Jackson not young-Star players over 31

[GoBobs]

Haters keep hating, but Jack has done what no one else in this franchise ever has.

Pfffft.......like Jackson could carry this team without Wallace, the improved play of Naz or Felton. Ask GS how that worked out last year. Any notion that he can carry a team is totally false. Take Wade off the Heat and add Jackson and they are a top lottery contender.

Rip was hurt this year but has better career numbers. Carter has better career numbers too and while he was looking old for a while lately he has played great.

[mj4life]

Pfffft.......like Jackson could carry this team without Wallace, the improved play of Naz or Felton. Ask GS how that worked out last year. Any notion that he can carry a team is totally false. Take Wade off the Heat and add Jackson and they are a top lottery contender.

Rip was hurt this year but has better career numbers. Carter has better career numbers too and while he was looking old for a while lately he has played great.

nobody is claiming that he is a franchise player i think wallace is closest to that we have but jack does things well that wallace doesn't so they compliment each other well. like i posted earlier we all can debate players like carter, rip and others but today their are only 4 shooting guards( kobe, d-wade,joe j, B. roy) that clearly are better than jack NOW. again it is important to remember that LB likes players that defend which makes jack the perfect player for THIS TEAM. I dont think jack is the type of player you can put on any team and become contenders, just that his skill set shines when you have the right pieces around him

[Marvel]

D-Wade,Kobe,JJ,B-Roy and Ellis are top 5 and VC and Manu are better than Jax

[ajbry]

I'm thinking it's best not to acknowledge anything GoBobs says about Jack.


Marvel, Ellis is putting up a massive amount of shots on a horrible team (with the highest # of possessions in the league) and thus his numbers are ridiculously inflated. He was at his best when Baron and Jack were the two main guys and he could score efficiently without too much defensive attention. Ellis is still a very pedestrian (and reluctant) playmaker and has played defense for like 3 games this season. Carter is old and essentially a more passive, less defensive-oriented version of Jack. Ginobili has been great for a while but he's not really top 5 material anymore.

Where were these discussions when Jack put up 24/5/4 in the two months prior to March? Y'all need to relax.

[teej]

Pfffft.......like Jackson could carry this team without Wallace, the improved play of Naz or Felton. Ask GS how that worked out last year. Any notion that he can carry a team is totally false. Take Wade off the Heat and add Jackson and they are a top lottery contender.

Rip was hurt this year but has better career numbers. Carter has better career numbers too and while he was looking old for a while lately he has played great.

Could Jack carry the Heat? No. Could Wallace carry the Bobcats without Jack? No. Could you plug Vince, Rip, Ray Allen, K-Mart, or any other guy you've named in instead of Jack and have a winning record right now? Hell No.

Jack is carrying half the team, and GW is carrying the other half. Nazr hasn't played since the All-Star Break basically yet the team put out a 6 game win streak. They won without Naz, GW, Hughes, and Gana against Orlando.

You can't say with a straight face Jack isn't doing the heavy lifting here...unless you're Stevie Wonder (Punchdub Red, BTW.)

[teej]

I'm thinking it's best not to acknowledge anything GoBobs says about Jack.

He's the Jacksonville Village idiot

I'm only responding because I know some of the players read the boards and I don't want them to think we're all jackasses.

[Marvel]

I'm thinking it's best not to acknowledge anything GoBobs says about Jack.


Marvel, Ellis is putting up a massive amount of shots on a horrible team (with the highest # of possessions in the league) and thus his numbers are ridiculously inflated. He was at his best when Baron and Jack were the two main guys and he could score efficiently without too much defensive attention. Ellis is still a very pedestrian (and reluctant) playmaker and has played defense for like 3 games this season. Carter is old and essentially a more passive, less defensive-oriented version of Jack. Ginobili has been great for a while but he's not really top 5 material anymore.

Where were these discussions when Jack put up 24/5/4 in the two months prior to March? Y'all need to relax.

Defense is reliant on accountability and it's only driven through to the players through the coaching staff.Ellis is a pretty good defender when he wants to be,though he isn't held accountable, because Don Nelson doesn't hold his players accountable for it.
Ellis doesn't need to be in a fast paced system either to score 20 points a night,i've seen dude play and he can score in any type of system if need be.

[GoBobs]

I just call it like I see it. I hope he goes 15-15 next game because I am very tired of watching him in Team Killer mode.

[spectre]

He's the Jacksonville Village idiot

I'm only responding because I know some of the players read the boards and I don't want them to think we're all jackasses.

C'mon now. Regardless if that was said in jest it's not something that should be done...and ESPECIALLY by a mod.

I try to never backseat mod here, but as you know I detest calling posters names.

Besides...there's only one who deserves the title "Idiot".

[Toocool]

C'mon now. Regardless if that was said in jest it's not something that should be done...and ESPECIALLY by a mod.

I try to never backseat mod here, but as you know I detest calling posters names.

Besides...there's only one who deserves the title "Idiot".

You're referring to yourself yes? =DDDD
Seriously though, I agree with Marvy with Ellis. The dude can get to the hole and convert on crazy layups. Give him a tiny bit of space and he's gone flying past you to the basket.