief for this summer or another draft pick, I think he's going to move him.As far as interested teams go: Bobcats, Warriors, Pacers, Rockets, Lakers, Heat and Sixers could all use some help at the point.

Just saw this and wanted to share.

[Slam]

and this............



James (Boston)




Hey Chad, have you heard anything about a DJ Augustin to Knicks deal?
Chad Ford (1:34 PM)





Knicks would love to do it. But MJ is catching on to Larry Brown's ways. Larry hates everyone of his players at some point in the season (remember when he wanted to trade Gerald Wallace when he got there). He'll get over it. Felton is an unrestricted free agent next summer. If they trade DJ ... who plays the point for them next year?

[spectre]

From what I remember it was Jordan wanting to trade Crash and LB talking him out of it.

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Crash for TJ Ford

oh god...

[BRNC]

From what I remember it was Jordan wanting to trade Crash and LB talking him out of it.

Spectre...that's the way I remember that one also...I take my knocks against LB but that one was on MJ from all reports I read...

[ohara831]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/63424/20091215/warriors_put_randolph_on_block_again/

Oh, my. This will make some Bobcat fans salivate.

[BRNC]

He would be a nice addition...but what would GS take and...the bigger and...would LB be any more willing to play him than Nellie...:g:

[ohara831]

He would be a nice addition...but what would GS take and...the bigger and...would LB be any more willing to play him than Nellie...:g:

Yeah, considering they already have Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry, not sure if DJ fits into their plans. Unless they wanted to then have trade potential with someone using Monta.

[SWedd523]

I would seriously cream my pants if we pulled off a deal to bring Randolph here. Send them Diaw and Lexy/Flip/DJ for Randolph and Turiaf an whatever Garbo they wanna send to make salaries fit.

[BRNC]

Swedd...they wanted Diaw in the Jax trade...but the way he is under performing now...don't know that they are still interested...he has (Randolf) potential...but I'd worry about LB giving it to him...

Word has it his attitude may not be that great anymore...and frankly...it might just tick LB off to bring in a guy this young (as a starter) and he'd have to start if we traded Diaw...

This is a good read...talks some about him under performing and his attitude...also discusses the "state of the GSWs"...

http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2009/12/15/nobody-on-warriors-untouchable/

[GoBobs]

nate and Jordin Hill for DJ and Flip?

[BRNC]

nate and Jordin Hill for DJ and Flip?

LB can't stand Nate...I doubt that trade would work...

[Slam]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/63424/20091215/warriors_put_randolph_on_block_again/

Oh, my. This will make some Bobcat fans salivate.
Check out page 10 of this thread, about half way down ohara.

You know it got my attention!!

[GoBobs]

he couldn't stand nate the rookie now he is sophmoric

[kickazzz2000]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/63424/20091215/warriors_put_randolph_on_block_again/

Oh, my. This will make some Bobcat fans salivate.

:dribble::dribble::dribble::dribble::dribble::drib ble::dribble::dribble::dribble::dribble::dribble:: dribble::dribble::dribble::dribble::dribble::dribb le::dribble::dribble::dribble::dribble::dribble:

[ohara831]

Check out page 10 of this thread, about half way down ohara.

You know it got my attention!!

LOL!!! I figure you probably had some instinct telling you something was happening before it even hit the presses! You might be in 7th heaven if we landed Randolph. Hope it finds a way to happen!

[Chef]

Chef...if we made a trade for Booz and Crash...they give us a first...all we get from the trade (after this year) is the first...not sure I'd do that...I think the Jazz might though...they just want a solid player since they have no interest in Booz...why they signed Milsap...I just don't think I'd do this one...Booz will walk to the highest bidder...and who knows what we'd get with the first...risky at best...

i am assuming a sign and trade means we get him as a 5 or 6 yr contract. am i incorrect?

[GoBobs]

flip and graham for jeffires

[BRNC]

They can't do a sign and trade until the end of the season...

[spectre]

Spectre...that's the way I remember that one also...I take my knocks against LB but that one was on MJ from all reports I read...

Pretty sure we're right BRNC...I think that was when Felton for Prez found me that lollipop avatar. That was definitely when I stopped giving MJ the benefit of the doubt.

I knew LB can be stupid in trades, but it's hard to beat Crash for TJ freaking Ford.

[BRNC]

spectre...that was exactly how I remember it...and I knock LB for all his crappy trades...but he talked MJ out of that one...and a good thing he did...

[Marvel]

Who was the dumb ass who even offered Crash for TJ Ford............and the Raps turned it down neh neh neh neh neh

[spectre]

Who was the dumb ass who even offered Crash for TJ Ford............and the Raps turned it down neh neh neh neh neh

Jordan. Bernie and the Idiot had him convinced that Felton was a combo and not a point. Remember LB said one of the first things Jordan wanted him to do was to determine what was what with him.

It was a touchy subject with Felton too...I think LB made a point of saying "Raymond is a point guard" during his first news conference.

I can't see LB wanting Ford either...not a strong defender at all.

If nothing else, LB will always have some respect from me because if it wasn't for him Crash wouldn't be a Bobcat today.

[BRNC]

I agree...it would have been one of the most laughable trades ever made...problem is the laugh would have been on us...

[Marvel]

Jordan. Bernie and the Idiot had him convinced that Felton was a combo and not a point. Remember LB said one of the first things Jordan wanted him to do was to determine what was what with him.

It was a touchy subject with Felton too...I think LB made a point of saying "Raymond is a point guard" during his first news conference.

I can't see LB wanting Ford either...not a strong defender at all.

If nothing else, LB will always have some respect from me because if it wasn't for him Crash wouldn't be a Bobcat today.


I remember it clearly and i remember reading all these rumours about us trading Crash and Felton and i was thinking WTF are the FO thinking trading away Crash.Then i read the Raps wanted something more than just Crash for TJ and i was like LOL are you freaking kidding me....oh i'll give LB some respect for talking MJ out of that 1. I want Crash to play his last game here and be the first player to retire his jersey as a Bobcat

[BRNC]

I second that...

[teej]

I want Crash to play his last game here and be the first player to retire his jersey as a Bobcat

Third-ed.

