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    Default Ranking the NBA's best coaches

    How do we pick the best coach in the league? I'll go through my breakdown and pick my top guys, let me know if you have different specifications or lists. I'd like to see where we think LB stacks up with the rest of the guys out there.


    1. There are 3 teams in the NBA. 4 of them either have recently fired their coach, or have interim coaches. None of those teams are in the playoffs. Let's assume that it's safe to eliminate those guys. List goes down to 26.

    2. Tenure. There are seven guys who haven't coached at least 5 years in the league. They don't have enough time under their belts to make an accurate measurement of their abilities. The candidates get reduced to 19

    3. Wins. It's one thing to coach for a long time. It's another to be a winner for a long time. O'Brien, Woodson, and Gentry have win % under .500. The list goes to 16.

    4. Win Totals. This is a combination of the two above. Some guys may have a solid W/L, but simply cannot compete in terms of tenure with some off the more established guys. 500 wins minimum. List shrinks to the top 10.

    Now that we have it down to a manageable number. Let's start ranking:

    1. Four guys have won championships, which is really the ultimate goal. So let's start by moving those guys to the top. Phil (with 10) is of course at the head. Since LB and Doc tie, we'll go by win total.

    2. I tend to value tenure a little more than percentages. I'll use my backwards math to combine the two to adjust the remaining six guys. Let's see what we have:

    Phil Jackson
    Gregg Popovich
    Larry Brown
    Jerry Sloan
    Don Nelson
    George Karl
    Doc Rivers
    Mike D'Antoni
    Rick Adelman
    Flip Saunders


    Not bad. But I think that in addition to statistics, the eyeball test is an important measurement. Is Doc "Tank for the #1 Pick" Rivers better than some of the other guys below him, even though he has a ring? Simply put, no. So let's move him down. Then you look at D'Antoni above George Karl and you think, "Well that's not right." So we switch those two around.

    Finally, respect. Is this order correct when it comes to the respect factor? For the most part, yes (which gives a little credibility to my analysis ) I think the top 6 is hard to argue with. All are widely respected around the league. The lower 4 are either younger guys still working on a reputation, or have flaws that prevent them from being top shelf coaches.



    Now it's time to tier these guys out. Well..... Phil is first (by a landslide) in rings. He's first in win %. Both while only being 6th in terms of tenure. Safe to say he's the best, in a tier of his own even? Yes.

    Pops and LB are the other ring winners in the top 5. LB has more years and total wins, Pops has more rings and a higher %. Pops has had better teams to work with, but we can't hold that against him. They slide in at the second tier

    Sloan, Nellie, and Karl are all tenured guys with great win % that all command great levels of respect. They just haven't come through with the rings whether it be from bad timing (MJ era) or a style that doesn't necessarily suit the playoffs (Yes, defense wins championships). Tier 3.

    The remaining four guys are still up in the air. Doc has a ring, but doesn't have a ton of respect around the league. D'Antoni hasn't been coaching long enough to make a huge name for himself. Adelman and Saunders have been around for awhile, but the jury's still out on their abilities. These guys belong in tier 4.



    1. Phil Jackson (19 years, 1098-460, .705, 10 rings

    2. Gregg Popovich (14 years, 736-362, .670, 4 rings
    3. Larry Brown (26 years, 1088-884, .552, 1 ring

    4. Jerry Sloan (25 years, 1189-776, .605, 0 rings
    5. Don Nelson (31 years, 1335-1063, .557, 0 rings
    6. George Karl (22 years, 986-671, .595, 0 rings

    7. Doc Rivers (11 years, 789-433, .646, 1 ring
    8. Mike D'Antoni (8 years, 589-322, .647, 0 rings
    9. Rick Adelman (19 years, 889-571, .609, 0 rings
    10. Flip Saunders (14 years, 587-400, .594, 0 rings
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    The fact that Mike D'Antoni and Flip Sauders are on that list and Scott Skiles is not renders it worthless. Skiles is the next Larry Brown.

    But I'll critique it and add my own anyways...

    First, Phil has rings because he's never coached a bad team. He quit and let Rudy T coach the Lakers when they were rebuilding. He's an above average coach, but grossly overrated. He's had two of the greatest ever (MJ and Pippen, Kobe and Shaq) on every championship team but one. Not even having Kobe on his team could get him out of the first round the first two years after he came back. He's not known for getting the best out of players, but rather picking players who fit in his style of play. He's a great "manager" but not a good "coach."

