Kwame Brown

[dvdbumpus]

See: McInnis, Jeff.

That was more the fault of Ham Biscuit rather than Mcinnis. Mcinnis for 5 - 10 minutes wasn't as bad as him being 30 minutes a game. UGH. That was the worst thing in the world.

Oh and BTW

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Thats the thing, Felton didn't do that much better at all... No one said that DJ was Nash 2.0, but just a few seasons ago people were more than ready to give him the starting job over Felton.

Gimme a break. Look at the solid improvement in Felton's shooting alone. And I guess as the starting PG he can't take ANY credit for a 44-win season, huh?

Fans were ready to give DJ the starting job because fans are suckers for what is NEW and HYPED. When the league figured DJ out and he couldn't counter because of his severe physical limitations, we got a taste of reality. DJ's only hope is to play on a run-and-gun team or to play next to a PG with SG size. Maybe that will happen here someday.

And besides, DJ can partially thank playing next to Felton for his solid rookie year. Left on his own to be PG for a Larry Brown offense, he struggled.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

So a player who's been forced to be a 1st or 2nd option and struggled...when given more tools (talent) and can then be the 3rd option and does better...is somehow a negative and it reflects no improvement? So much so that he's then "addition by subtraction"?

Ok...

We've debated this before:

http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/show...=felton&page=4

(thanks to the guys/Zig on searching!)

...and I REALLY don't want to debate it again as he's no longer a Bobcat, and this team is really all I care to concern myself with.

Amen. On point.

[Toocool]

Everyone jumps on bandwagons and jumps off bandwagons. It's a fact of life. Alotta Bobcats fans do that too. They see a young guy play well, they instantly want them to start over the other.

McInnis...a dark dark period of time that one. I'm pretty sure Brown won't be chucked in for 30+ minutes, maybe the UPS Brown if Gdub gets injured.

[DY_nasty]

Gimme a break. Look at the solid improvement in Felton's shooting alone. And I guess as the starting PG he can't take ANY credit for a 44-win season, huh?

Fans were ready to give DJ the starting job because fans are suckers for what is NEW and HYPED. When the league figured DJ out and he couldn't counter because of his severe physical limitations, we got a taste of reality. DJ's only hope is to play on a run-and-gun team or to play next to a PG with SG size. Maybe that will happen here someday.

And besides, DJ can partially thank playing next to Felton for his solid rookie year. Left on his own to be PG for a Larry Brown offense, he struggled.

Felton's shooting % went up because all of a sudden he wasn't a primary scoring option anymore. We already covered that. Also, he were weren't winning anything until Jackson came in and *gasp* all of a sudden we're in the playoffs. I don't know why Felton keeps getting credit for that... Larry Brown did his thing, Crash put up an all-star season, Jackson positions himself as arguably the 5th best shooting guard in the league - but somehow Felton gets a sticker too like he did something special? No.

And DJ as a starter has proved plenty of times before that he's capable of being just as good as Ray. Hopefully, Larry Brown is done messing with his head so that he can actually play a full 10 seconds without looking to the sideline for approval.

[spectre]

Felton's shooting % went up because all of a sudden he wasn't a primary scoring option anymore. We already covered that. Also, he were weren't winning anything until Jackson came in and *gasp* all of a sudden we're in the playoffs. I don't know why Felton keeps getting credit for that... Larry Brown did his thing, Crash put up an all-star season, Jackson positions himself as arguably the 5th best shooting guard in the league - but somehow Felton gets a sticker too like he did something special? No.

And DJ as a starter has proved plenty of times before that he's capable of being just as good as Ray. Hopefully, Larry Brown is done messing with his head so that he can actually play a full 10 seconds without looking to the sideline for approval.

It's not a negative to be a good 3rd option! You kind of need that y'know?

Is Crash less of an all star because Jax came to town? Does he get no credit in being a 2nd option? Why does Jax get all the credit? If you take away Felton & Crash last season does HE do it all on his own?

5 players on the court at the same time.

We went thru this in that thread I referenced earlier where I showed how he improved. If you really want to debate this why not hit those points in that thread instead of in this Kwame thread?

Most likely this one is so long because there's been nothing else to talk about? I'm not going back thru it but I've read all and I just don't remember "everyone" freaking out.

And FWIW...we took a poll at the beginning of last season about who starts and "everyone" didn't show up for the poll. Felton won.

[DY_nasty]

It's not a negative to be a good 3rd option! You kind of need that y'know?

Is Crash less of an all star because Jax came to town? Does he get no credit in being a 2nd option? Why does Jax get all the credit? If you take away Felton & Crash last season does HE do it all on his own?

5 players on the court at the same time.

We went thru this in that thread I referenced earlier where I showed how he improved. If you really want to debate this why not hit those points in that thread instead of in this Kwame thread?

Most likely this one is so long because there's been nothing else to talk about? I'm not going back thru it but I've read all and I just don't remember "everyone" freaking out.

And FWIW...we took a poll at the beginning of last season about who starts and "everyone" didn't show up for the poll. Felton won.

nononono, you misunderstood me right there at the bolded. I was saying that 3 people (Larry Brown, Wallace, and Jackson) had more to do with the turnaround than anyone else - Felton being included in that group doesn't make sense. Thats all.

I'm looking forward to seeing Kwame as the new punching bag this season though.

[spectre]

nononono, you misunderstood me right there at the bolded. I was saying that 3 people (Larry Brown, Wallace, and Jackson) had more to do with the turnaround than anyone else - Felton being included in that group doesn't make sense. Thats all.

I'm looking forward to seeing Kwame as the new punching bag this season though.

I won't dispute that at all (heh, even Kwame being the new punching bag part!). But because those 3 had more to do with the turnaround doesn't mean Felton didn't contribute and contribute well. He could have easily been just as disappointing as a 3rd option as a 1st or 2nd. Instead, he improved his shooting (biggest knock prior), lowered his TOs and became a strong defender...playoffs notwithstanding.

You can do one helluva lot worse in a 3rd option...which I'm hoping like everything we don't experience firsthand.

[DY_nasty]

I won't dispute that at all (heh, even Kwame being the new punching bag part!). But because those 3 had more to do with the turnaround doesn't mean Felton didn't contribute and contribute well. He could have easily been just as disappointing as a 3rd option as a 1st or 2nd. Instead, he improved his shooting (biggest knock prior), lowered his TOs and became a strong defender...playoffs notwithstanding.

You can do one helluva lot worse in a 3rd option...which I'm hoping like everything we don't experience firsthand.

He did play better, but its not hard to find a mediocre 3rd option on a team that barely cracks .500.

Honestly though, I wouldn't even mind Kwame starting for a couple of weeks so long as we never pass him the ball.

[ziggy]

I'm looking forward to seeing Kwame as the new punching bag this season though.

If Boris remains on the team, I think he'll easily trump Kwame as the punching bag this season