As long as he wants to play, he should have a spot here. And even if he doesn't play long enough to get it "retired" it should at least be "removed from use"

[Chef]

flip and graham for jeffires

did you see jeffries last night? he is awful.

[GoBobs]

did you see jeffries last night? he is awful.

4-6, 1-1 from downtown 6 steals 3 assists 5 rebounds 2 blks 0 turnovers

you sure you were watching the right game?

[Chef]

absolutely, he is not a pf. he is a really weak sf playing pf. everyone in d'antoni's system should get a few points, more rebounds than they would get on any team and with a combined 42 TO's every starter on the floor should have at least a steal or two.

[spectre]

effries is exactly the type of guy LB would want.

I think he might have a trade kicker too, but I'm not sure.

[polarcat]

jared jeffries is not the answer and i hope we never, ever get him here. guy has never averaged double digits (career - 5.3ppg). he is a perfect example of an athlete that has the build and potential but sucks balls as an nba player.

in a different direction, would anyone here be interested in beidrins from the w's? i know randolph is the guy we need, but most gsw fans put a pretty hefty return on him and don't think diaw/dj would get it done. they don't have any place for dj and diaw's value is pretty low. rather than focus on a wet dream that we can't have, what do you guys think it would cost to get beidrins here. 7 footer that is a rebounding machine and only 23. obviously chandler goes out in a deal and would biedrins clash with diaw's style of play down low? 2 euros at the 4 and 5 kinda worry me.

[BRNC]

It will be difficult (at best) to find what we need...I still think Diaw's and DJ's value is too low to get a really good player and a first...that is wishful thinking on my part...and I have serious doubts that Diaw and DJ get Booz and a first rounder from Utah...

I still think our best might be a solid back-up with a future for DJ (and maybe Hulk since he is non-guaranteed)...I think we're stuck with Diaw this year and can only hope he shows up more often...I really hope I'm wrong but that is the best I can see for now...

[Chef]

if they are only interested in money maybe this will work. they are after all, a terrible franchise ownership wise.

out: chandler and ups, 2012 1st (top 3 protected)
in: biedrins, randolph

[Slam]

FOUR TEAM TRADE IDEA!!

We need a back up PF and someone with super star potentinal
Knicks have interest in DJ and cap space for next summer
GSW as seriously short of big men now Beans, Wright and Moore are all down and a PF who can get up and down
Det lack depth


Cha out:
DJ
Gana

Cha in:
Wilcox
A.Randolph

Felts – Jax – Crash – Wilcox – TC
Law – Hendo – UPS – AR - Nazzy

NYK out:
Jefferies
Douglas

NYK in:
DJ
Claxton

DJ – Chandler – Galo – Harrington – Lee
Duhon –Hughes – Bender – Hill – Curry

GSW out:
A.Randolph
Bookie
Claxton

GSW in:
Diaw
Brown

Curry – Monta – Morrow – Diaw – Turiaf
Watson – Raja – Maggette – Radman – Brown

Det out:
Brown
Wilcox

Det in:
Jefferies
Bookie
Gana


Stuckey – Rip – Prince – Jefferies – Wallace
Bynum – Gordon – Bookie – CV - Gana

[SWedd523]

You have Diaw going to a team but not on our outgoing list.


For the trade, I don't think GS would do it. They need more bodies in general even if their bigs rotation would get better.

[GoBobs]

Diaw is better then Wilcox or Randolph

How about,

DJ, Flip, Law, Diop

for

Randolph, Ellis

or just DJ straight up for Randolph

[kickazzz2000]

Diaw is better then Wilcox or Randolph

How about,

DJ, Flip, Law, Diop

for

Randolph, Ellis



Higgins would be arrested.

[GoBobs]

Indeed! I can't even think of how it might make sense for the warriors but nothing they do makes sense. For example why would you trade Jackson for Radman and Bell, considering bells injury.

Really I am pretty much willing to trade everyone on the team though, except for wallace. Here is what we really should be trying to do this year.

Bobcats out:

Chandler
Flip
Naz
Gana
Jackson
DJ
Ajinca
Graham

Keep Raymond and Diaw if they will sign for 6mil a year or so trade them if they demand more.

Keep
Gerald Wallace
Hendo
Brown

Bobcats in:

Chris Bosh (they are going to have to do a sign and trade just a matter of when and to who)
The knicks unrestricted first round pick currently owned by the Jazz (hopefully we win the lotto and land John Wall)
Cap Space which we can use to go after Lebron or Wade

get er done!

[spectre]

Conspiracy theory:

We all know LB is not beyond doing little things to get his way. Could LB have contributed to DJ's dropoff because he wants to trade him? His way of showing Jordan that he's right?

Bonnell's Blog:


I know, for example, that Brown went to D.J. to ask if there was something Brown was doing to make him play so indecisively. And D.J. said there's nothing Brown is doing to rattle him.

Conspiracy theory shot down.

That was an interesting post overall by Bonnell, which was a response to the idea that LB doesn't adjust to the players he has:


I'll try to do this as respectfully as possible...You're way off.
Brown is neither "insultingly stubborn'' nor "completely unwilling to adapt.'' (That would be a far more accurate description of the guy Brown replaced.) You know who would disagree with you most emphatically? The players on this team.
They often say (and I've quoted them on this) how collaborative Brown is; how if a particular approach to a problem isn't working, he'll ask them what would make them more comfortable. And if there's middle ground there, he'll try it their way.
I know, for example, that Brown went to D.J. to ask if there was something Brown was doing to make him play so indecisively. And D.J. said there's nothing Brown is doing to rattle him.
Does he believe strongly in some guiding principles? Absolutely. His teams are expected to guard and pass and drive and get to the foul line. Him telling the players not to jack up guarded 3s early in a possession is his job, not signs he's strident.
There are still a lot of flaws in this picture. But this is by far the best defensive team in franchise history (yeah, I know, damning with faint praise, but also true).
So you linking Diaw's underachievement with some Larry-as-curmudgeon theory is way off.

[ohara831]

Terrific insight in those quotes, Spectre! Thanks for posting it!

[teej]

Bonnell's been a bit snappy lately, hasn't he?