    Pop is excellent, he and LB are the most proven in "coaching" their guys. Pop has always had a premier big man, but Patrick Ewing has told us that's not enough. The supporting cast Pop has set up has been a bunch of overacheivers every year. Manu was the next to last pick in the draft, TP was the 28th pick, he had guys like Bruce Bowen (undrafted, switched teams 4 times in 6 seasons before going to the Spurs), Nazr Mohammed, Stephen Jackson (out of the league for three years before the Spurs got him), etc. play way above expectations, and he is a genius for finding talent.

    Let me put it this way, I'd be shocked if Alonzo Gee, Ian Mahimni, DeJuan Blair, George Hill, and Garrett Temple don't have 10+ year careers. On the other hand, I'd be surprised if DJ Mbenga, Luke Walton, Sasha Vujacic, Josh Powell, and especially Adam Morrison are playing 5 years from now.

    So on that note, here are my top 10 active coaches

    1. Gregg Popovich
    2. Larry Brown
    3. Jerry Sloan
    4. Rick Adelman
    5. Don Nelson
    6. George Karl
    7. Scott Skiles
    8. Phil Jackson
    9. Stan Van Gundy
    10. Mike Woodson

    Honorable Mention: Scott Brooks, Alvin Gentry (both will probably be on the list soon), Rick Carlisle, Nate McMillan, and Erik Spoelsta.

    Oh, and Swedd: there are only 30 teams in the Association...

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    Phil has won more rings than any other coach in NBA history. That's ever. He has over double the amount of rings the next guy has and has won 70% of his over the course of his career. He's also NEVER..... had a losing record in 19 years on the job. Also, he's the only guy who's been able to master Tex Winter's triangle offense to any sort of effectiveness. NBA.com rated him as the 4th best coach in history. The only other active coach on that list? Nellie at 6th. Sure he's had some unbelievable talent. But I'd say he's done a pretty great job of keeping the egos in check and kept them on a winning path. Let's not get away from the ultimate goal here. NBA Championships.

    Sloan had Malone, Stockton, Hornacek, Russell, and Foster. He's never won a ring. Adelman had Clyde, Walton, Ainge, and Porter. He's never won a ring. Don Nelson has a losing record in the playoffs. Karl has had some insane talent and doesn't have a ring. Skiles has been a coach for 10 years and hasn't made it out of the semis. His only 50+ win team lost in the first round. He's not better by Phil, by a huge stretch. He may be a great coach down the road. But right now? Not quite.


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    I'm with Teej on this one. I pretty much agree with just about everything he has to say. World would of ended if I agreed with him fully
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    Quote Originally Posted by SWedd523 View Post
    Let's not get away from the ultimate goal here. NBA Championships.
    I understand that, but if winning is everything for judging how good of a coach you are, then I think KC Jones would be more highly rated than Jerry Sloan.

    All I'll say is this: Coaching means making your players better. Phil Jackson isn't good at that. Pop, LB, Skiles, etc. are.

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    Personally i think Red is the greatest coach ever, but i digress.
    I disagree with Teej,PJ is the greatest coach still coaching today.You don't coach a team to a championship by happenstance.Like Swedd i value championships more than anything else it's the ultimate goal for players and coaches.And i don't really see LB as a coach who makes players better not with EO50,Felton.He brings out the intangibles in players like hustle,effort and defense but he doesn't really make players better.
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    I think Hendo is the next MJ. Clearly already a better player than MJ was at this point in his career. Maybe better than SJack.We'll have to see but, this guy looks like 2nd GOAT (behind Allen Iverson) material to me
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    Teej...I'd have to think Jackson makes players at least "play together" better...if not better...the Lakers were laughable when Jackson was not there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRNC View Post
    Teej...I'd have to think Jackson makes players at least "play together" better...if not better...the Lakers were laughable when Jackson was not there...
    Which years? He quit when they went through the rebuilding process...

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    ...when did the Lakers stop rebuilding? kobe is really the only constant there...they have no bench...I'd rather have ours...I like Gasol but Bynum is a walking injury waiting to happen...

    Give the guy credit teej...he's a good if not great Coach who gets players to win together...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRNC View Post
    ...when did the Lakers stop rebuilding? kobe is really the only constant there...they have no bench...I'd rather have ours...I like Gasol but Bynum is a walking injury waiting to happen...

    Give the guy credit teej...he's a good if not great Coach who gets players to win together...
    I meant back in 04/05/06 when they had guys like Kwame Brown, Chucky Atkins, and Brian Grant.

    He is a GOOD coach. He is a GREAT manager of talent.

    I'll just say this. If he was forced to coach the Bobcats, or even a Lebron-less Cavs, he'd be in the lottery.


 

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