Golden State?

[murphman]

Lacob sounded a lot more excited about Lee and Stephen Curry than he did about Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins.
Nothing wrong with that. I wouldn’t presume that these guys will definitely be traded. But it’s also something everybody in the league will be watching.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakam...-the-warriors/

The Warriors are another team going through an owner change and they have some big contracts on the books that he may want off. There has been tons of rumors that they have been shopping Biedrins and Brandon Wright this offseason and we all know about Monta's history. Golden State also has two seperate trade exceptions totaling 6 million. Plus we have a decent trade relationship with them. I propose this as a backup plan

GS gets:
Damp (13.1 M)
Nazy (6.9 M)
DJ (2.5 M)
Diaw (9 M)
2nd round pick

Total 31.5 million

Bobcats get
Monta Ellis (11 M)
Biedrins (9 M)
B. Wright (3.4 M)
GS uses trade exception (6 M)

Total 29.4 million for trade purposes. Bobcats only take on 23.4 in salary. This shaves the Cats payroll from about 78 million to 70 million and may get them just under the luxury tax.

Starting 5
Ellis/Jax/Crash/TT/Biedrins

Golden State cuts Damp so they save 5 million this season, over 11 million next season and 20 million the folowing two seasons.

[spectre]

What is the breakdown of the trade exceptions? You can't combine them, so you'd need at least one to cover all of DJ's salary in order for this to possibly work.

We'd have to wait til the restriction is off Damp, but we could do:

DJ for the TPE

Damp/Nazr/Boris for Biedrens/Monta/Wright

23,400,000 x 125% + 100k > 29,000,000...so it'll work.

DJ + the difference in the above trade would net us about 8.1 million in savings, so we'd be below the LT.

Monta/Livingston
Jax/Hendo/Carroll
Crash/UPS/McGuire
Tyrus/Najera/Wright
Biedrens/Gana

I could probably live with that. Most likely Hendo, Wright, UPS, Carroll nor McGuire would get much burn because LB would be using the versatility of the main guys at different positions.

[CatNation]

I guess I would do it if nothing else is available. Biggest chucking backcourt in the league lol

[ammofan]

DO IT NOW! I love that deal First of all it basically combines the two teams I use most on NBA 2K....and it boosts the Bobcats scoring while acquiring a decent rbeounding center, great young guard and decent young back up PF. Then after GSW cuts dampier, we can bring him back for cheap.

[spectre]

I guess I would do it if nothing else is available. Biggest chucking backcourt in the league lol

Heh yeah, that's what I was thinking too! Still, if Livingston can stick I was thinking he & Monta be a pretty good pairing. He's more of a shooting guard anyway but he's one hell of a slasher (something I assume Livingston isn't so good at with his injury history).

Then after GSW cuts dampier, we can bring him back for cheap.

I thought of that too. We still would only have the 2.3 left from our MLE...but maybe that'd be enough. We could definitely use him.

[Black]

MAYBE, but I'd like to keep Nazr if possible.

[SWedd523]

With the way they've been shopping both Monta and Beans, there's no way we take on BOTH of Golden State's long term contracts for expirings and a pick. Those two have little trade value right now and I don't understand why we'd simply bail them out again (see Jason Richardson trade).

One of the rules for taking on unwanted, long term contracts is if you get some sort of cheap talent in addition to it. That's why I hated taking JRich and not getting something young in return.

The only way I do a trade with Golden State is:

Part 1
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=2cbmzzv (Dampier for Beans and BWright)

Part 2
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=28nhw9n (Boris Diaw and a future First for Stephen Curry and Vlad Rad)

[Chef]

With the way they've been shopping both Monta and Beans, there's no way we take on BOTH of Golden State's long term contracts for expirings and a pick. Those two have little trade value right now and I don't understand why we'd simply bail them out again (see Jason Richardson trade).

One of the rules for taking on unwanted, long term contracts is if you get some sort of cheap talent in addition to it. That's why I hated taking JRich and not getting something young in return.

The only way I do a trade with Golden State is:

Part 1
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=2cbmzzv (Dampier for Beans and BWright)

Part 2
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=28nhw9n (Boris Diaw and a future First for Stephen Curry and Vlad Rad)

you have as much a chance at steph curry as we do of getting cp3 without taking mek. what would make the trade better would be no picks going to them or us. switch nazr for diop.

if we don't get cp3 and we are facilitating or doing another deal like this with gs, we need to lose diop, period. at this point losing diop is more important than future picks.

[SWedd523]

I'm aware that we can't get them. I'm making a point that the only way we take albatross contracts is if we get something good for it. The trade I posted had us SENDING a pick though

[BRNC]

Maybe if they send a 1st back...but I think we give up defense bringing Ellis here so I doubt LB would go for the deal...