[BRNC]

I really would not argue with what he (Bonnell) says...I don't have much of a problem with it...I don't think I've ever really thought LB was blatant and obvious (discounting NY) in "undermining a players confidence"....

My problem with LB has always been rotations...and if Bonnell is naive enough to think that how players are used (or not used) in rotations does not have a direct impact on them he really is naive...rotations have never been an LB strength and I don't expect it to change...and how much (a guy he has fallen out of "man-crush" ) a player is used in the rotation (consciously or unconsciously on LB's part) does impact their confidence...

[spectre]

Like a lot of folks LB likes the shiny new toy. Last year that was DJ and Gana...this year it's more Flip & the new Nazr.

Being a new toy vet trumps a new toy rookie.

My biggest beef is this not using the bench on the road. It seems our bench just hasn't been the same after that one game where we did so well and then laid an egg using only 8 player the next one.

[BRNC]

spectre...it is really a difficult thing to understand about LB...at least for me...on why (when we get some success) he is so quick to go away from what works...I think I said before...we need a quicker pace to make Crash, Jack, and Ray more successful...we did that (as you pointed out) and still played solid "D"...so what does LB do...slows it down...makes the starters play more minutes...uses the bench in a very ineffective manner (IMO) and things become tough again...

My take...he wants a trade for (as you pointed out) a shiny new toy...to make his point he puts the team in a position to struggle to win...pretty simple for me...and a shame for the team...but again...I have no real idea how much of it is "conscious" on LB's part...

I will add this and feel that is a safe thing to say...if Adelman were coaching this team we'd have 5-7 more "Ws" right now...but Adelman (IMO) is a much better all-around coach...and a hands-down better game coach...

[SWedd523]

Watching the Knicks game in person really showed me why LB has tightened up on his bench. UPS and Bo are both very NBA ready in physical terms. But they just aren't "there" yet mentally. They both made a few stupid errors that a vet (not named Diaw or Chandler) would do.

I guess Larry would rather play vets over rookies if they're going to both make mistakes and I don't know if I fault him that much. Though I'm in the line of thinking that rookies will make mistakes, and if you let them work through those mistakes and let them figure the game out then you're going to benefit (Evans, Casspi, Harden, Flynn) when they become steady contributors

[French_Cats]

Antawn Jamison could be transferred why not take it Diaw + DJ for Mike James and Antawn Jamison

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/dec/18/trade-rumors-swirl-around-woebegone-wizards/

[Black]

Jamison and Blatche

for

Diaw, Augustin, and Lexy

i would pee myself in excitement

[Weezy21]

Jamison and Blatche

for

Diaw, Augustin, and Lexy

i would pee myself in excitement

wizards fans on realgm already said they wouldnt part with blatche unless they were getting something really good in return...and i love jamison but the man plays NO defense so i doubt LB would want him vs. a traditional bruiser down low...but then again i dont no...we might be one of those teams inquiring

[GoBobs]

Dave Feschuk of the Toronto Star: (http://www.thestar.com/sports/basketball/nba/raptors/article/740499--feschuk-raptors-schedule-takes-pressure-off) "Trade the constants of this near-constant misery, especially Chris Bosh, who was taken out of a crucial stretch of Wednesday's embarrassment in Orlando because he was, to use Triano's word, 'tired.' (The all-star, as much as he is putting up great numbers on a bad team, is 25 years old, couldn't lead a Cub pack, plays defence like it's optional, drags around a massive knee brace and, come summertime, will be asking for a six-year maximum-dollar contract worth more than $130 million. I say trade him to the team that thinks that's a good bet.) String up the GM by the virgin-emu-leather soles of his $1,000 loafers ... figuratively, of course. Bryan Colangelo has been here nearly four years and won three playoff games. He is, like Bosh, in a contract year (although fans will be comforted to know that the deal gives CEO Richard Peddie and his esteemed board of directors an option to employ Colangelo for another season). Colangelo has said it himself this season: 'If you want to blame someone, blame me.' Fair enough.

the combo of the knee brace and the contract he is going to sign almost gives me pause

[GOBOBCATS24]

I would LOVE to get Jamison. Hes awesome. And about that defense you were talking of, or lack of. We would be trading diaw who is that much of a defensive matermind himself. They have very similar styles of play but Jamison is just not french. nuff said. I'd pull the trigger on that trade a couple posts ago in a heartbeat. I've wanted him on the bobcats from day 1

[Chef]

cats out: chandler, diaw
in: jamison, haywood, foye

we could add dj or our 2nd if they wanted. jamison has at least 1 good year. haywood is an expiring or we could resign him. foye gives us a solid 2 back up.

felton/law/flip
jax/foye
crash/jax/ups
jamison/crash/ups
haywood/naz/diop

[teej]

cats out: chandler, diaw
in: jamison, haywood, foye


felton/law/flip
jax/foye
crash/jax/ups
jamison/crash/ups
haywood/naz/diop

I do seem to remember those criticizing the team for being pro-Tar Heel...would this alleviate that at all? 3 starting Heels, a Heel GM (basically) and three Heels on the coaching staff. Poor Hendo might commit suicide :biggrin:

[SWedd523]

The three Heels though would be very, very good.

[teej]

The three Heels though would be very, very good.

2/3rd's. Brenda Haywood isn't what we need down low. Unless you were talking about the coaches...

[SWedd523]

2/3rd's. Brenda Haywood isn't what we need down low. Unless you were talking about the coaches...
Isn't Tyson billed as nothing more than a great defensive Center? Haywood is a better defender and pulls in more boards. Dude really emerged last year before the injury and has continued his improved play this year. (10/11/2 shooting .517)

[teej]

Isn't Tyson billed as nothing more than a great defensive Center? Haywood is a better defender and pulls in more boards. Dude really emerged last year before the injury and has continued his improved play this year. (10/11/2 shooting .517)

Contract year FTW.

So you know, the main complaint about that Wizards "team" is just that, they aren't a team but rather a collection of individuals looking to get theirs. I don't really want to destroy that, and Diaw's the only one not playing team ball. For all TC's faults, he's a great team guy.

[Walt Cronkite]

Out: Our junk
In: Good players from another team

Success!

