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I think he'll be productive at least to the end of his current contract (2012/13) which happens to be the end of Gerald's deal, Gana's deal, and um, a certain man named Chris Paul's deal ends then too.
Three year deal for Ray? I think so.
might not but don't think that it can't happen. we can get atleast 3 to 4 years out of him(that doesn't mean he will score 20 a game). by then we can move him to more like a 6th man and maybe by this time hendo or brown might develop into starters or we have found someone through the draft, by trade, or free agency totake his place
I think he'll be productive at least to the end of his current contract (2012/13) which happens to be the end of Gerald's deal, Gana's deal, and um, a certain man named Chris Paul's deal ends then too.
Three year deal for Ray? I think so.
couldn't agree with you more by then we will have a good idea how far this team can go and if we need to sign a game changer like paul or another free agentOriginally Posted by teej
Jax has already dropped off from where he was a few years ago as a defender.
If you watch the way Jax plays his game is more one on one then team oriented. He is constantly catching the ball and then giving a pause before he makes a few dribbles and goes into a jumper(remember when Gerald used to do this except he would almost always hold the ball then drive). When this happens the other guys tend to stand around because they know they aren't getting the ball. He is ill equipped to handle the double teams that get thrown at him when he is hot because he isn't a very good passer. The best thing he does is take the ball to the basket where he scores at a very efficient clip. This team needs to dedicate itself to working to get good shots. That means moving the ball from side to side and finding a mismatch or an open shooter.
Rip Hamilton could be a very nice fit here. I would put Rip, Carter, Kevin Martin and Ray Allen all in the group that is better then Jackson.
Yikes.
I do somewhat agree that Jack can be a 1-on-5 offensive player, but that happens with most of the top scorers in the league. However, ball movement, like you said, is absolutely key to establishing a solid offensive rhythm - but is difficult to achieve when you don't have a lot of proven offensive pieces around you.
Jack is actually a very, very good passer for someone his size - however he is prone to force passes and make poor decisions.
rip(injury issues) carter(spot up 3 point shooter, maybe 5 or 6 years ago)Kevin Martin(great scorer but plays no d)Ray allen( same as carter with injury issues also). not saying they couldn't help our team but today they are not better all around players and with the exception of allen and rip they pretty much shrink when the pressure is on not exactly what you want from someone you want to be your no 1 offensive weapon. again jack has a terrible night against miami and all of a sudden it's let's get rid of jack movement. never mind that he hit a big three to send us into overtime against phoenix as the clock expired(we won). never mind that he shook off a bad first half against okc to help us pull out a win, never mind that he was money against miami and cleveland on the road when we had a hard time winning on the road,let's also forget that he torched houston, san antonio, and phoenix (remember we ran both phoenix and san antonio out of the cable box)
Last edited by mj4life; 03-22-2010 at 06:41 PM.
Wow.
I know you're a hater, but still. I haven't seen enough of Jack in the past to know if he's fallen off, but if he has, then he was a top 5 player in the league before he got here.
I'm 99.9% sure the reason he goes 1-on-5 is because Larry (and MJ, if you watch) have told him that he's the one who has to take over. If you were watching the OKC game on the Bobcats broadcast, when he had that horrible first half, both Larry and MJ took him aside to talk, and after that he lit it up and I don't think he passed unless he couldn't shoot. He tries to pass too much, then when he turns it over he's just told to shoot. Neither is ideal, but the latter is much better for this team. And while you're correct that he's best driving to the basket, he's actually over 40% shooting (over 50% at the basket) in 7 of the 9 2pt "hotspots" on nba.com, and over 30% from 4/5 3pt "hotspots" so saying he's only efficient at the basket isn't accurate.
And Allen was almost traded as an expiring contract like T-Mac, Vince can barely drive anymore, K-Mart makes Matt Carroll look like Raja Bell on D, and Rip has a massive contract he's nowhere near worth. Jack is well above these guys.
I am not saying he hasn't had some good nights, but there are lots of streaky shooters in the league. Raja was the same way to some extent. If he was on we were unbeatable, like in the first Hawks game. When he had a bad night you looked at the box score and said, Damn Raja killed us tonight.
He has one of the lowest FG% of anyone on the team, only beating Theo and Hendo. He averages the highest number of turnovers. His 3pt % is not great for a SG, Wallace, Felton, and DJ are all a lot better 3pt shooters according to the stats. Hell even Diaw is slightly better and teams seem to leave him open for three all the time.
As far as the games he has taken over and won for us I see that as kind of fools gold. I don't think we can accomplish the things we want to playing that style and the wins just encourage us to do it more. It is kind of like a young player making a three when it isn't really the strength of his game. Nine times out of ten that player will take another in the game and miss it because he thinks the made basket gives him a license to shoot.
We should have parted ways with Jackson while his value was really high before the trade deadline. Hopefully we can still get something this summer.
Last edited by GoBobs; 03-22-2010 at 07:32 PM.
He did look like a top 5 defender a few years ago. He was guarding extremely quick guards like Nash when Nash was tearing up the league. Where I think he has lost a step is in the lateral quickness area that allows you to stay in front of your man.Wow.
I know you're a hater, but still. I haven't seen enough of Jack in the past to know if he's fallen off, but if he has, then he was a top 5 player in the league before he got here.
I'm 99.9% sure the reason he goes 1-on-5 is because Larry (and MJ, if you watch) have told him that he's the one who has to take over. If you were watching the OKC game on the Bobcats broadcast, when he had that horrible first half, both Larry and MJ took him aside to talk, and after that he lit it up and I don't think he passed unless he couldn't shoot. He tries to pass too much, then when he turns it over he's just told to shoot. Neither is ideal, but the latter is much better for this team. And while you're correct that he's best driving to the basket, he's actually over 40% shooting (over 50% at the basket) in 7 of the 9 2pt "hotspots" on nba.com, and over 30% from 4/5 3pt "hotspots" so saying he's only efficient at the basket isn't accurate.
And Allen was almost traded as an expiring contract like T-Mac, Vince can barely drive anymore, K-Mart makes Matt Carroll look like Raja Bell on D, and Rip has a massive contract he's nowhere near worth. Jack is well above these guys.
Also 40% from the floor and 30% from three are not efficient numbers at all.
I am a hater for a reason. Jack is holding back the development of our offense with all his chucking. He needs to at least limit it to about 16 shots on nights he doesn't have it going.
Has he lost a step? Maybe. Has he declined in his play? No.
And 42% from the field is solid, 32% from 3 is decent too. And DJ and Diaw are supposed to be great 3pt shooters, it's no surprise they're ahead. Last year Diaw was a 50/40 shooter before 2 bad games ruined it at the end of the year. Gerald has upped his shooting as has Ray, so that's no surprise either. Your boy Rip Hamilton is 29% on his 3's this year. Remember, Jack is the main option on a playoff team. K-Mart and Rip aren't going to the playoffs, Ray and Vince are the second or third options and are still barely shooting better percentages than Jack. While we'd all like him to understand when to reign it in, confidence is key in a shooter as we've seen with DJ so I'm not too upset with him, seeing as how he's the main reason we're even within sight of a playoff berth.
Haters keep hating, but Jack has done what no one else in this franchise ever has.
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