Gun Control

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Originally Posted by bing!

- there are thousands of schools, hence, thousands of security guards; your experience accounts for one of them, which is insufficient

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can you find me a case where a teacher or school security guard did do what you're suggesting becomes more likely?

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- I never said that carrying a firearm would make them go berserk, I merely stated that errors in judgements and accidents involving guns would become more likely (again, it's a matter of math, not something one can refute)

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Again, can you find any empirical and quantifiable evidence to probe that premise or is it grounded solely in opinion?

the general population of the USA is far too stupid, high strung and mentally unstable to all be carrying guns. teachers are some of the worst. the inevitable Trayvon Martinesque incidents between student and teacher that would happen all over the country within a week of arming teachers would be disastrous

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Originally Posted by CatNation

the general population of the USA is far too stupid, high strung and mentally unstable to all be carrying guns. teachers are some of the worst. the inevitable Trayvon Martinesque incidents between student and teacher that would happen all over the country within a week of arming teachers would be disastrous

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,404721,00.html

Article is 4 years old. Haven't heard a word about a teacher shooting a student or any sort of ND

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Originally Posted by SWedd523

How would you explain Switzerland bing?

Second highest gun proliferated nation in the world yet has one of the lowest murder rates in the world. Same goes for places like Finland, Sweden, and others.

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Low poverty and a robust social safety net will do that. It's not the guns keeping people civil.

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Originally Posted by Bogg

Low poverty and a robust social safety net will do that. It's not the guns keeping people civil.

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And it isnt the guns making people evil either, like so many seem to assume here.

So instead of going after these black rifles, the fed should work on fixing the more pressing issues at hand?

Combination of things. The truth of the matter is that the vast majority of violence committed with guns is the small scale one, two, or three homicide shootings that get a 30-second blurb on the evening news and that's it. Keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally unstable (including people with clean criminal records but with histories of alcohol/drug abuse) is going to do far more in terms of addressing gun violence than banning one particular type of weapon. Unfortunately(for some), a big part of that would be a beefed-up screening process with more in-depth background checks; vastly increased oversight on gun dealers; and, yes, that boogeyman that gun-rights advocates hold over their audiences' heads: universal registration of firearms.

That being said, if someone does get it into their head that they're going to commit a mass-shooting event, you can kill more people faster with a military-style rifle than you can with a revolver.

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Originally Posted by SWedd523

So instead of going after these black rifles, the fed should work on fixing the more pressing issues at hand?

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And what exactly are those "more pressing issues"?

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Originally Posted by isguros

And what exactly are those "more pressing issues"?

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If you have to ask then it's a pointless discussion

No thoughts about screening processes?

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Originally Posted by Bogg

Combination of things. The truth of the matter is that the vast majority of violence committed with guns is the small scale one, two, or three homicide shootings that get a 30-second blurb on the evening news and that's it. Keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally unstable (including people with clean criminal records but with histories of alcohol/drug abuse) is going to do far more in terms of addressing gun violence than banning one particular type of weapon. Unfortunately(for some), a big part of that would be a beefed-up screening process with more in-depth background checks; vastly increased oversight on gun dealers; and, yes, that boogeyman that gun-rights advocates hold over their audiences' heads: universal registration of firearms.

That being said, if someone does get it into their head that they're going to commit a mass-shooting event, you can kill more people faster with a military-style rifle than you can with a revolver.

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first off, the vast majority (something like 75% of gun murders are directly related to the illegal drug economy. if you want to drastically cut our gun murder rate, legalize ALL drugs, including Rx drugs. no prescription required and no drug outlawed. poof, the vast majority of the murders in this country as well as the overcrowding in prisons due to mandatory drug sentences goes away.

but, there is too much money and power involved, so the gov't would never actually want to deal with the problem. plus, the majority of those murders are black men and teens and unfortunately they don't get the same attention mostly white elementary school kids do, so it is deemed ok for that to happen.

and i will (nor any gun owner i know) will register any gun. history repeatedly shows that the gas chambers and genocide perpetrated by the gov't follows pretty closely behind. i am not 100% sure, but pretty sure it goes against the 4th amendment. the government does not have the authority to require registration or a license to own any product, much less one that is constitutionally protected and essential in the process of protecting one's right to life and liberty.