[teej]

Out: Our junk
In: Good players from another team

Success!

Ding Ding Ding! We've got a winner!

[SWedd523]

Contract year FTW.
As I said, he was putting these numbers up last year before he had the injury so that goes out the door.



So you know, the main complaint about that Wizards "team" is just that, they aren't a team but rather a collection of individuals looking to get theirs. I don't really want to destroy that, and Diaw's the only one not playing team ball. For all TC's faults, he's a great team guy.
And so you know, the main complaint about Stephen "Used to be Captain" Jackson is that he's a bad character guy and a bad influence. We've see how that turned out. Just because that's what they say, doesn't mean its true.

[BRNC]

Jax never had the "bad influence" rap that I know of...he's always been known as a "great teammate"...his moments with coaches have been few and far....

...now his off the court party time...yes he is all that....

[Chef]

Jax never had the "bad influence" rap that I know of...he's always been known as a "great teammate"...his moments with coaches have been few and far....

...now his off the court party time...yes he is all that....

he just spent the last 2 months publicly crying for a trade, driving his value down and upsetting the whole club (granted nellie is the driving force). i think jax is doing great for us, i am afraid that by year 2 and half of his 4 year deal he will get unhappy again and bring us down. it seems to be his pattern.

[BRNC]

Chef...he came out "once" and said he wanted to be traded...that was it...and the reason he gave, paraphrase here, "the team is not going in a direction to win...and I'm getting older..."....he did not bang Nellie and even said he still liked him...other guys in the league (Shaq comes to mind quickly) have basically done the same thing and it does not make them "bad guys" but realist about their situations...

Raja and Boris did the same thing with the Suns before the JRich trade...did that make them bad guys? Driving value down I agree...this time we took advantage...with the Suns we did not...

...but let me add this...players (Diaw in particular) can drive their value down without ever saying a word...they do it on the court...I'd rather have a player play good (and still get something) and say something than play like "crap" and not even be able to trade them except for garbage...

[teej]

Chef...he came out "once" and said he wanted to be traded...that was it...and the reason he gave, paraphrase here, "the team is not going in a direction to win...and I'm getting older..."....he did not bang Nellie and even said he still liked him...other guys in the league (Shaq comes to mind quickly) have basically done the same thing and it does not make them "bad guys" but realist about their situations...

Raja and Boris did the same thing with the Suns before the JRich trade...did that make them bad guys? Driving value down I agree...this time we took advantage...with the Suns we did not...

...but let me add this...players (Diaw in particular) can drive their value down without ever saying a word...they do it on the court...I'd rather have a player play good (and still get something) and say something than play like "crap" and not even be able to trade them except for garbage...
Great post. Jack just gets a bad rap in the media because of the brawl.

And swedd, I've watched the Wizards multiple times on tv, it's not a misconception. Plus, last year was a small smaple size on Brenda.

[spectre]

They told Jax & Monta that they were going to trade the pick for a veteran + give them more help and then pretty much did the exact opposite (remember the Amare rumors). That's why both of them were upset.

There's been a power play going on in GSW and the product on the court wasn't the number one concern.

Jax has always been known as a great team mate. As BRNC said it was his off court stuff that gave him a bad rep.

[CatNation]

I wouldn't mind nabbing Jamison. If we can't use Boris effectively then we should trade him, Jamison does what we want Boris to do which is rebound and be aggressive. You have to take the defensive drop off with that. If Washington wants to blow it up then Diaw would be a great guy to have around the youngins with his team ball/defensive mentality.

Adding a 20/10 guy to our front court would probably draw more attention and give Tyson more open looks than fancy Diaw passes bouncing off his hands/head/legs out of bounds anyway

[GoBobs]

Out: Our junk
In: Good players from another team

Success!

Bobcats out: Jackson, Naz
Cavs out: Z (gets bought out and goes back to the cavs), JJ Hickson, 1st round pick

Bobcats out: Chandler, DJ, JJ Hickson, 1st round pick form cavs, Flilp, AC (gets waived and picked up by GS)
Raptors out: Bosh, Marcus Banks

Diop/Ajinca
Bosh/Diaw
Wallace/Brown
Hendo/Graham
Felton/Banks

Next summer we would be under the cap and be able to go after a big free agent if we renounce felton. We could then try to resign him or another point guard for the mid lvl. We would have banks for another year but we can always sign some guards to fill our roster cheaply, Chris Lofton a Eddie House clone playing in europe would be good as a backup. LB can always find some guys. Bosh, Wallace and a free agent would give us three big time stars all fairly young.

[SWedd523]

Never said Jack was a bad teammate.

[Chef]

Great post. Jack just gets a bad rap in the media because of the brawl.

And swedd, I've watched the Wizards multiple times on tv, it's not a misconception. Plus, last year was a small smaple size on Brenda.

guys, i didn't say i don't want him on the team or that he wasn't a good teammate. i totally get why he was upset. i would be furious and hopeless if i was wasting a good career in golden state. my point was that as a passionate player who sometimes in his younger wilder days went a little overboard with his emotions. i just hope that we don't hit our ceiling somewhere in the 8-6 seed range and he gets frustrated with the team. but, to be clear, he has been very good for this team. he and gerald are great together, tyson seems to be behind the team despite his multi-suckiness and the team is playing pretty good ball. i would definitely do this trade again.

[BRNC]

Chef...I get your concern...and it is legit...but Jax held the line with GS until they basically lied to him...I think if they'd brought in a respectable vet as they told him he would not have ask for the trade...but you have a legit concern IMO but I just don't see it as long as he feels the organization is trying to win...

[BRNC]

I don't know how we make any trade when the only guy we have of any value we can afford to trade is DJ...

Diaw and Chandler have no value at this point...

[Chef]

I don't know how we make any trade when the only guy we have of any value we can afford to trade is DJ...

Diaw and Chandler have no value at this point...

worst part is dj has no value either. we may have to trade jack or wallace to get anyone to bite. unless we wait until the deadline and try to move them (diaw, chandler, dj) to a contender.

[BRNC]

worst part is dj has no value either. we may have to trade jack or wallace to get anyone to bite. unless we wait until the deadline and try to move them (diaw, chandler, dj) to a contender.

