Jackson not young-Star players over 31

[Dexmor]

So how much time to Jackson have left? I would say he could be like a Billups were he has more time then usual for a wing for 2 reasons A.He doesn't jump more then 2 inches anyway and B.He is a 6'8 sg.


So here are some good stars at that age and I hope there are at least 10

Guys who have not feel off or not fell off alot

Kobe
Billups
Jackson
Pierce
Hedo
Carter
Duncan
Hamilton
Jamison
Allen
Kidd
Davis
Manu
DreMiller
Dirk

Now this list seems nice and long thank the lorta but there are plenty of guys that just fall off at that age like KG and Marion.
Am I being a homer to think Jack can be like Billups since he doesn't use any athletism whatsoever and is 3 inches taller then all the other 2's?

[ajbry]

Jack's been an underwhelming NBA athlete for years now. It can be masked if you play him at the 3, but his natural position will always be the 2.

His game has never been predicated on quickness or athletic ability (which is somewhat rare among guards). In that aspect, he'll be well equipped to adjust as he gets older. However, there will be games where his opponent at the 2 is simply quicker and the team defensive concept will need to change in order to deal with that.

And, as we've seen in the past 2 games, you can't play him 40+ minutes every night and expect him to hold up as well as a 26-year old. The guy will be 32 in a couple weeks. Something that does play into longevity-related questions: he's played a relatively small number of games compared to other players his age.


I've got a few qualms with your list, though:

Turkoglu was never good enough to "fall off," and he has fallen off this season. He parlayed a couple decent seasons with Dwight Howard into a ridiculous contract and is clearly overrated. Hamilton isn't quite the same player he was and is ideally suited for a Ray Allen role. Baron Davis has fallen off. Ginobili's battled some injuries as of late (and being an international player, he has a lot of basketball wear and tear).

[Dexmor]

Jack's been an underwhelming NBA athlete for years now. It can be masked if you play him at the 3, but his natural position will always be the 2.

His game has never been predicated on quickness or athletic ability (which is somewhat rare among guards). In that aspect, he'll be well equipped to adjust as he gets older. However, there will be games where his opponent at the 2 is simply quicker and the team defensive concept will need to change in order to deal with that.

And, as we've seen in the past 2 games, you can't play him 40+ minutes every night and expect him to hold up as well as a 26-year old. The guy will be 32 in a couple weeks. Something that does play into longevity-related questions: he's played a relatively small number of games compared to other players his age.


I've got a few qualms with your list, though:

Turkoglu was never good enough to "fall off," and he has fallen off this season. He parlayed a couple decent seasons with Dwight Howard into a ridiculous contract and is clearly overrated. Hamilton isn't quite the same player he was and is ideally suited for a Ray Allen role. Baron Davis has fallen off. Ginobili's battled some injuries as of late (and being an international player, he has a lot of basketball wear and tear).

Hedo is a good player. Maybe he isn't a star but he is very good and hasn't really fallen off so I put him on the list. I don't think he feel off I think it's the change of team. He doesn't take alot of shots at all on the Raptors. He also had 1 great season in a contract year so that could be why he feel off to.

Rip imo has fallen off a little bit but really it's only injury which could be scary because he has been healthy up until now but now that he's healthy he is the same old good rip. 17 points with Ben Gorden on the team sharing his position and not having Billips anymore. Pretty good imo.

Baron Davis has fallen off but it is due to injury (again that is a scary thing to so you have a point) but really the list and I should of made it more clear is list of players who are still stars at that age. Davis is still one of the top pg's in the league at his age.


Jackson is better suited for the 2 but at 6'8 he can completely play sf fulltime if he wanted to. He would just need to board a little more.
He should be able to play at a high level til at least 34 maybe 35 (35 is a little homerish of him?) because unlike Marion he doesn't play off athletism and unlike KG he has very low miles im pretty sure with him only having 10,000 points.
He has been a good defensive player at the 2 being unathletic guarding one of the most athletic positions and fastest. Plus he could always do the whole stand an extra foot back and holding up his arms like what guys like KG and Camby do when they are asked to guard guards.
If he were to play the 3 it wouldn't be for us because I don't think he would take a bench role and we have Gforce.
Im thinking after this year he has 3 good years that are on par with this year.
Michael Jordan is the master of extending his career after his athletism leaves so if Jackson works hard and works out with MJ and lets MJ help him he could perfect the mid range game like Jordan did he could extend his career and at 6'8 he won't need the turnaround to be able to get it off anytime.

[Toocool]

For males, you peak at about 25. After you have peaked at 25, you start deteriorating. Some deteriorate faster than others. It's simply how your body feels, how much wear and tear you have from playing bball. Crash will probably start slumping in a few years given the amount of punishment he endures (and the lack of fouls).

For Jackson, probably about 2 years before he starts dropping off.

[Dexmor]

You peak at 25 physcially but not basketball wise. Basketball prime is 28-32.

[mj4life]

since jax doesn't depend on athletic ability and has a pretty high basketball iq he could play at a high level up to possibly 36 to 38 depends on injury and how many minutes he plays. not comparing but jordan averaged 20 per game when he was almost 40 and reggie miller was still productive in his late 30's

[SWedd523]

I predict Jack has one more good/great year ahead of him. After next year, we'll see a decline in his defensive abilities, and a steady decline in his offensive prowess as he won't be able to handle the minutes (assuming he stays around 40).


I still say we should look to trade him to a team looking for a veteran leader now that he's shown that he can be mature has hopefully quashed what the doubters have to say because his value will only decline due to his contract.

Young, emerging talents like Eric Gordon or OJ should be targets. Look to package Jack with an expiring (we'll have a plethora of them next offseason) for one of those youngsters.

[Marvel]

I predict Jack has one more good/great year ahead of him. After next year, we'll see a decline in his defensive abilities, and a steady decline in his offensive prowess as he won't be able to handle the minutes (assuming he stays around 40).


I still say we should look to trade him to a team looking for a veteran leader now that he's shown that he can be mature has hopefully quashed what the doubters have to say because his value will only decline due to his contract.

Young, emerging talents like Eric Gordon or OJ should be targets. Look to package Jack with an expiring (we'll have a plethora of them next offseason) for one of those youngsters.

Would love to trade Jax in the off season with TCs expiring for a young sg stud.

[mj4life]

what's all this trade jack he's almost over the hill talk. this is basketball not football where players that stay in shape and avoid serious injury have productive and long careers. I mean why don't the lakers trade kobe since he turns 32 this year and has a lot more mileage on his legs than jack. some youngers players like mayo and gordon don't even make us a playoff contender in my mind. if you objectively look at it their only 4 shooting guards you would take over jack period(kobe,d-wade,brandon roy,joe johnson) the rest in league(oj mayo,gordon,monte,ray allen, add any other name) are players that most can debate based on age or production during their careers as to which one they would rather have on their team. but how many of them provide the def presence and overall offensive ability that jack does. add in the fact that at 6'8" he is one of the biggest guards in the league. Jack has shown in past that he can d up people like nowitski(he still has nightmares about that series) as jack continues to reley more on his mid range and post up game he is only going to get better with time in my mind

[Dexmor]

1 more year? 38-40 isn't happening, that's a joke but to think he will fall off after this year isn't right either.