DJ is working his value up...the other two I have serious doubts about...I see three (obvious to me) ways to go...

1) Trade DJ straight up for a back-up PF...

2) Try and package DJ and Diaw or Chandler...but if Diaw goes you have to bring back two PFs...kinda hard to pull off...

3) Take back a really bad contract...and if it is a guy like Brand (and I know they are revisiting this on RealGM) you take a real chance (if/when he gets injured again) of having no money and no ability to get anything better than a D-Leaguer...we've tried that before and how did it work for us...

IMO
#1 is probably the best we can do...

#2 only happens if we wait out and some other team becomes desperate...

#3 I would not do under any circumstances...I'd rather have what we have and hope that LB eventually sits Boris (if he can't pick it up) and go with UPS than nail us to the wall for 3-5 years with a really crappy contract...

Sometimes (as in always) it is better to dig yourself out of the hole you made than accept the anvil someone else is throwing you...

[dav7z]

worst part is dj has no value either. we may have to trade jack or wallace to get anyone to bite. unless we wait until the deadline and try to move them (diaw, chandler, dj) to a contender.

I think S Williams a trubled player with tons of talent . For Law isn't much of a risk. Hes a very physical player . God forbid i say this but starting i think he could post a regular 12 and 8 , and if given the chance under Brown i think he he could post much more . He reminds me of a poor mans R Wallace.

This would be a very low risk high reward trade.

[BRNC]

Jake in OKC:
Knowing OKC actually had Tyson Chandler in a trade, do you think they regret sending him back to New Orleans? He seems like he would have been a good fit inside.

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Bill Ingram:

That was just bizarre . . .he had a toe issue, but he's been able to play a lot of games and looks as good as he ever has. The Thunder do still have a need at center, even though Krstic is a solid addition. So perhaps . . .

This is from an Ingram chat today...I like it because (early in this thread) I've thought OKC would be our best trading partner...I'd like us to make a deal with them...but I also put it under "wishful thinking" on my part...

[Fred Williamson]

Collison + Etan Thomas for Chandler.

DO IT ROD!

[Walt Cronkite]

Collison + Etan Thomas for Chandler.

DO IT ROD!
Cosign. Stupid Chandler.

[BRNC]

Collison + Etan Thomas for Chandler.

DO IT ROD!

I'd do that trade in a heart-beat for us....

[Chef]

does that guy even watch chandler? if this is as good as he ever looked, who the hell paid him $10mil a year?

[BRNC]

does that guy even watch chandler? if this is as good as he ever looked, who the hell paid him $10mil a year?

chef...he was the "best" big-man FA the year he got his contract...he simply lucked out as we all know happens...he was "suppose" to have some upside...but what you see is what you get...

OKC definitely needs an inside defensive presence and not many of those guys available...when Collison was out (earlier this year) OKC did fine so he might be a guy they are willing to trade...Thomas expiring (since they already have two first) really only helps with someone like Collison (salary offsets)...

I think for us it is a matter of Presti deciding he can't do any better...TC (as an expiring next year) does not hurt his (Presti) long term plans...it (this trade) does not get us a first but I think would really help us...short and long term...

[Chef]

chef...he was the "best" big-man FA the year he got his contract...he simply lucked out as we all know happens...he was "suppose" to have some upside...but what you see is what you get...

OKC definitely needs an inside defensive presence and not many of those guys available...when Collison was out (earlier this year) OKC did fine so he might be a guy they are willing to trade...Thomas expiring (since they already have two first) really only helps with someone like Collison (salary offsets)...

I think for us it is a matter of Presti deciding he can't do any better...TC (as an expiring next year) does not hurt his (Presti) long term plans...it (this trade) does not get us a first but I think would really help us...short and long term...

well then i would be giddy to get rid of his punk ass. toe or no toe if you are over 7 feet tall you better be able to rebound.

[SWedd523]

I'd trade them whatever he wants with Tyson other than Felton, Jack, and Crash if we can get a first out of the deal

[Chrystos]

Guys I have the best trade.

Bobcats out: The whole Bobcats roster

Lakers Out: The whole Lakers roster

Bobcats in:the Lakers roster

Lakers in:the Bobcats roster

I'm telling you, It would work.

[SWedd523]

Guys I have the best trade.

Bobcats out: The whole Bobcats roster

Lakers Out: The whole Lakers roster

Bobcats in:the Lakers roster

Lakers in:the Bobcats roster

I'm telling you, It would work.
Hell no. Sasha is a loser ;)

[dav7z]

THOUGHTS
I would do this


Golden State wants Maggs gone bad .

Charlotte out, Diaw, Flip
Golden State out Maggs, Randolph.
We do this


We add Maggs at 16 ppg 5 boards in limited play
We get a long term answer at p/f in Randolph
I could vision a quick line up of Jax, Wallace, Maggs, Randolph, Felton , everone could switch , A match up hell with four players who could play four positions
We couldn't start that way but it would be great in sperts.

They do this
To get rid of Maggs contract three years ?

They add a passing big man whitch would work wonders for Monta, Curry , and Birdins
Diaw would alow them to spread the floor for the long jumpers . Taking pressure off Curry and Monta to distribute.

Maggs contract 3 years
Randolph 2 years
Diaw 2 years
Flip Expiring

Thoughts

[SWedd523]

I don't know how much I like Maggs and his contract, much less his dumber-than-a-brick intelligence. He's a solid player and would be an improvement on Diaw, but I'd want something more than just that out of the deal, I'd send a 2nd for a 1st also or something.

[dav7z]

I don't know how much I like Maggs and his contract, much less his dumber-than-a-brick intelligence. He's a solid player and would be an improvement on Diaw, but I'd want something more than just that out of the deal, I'd send a 2nd for a 1st also or something.
AGREEDED

Its tough taking on Maggs , and his contract. But im thinking it adds debth . A better fit at power foward in Randolph . It all so allows Brown more crazy lineups. . Much more bench scoring in Maggs,
DJ should fit well with Maggs all so better than Flip.

Our starters '
TC, Randolph, Wallace, Jax , Felton
If Brown would we could stay strong with our beanch
DJ, Hendo, Maggs, UPS, Nazz= The Dean Smith blue team^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Five in five out, and press like hell . Would be fun to watch even if we lost.

[Chef]

mags is a cancer/black hole, he's old and not as effective as he used to be, can't shoot very well and expensive. his contract would come back to haunt us for sure.

[dav7z]

mags is a cancer/black hole, he's old and not as effective as he used to be, can't shoot very well and expensive. his contract would come back to haunt us for sure.



Maggs is averaging 16ppg 5 boards in 23 mins of play per game. Thats not a bad clip.

Diaw is no prize either , 11 ppg 3 boards 3 assist at best , Though we add a extra year in Maggs contract.

But we giving crap for crap hear . Our main reason is Randolph , Hes the incentive for us to do this.

JAX is and was considered a cancer as much as Maggs , If we could get just what hes doing now . I would think it would be a win for us.

[Chef]

mags is 4 years 9 mil. no thanks.

plus, we are absolutely full of sf's right now.

[GoBobs]

We don't need anyone on GS roster not named curry. Randolph doesn't play that great and already wants a big contract.

Trade Chandler to the Thunder or anyone else that will give us an expiring contract.

Trade Jax for an asset and package him with diop or naz for another expiring contract.

Diaw would be a good 6th man utility player but I would trade him if something great came along.

[BRNC]

I still like the Collison and Thomas since Thomas is an expiring and Collison would be an expiring next year (although I'd resign him)...

Thing is swedd...Presti had interest in DJ and they have two first...would you do...

DJ, Hulk, and Ty to OKC

for

Collison, Thomas, and one of their first?


I think (via trade) it might be our only way to get a first...and might be our only way to get Collison (by adding DJ)...

[BETCATS]

I still like the Collison and Thomas since Thomas is an expiring and Collison would be an expiring next year (although I'd resign him)...

Thing is swedd...Presti had interest in DJ and they have two first...would you do...

DJ, Hulk, and Ty to OKC

for

Collison, Thomas, and one of their first?


I think (via trade) it might be our only way to get a first...and might be our only way to get Collison (by adding DJ)...

They wont trade Thomas. He is their veteran leader. Every year Presti brings in one veteran to lead. Last year it was Malik Rose, this year is Thomas. He means too much to them to be given up for what we are offering.

[BRNC]

Would anyone make this trade with the Kings...I would not but they (Kings) are pushing Nocioni and Thomas expires...

Bobcats out:

Ty...AC...and Hulk

Bobcats in:

Nocioni and K. Thomas

[SWedd523]

Where would Nocioni play?

[BRNC]

That's the problem I have...we'd only gain Thomas coming off the books...unless we could set up to sen Nocioni to another team...but I doubt that...

I was just reviewing the most "openly known" guys that teams want to move...K. Thomas is a PF (undersized) and could (cough-cough) be an expiring back-up...but what do you do with Nocioni if we're not moving him to another team...

That's why I would not do it...but Kings are pretty desperate to move him...but I see no real help for us in that deal...

[GoBobs]

if only the Jazz would do TC, DJ, and Flip for Booz

drools.....

[BRNC]

I'm kinda wondering what Utah is setting up by trading Maynor...I know R. Price is there but kinda risky/thin at PG...does give one pause...

[teej]

I'm kinda wondering what Utah is setting up by trading Maynor...I know R. Price is there but kinda risky/thin at PG...does give one pause...

Lowering their tax bill by 8 million, for one.

With D.Will and Price, all they need is a veteran backup to ride the pine. And there are plenty available.

[BRNC]

...very true...but they'd like to get something for Booz also...I think they have more trades coming...not with us unless they are willing to take either AC or Flip...I don't see MJ letting DJ go...even in a trade for Booz (one year rental)...

The only reason I say this teej is they still need to cut salary...they double the savings (over the cap) for every million they can cut at this point...

[BRNC]

Here is another thought for you teej...(and I know it is wishful thinking on my part)...with Joel Przybilla out with a knee injury and Oden gone for the year maybe we can foist Diop off on the Trail Blazers....:biggrin:

[Black]

Livingston is being released in case we do wind up trading DJ...I know he obviously isnt very good if he's being released, but worth a look

[BRNC]

I doubt we trade DJ now...MJ seems to have spoken on the matter..and since then LB is playing him again and he (DJ) has fine...so I just don't see it...

AC or Flip are much more likely to go (IMO) in a package if we make a trade...

[teej]

Here is another thought for you teej...(and I know it is wishful thinking on my part)...with Joel Przybilla out with a knee injury and Oden gone for the year maybe we can foist Diop off on the Trail Blazers....:biggrin:

If we could get Diop anywhere without taking back salary, then I think all of us would in a heartbeat.

As for the Jazz, according to Stein on ESPN (who is one of their better guys) they aren't planning on moving Boozer unless they love the deal, as the owner is ok with 4 mil.

[BRNC]

Stein is not bad and probably correct...teams in the West that I know want/need a big are Kings, Nuggets, and Trail Blazers...if we could move Diop and AC to Blazers for Outlaw and Blake I'd be fine with it...no way the Blazers would do it though...

Kings trade I would not do...Nocioni and K. Thomas...

Nuggets I don't think we match for a trade at all...

...and I left out OKC wanting a defensive center...but I doubt they take Ty or Diop...but who knows...

[Fred Williamson]

As long as MJ is involved in Basketball decisions, you guys can forget about trading DJ.

[BRNC]

Well...one positive...I finally had an answer to one of my "chat" questions...David Thorpe now taking place...

Larry (BR, NC)
Mr. Thorpe...since you did not answer my Tyson Chandler and B. Diaw (chance of them being traded)...should I assume that there is no interest in either around the league?
David Thorpe (12:23 PM)




No, assume that I have no idea.




I guess it would be difficult to assume that there is no interest...probably safer to assume no "conversation" about these two since the "ESPNers" do talk...


That's all I know today on our trade front guys...

addition: I should add that my first question (not answered) was if there was anything he'd heard, around the league, concerning Ty or Diaw being traded?

[BRNC]

Thorpe just answered a question on DJ...

Alex (Harrisburg, PA)



Who will be the better point guard of the future? Bayless or Augustin?

David Thorpe (12:52 PM)




Bayless, but where they end up will make the biggest difference.

[Muttley]

Trade restrictions that end soon which might affect a delay in trade talk:

Graham - Untradable until 12/28
Flip - Untradable until 12/25

If either of these two are to be included in a trade, then it cannot be until these dates. Perhaps we will see movement of one of Diaw/Tyson around/after these dates.

Personally, I think Ty tries, but he's got to learn to catch the damn ball. Last night it didn't look to me as though there was any issue between he and Wallace, aside from Tyson's unproductivity. If he can catch and finish, then problems will go away. I bet if we had a more productive and physical PF, then Tyson's numbers would improve too. However, if he's injured as is now reported to be the case, albeit a slight injury, then no team would take him in the next week anyways.

As for Diaw, he has a wealth of talent, but is not using. This, to me, seems more like a choice. If he wants out, then let's get him out. I'd rather play Diop with Tyson (for all the sense that would make) than a pouty and apathetic Diaw.

Who might take him/them? I don't know. Portland's hurting for a big, perhaps they'd have interest in Ty or Diop. I doubt it, but I wonder if they'd be willing to put Oden in a trade because of his reoccuring injuries. Since his contract is smaller than Ty's and lasts the same number of years, I'd be willing to take the risk solely for monetary reasons. Plus, if he plays well and is healthy next year (his contract year) then we know he can be more productive than Chandler. I'm thinking KP wouldn't send Oden our way, but just maybe he would be desparate enough to do it. They do have 5 players out at the moment (including and especially, Oden and Pryzbilla for the season). Maybe we don't make great trade parters, though, since both teams are looking for big men.

[dav7z]

Trade restrictions that end soon which might affect a delay in trade talk:

Graham - Untradable until 12/28
Flip - Untradable until 12/25

If either of these two are to be included in a trade, then it cannot be until these dates. Perhaps we will see movement of one of Diaw/Tyson around/after these dates.

Personally, I think Ty tries, but he's got to learn to catch the damn ball. Last night it didn't look to me as though there was any issue between he and Wallace, aside from Tyson's unproductivity. If he can catch and finish, then problems will go away. I bet if we had a more productive and physical PF, then Tyson's numbers would improve too. However, if he's injured as is now reported to be the case, albeit a slight injury, then no team would take him in the next week anyways.

As for Diaw, he has a wealth of talent, but is not using. This, to me, seems more like a choice. If he wants out, then let's get him out. I'd rather play Diop with Tyson (for all the sense that would make) than a pouty and apathetic Diaw.

Who might take him/them? I don't know. Portland's hurting for a big, perhaps they'd have interest in Ty or Diop. I doubt it, but I wonder if they'd be willing to put Oden in a trade because of his reoccuring injuries. Since his contract is smaller than Ty's and lasts the same number of years, I'd be willing to take the risk solely for monetary reasons. Plus, if he plays well and is healthy next year (his contract year) then we know he can be more productive than Chandler. I'm thinking KP wouldn't send Oden our way, but just maybe he would be desparate enough to do it. They do have 5 players out at the moment (including and especially, Oden and Pryzbilla for the season). Maybe we don't make great trade parters, though, since both teams are looking for big men.

How many passes went to the post to Chandler and How many passes in the post went to Nazz. Out or the three passes he got he missed one TO, missed a lay two, And got fouled.
On the time he got fouled Wallace went to high five him and and he didn't accknowledge it at all. Borris just played sceared and with out confidence. But Chandler just stunk up the cable box last night .

Did any one see him fall , limp , get carried off the floor any thing . All i saw was him pitch his useual fit after another stupid foul . He walked off the floor and set down . He didn.t even stop and say any thing to Brown . I think he just got jerked be cause his attitude my self.

[dav7z]

Wilcox and a second for Law .

Thoughts

Wilcox this year and next at 3 milion a year.

[Muttley]

For discussion's sake:

Portland - New York - Charlotte trade idea:

Charlotte Out
Diop ($6m - 3 years)
Diaw ($9m - 2 years)

Charlotte In
Jeffries ($6.4m - 2 years)
Mobley ($9.5m - 1 year, being paid by insurance)
Hill ($2.4 - 2 years)

Financially, this is great for the 'Cats. Talentwise, an unused Diop and a pouty (maybe scared, as Dav7z suggests) Diaw become Jeffries and Hill. Both are taller PFs than Diaw and they might just fit better.

New York Out
Jeffries ($6.4m - 2 years)
Mobley ($9.5m - 1 year, being paid by insurance)
Hill ($2.4 - 2 years)

New York In
Diaw ($9m - 2 years)
J. Howard ($825k - 1 year)
Blake ($4m - 1 year)

For dollars & years, essentially, Diaw = Jeffries + Hill, but I'm thinking D'Antoni would prefer Diaw. Blake helps them with buying out Nate without affecting their salary for next year.

Portland Out
Blake ($4m - 1 year)
J. Howard ($825k - 1 year)

Portland In
Diop ($6m - 3 years)

They take on more years, and more salary, but they don't currently have a center. Would they part with Blake, though?

[Muttley]

How many passes went to the post to Chandler and How many passes in the post went to Nazz. Out or the three passes he got he missed one TO, missed a lay two, And got fouled.
On the time he got fouled Wallace went to high five him and and he didn't accknowledge it at all. Borris just played sceared and with out confidence. But Chandler just stunk up the cable box last night .

Did any one see him fall , limp , get carried off the floor any thing . All i saw was him pitch his useual fit after another stupid foul . He walked off the floor and set down . He didn.t even stop and say any thing to Brown . I think he just got jerked be cause his attitude my self.

Interesting observation. I definitely didn't see Tyson get injured at any point, just read it in the papers. I also didn't see him leave Wallace hanging with the high-five. I'd hate to find that he's faking an injury or embelishing an injury to get out of having to play with the team. The 'Cats don't need players like that. If that's the case, then Ty can go hang out with Kareem Rush. I'm just guessing at what's going on in Boris and Tyson's heads, and you may have it right.


Wilcox and a second for Law .

Thoughts

Wilcox this year and next at 3 milion a year.

Sure. I see no reason not to try and use Acie to get another forward.
In addition, he can be traded with others on January 16th.


Edit: ESPN trade checker says this trade does not work, but with DJ's slightly higher salary, it would. (I would not.)

[Slam]

How about:

Char out:
Felton - T.Chandler
Char in:
Miller - Jefferies - Hill

NYK out:
Jefferies - W.Chandler - Hill
NYK in:
Felton - Outlaw

Port out:
Miller - Outlaw
Port in:
T.Chandler - W.Chandler

CHAR:
Get a good PG on a fair deal who brings vet leadership, a back up PF in Jefferies and a great young prospect big in Hill who can play the 4 or 5

NYK:
Get a PG who is also a one year contract, Outlaw who is a one year contract and get rid of Jefferies $$$$ off the books trying to free up as much LBJ room as possible.

PORT:
With no Oden and no JP they bring in T.Chandler to hold it down and still push for the playoffs. With no Rudy or Batum they get W.Chandler to boster their SF position with the rebounding/energy SF they have been looking for.

[teej]

Slam, would Ray want to go to NYK?

Muttley, even with the insurance doesn't that put us over the tax?

Dav, great observations. If that's the case, Ty can go to hell.

[Muttley]

Sounds okay with me, though Ray's been playing better lately, but do you think he'd approve of the trade?

[Muttley]

Muttley, even with the insurance doesn't that put us over the tax?

Yes, by a mill or so, I think. So, considering the $9mill Bob doesn't have to pay, plus the couple million he'd pay for being over the cap, plus the millions he wouldn't get back from the league for being under the tax, I think it would amount to a wash.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

How about:

Char out:
Felton - T.Chandler
Char in:
Miller - Jefferies - Hill

NYK out:
Jefferies - W.Chandler - Hill
NYK in:
Felton - Outlaw

Port out:
Miller - Outlaw
Port in:
T.Chandler - W.Chandler


do we really see the knicks making a trade now that they're winning?

[Slam]

Sounds okay with me, though Ray's been playing better lately, but do you think he'd approve of the trade?
You've brought up a good point Muttley.

The way I look at it is:

- NYC isn't that far from home for him - which we all know is a priority for Felts.

- NYC is THE biggest basketball market which has to be some what attractive.

- NYC is postioning themseleves to land LBJ and playing PG next to a guy like that has got to be attractive - even more so if they land Bosh as well!!

- NYC has Mike D's up and down game which would really play to his strengths.

He might not like the idea, but I think there is a lot to like about it for him.

[Slam]

do we really see the knicks making a trade now that they're winning?
If it means getting out of Jefferies contract giving them a better shot at the '10 FA's while improving their point play I don't see why not?

[Muttley]

All good points Slam. I can see the draw for Felton, but there's also no guarantee that NYK would resign him next season.In another direction, RGM's got a story that Memphis is apparently looking for yet another guard, and were going to sign Von Wafer except that:1. They didn't like his physical.2. They had interest in a sudden trade proposal.We've got guards. Think they want one of them? How about Acie for DeMarre Carroll or Haddadi? (disclaimer: I haven't checked if either work, yet.)

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

If it means getting out of Jefferies contract giving them a better shot at the '10 FA's while improving their point play I don't see why not?

i don't know much about jefferies contract and how badly they want to get out of it. just know that they're starting to win more games and play better, so i wonder if they would be willing to disrupt the offense (give up w. chandler) and jeopardize their playoffs opportunities again this year in hopes of getting lebron

[Muttley]

i don't know much about jefferies contract and how badly they want to get out of it. just know that they're starting to win more games and play better, so i wonder if they would be willing to disrupt the offense (give up w. chandler) and jeopardize their playoffs opportunities again this year in hopes of getting lebron

I think they absolutely would.Also, doesn't moving W. Chandler and Jeffries for 2 expirings leave them with ONLY rookie contracts next year? That's what they're after.

[teej]

I think they absolutely would.Also, doesn't moving W. Chandler and Jeffries for 2 expirings leave them with ONLY rookie contracts next year? That's what they're after.

They'd still have Eddy Curry...but other than him yes.

And they couldn't care less about this season. It's LeBron or bust.

[BRNC]

Guys Ty is not an expiring this year so no way the Knicks take him...and there is a lot of talk (analyst I've read last couple of days) speculating none of the top tier FAs will go to the Knicks...given that they speculate the Knicks will target J. Johnson, Ray, and TT....the TT I doubt since they could already have him...JJ and Ray would be a coup for them and allow them to resign Lee...not very good for us since NY will over-pay Ray if they miss out on LBJ...

[spectre]

In regards to him being "near home"...his parents now live in Charlotte last I heard, and they were willing to move because Latta is what, less than a 2 hour drive?

I doubt being near home would be a deal breaker in the end tho...It'll be those Bird Rights. I don't see him giving those up at all. In order for NY to retain him they'd have to use some of their FA money and I don't think they'd be willing to do that. However...they could certainly do a S&T with us this summer thereby keeping some of their free space.

Felton is going to want that S&T option available and I don't see him approving any trade that gives it up. If he does then odds are much stronger he'll have to take a MLE deal from someone (and if rumors are correct he wanted more than that this past summer).

I thought NY wanted DJ instead of Felton? This would work and would be more realistic:

Char out:
DJ - T.Chandler - Law
Char in:
Miller - Jefferies - Hill

NYK out:
Jefferies - W.Chandler - Hill
NYK in:
DJ - Law - Outlaw

Port out:
Miller - Outlaw
Port in:
T.Chandler - W.Chandler

It would work without Law but we'd be taking on a couple million in salary which would push us too close (if not over) the luxury limit.

Getting Miller would also take away a lot of power Felton will have this summer over us. LB would most likely be content enough in switching out those two. Switching Felton for DJ? Don't see it.

[Chef]

if we traded to get jj i think i would quit following the team. there is a reason the knicks can't get rid of him. why are we trying to figure out ways to make the knicks better and give them the ability to sign to max fa's (ending any hopes for us for a decade) and make us worse with their overpaid crap?