Kwame Brown

[G Wuh Wuh Wuh Wallace]

If Boris remains on the team, I think he'll easily trump Kwame as the punching bag this season

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knzzo...eature=related

[spectre]

He did play better, but its not hard to find a mediocre 3rd option on a team that barely cracks .500.

Hopefully I won't be bringing this up about 1 month into the season. But at any rate...if the new 3rd option doesn't easily surpass Felton then does that player fall under the category "addition by subtraction" as well?

Zig you're right. Boris will easily be the kicking boy this year if he's still on the team.

[DY_nasty]

Hopefully I won't be bringing this up about 1 month into the season. But at any rate...if the new 3rd option doesn't easily surpass Felton then does that player fall under the category "addition by subtraction" as well?

Zig you're right. Boris will easily be the kicking boy this year if he's still on the team.

He doesn't even have to easily surpass him. As long as he's not getting paid 5+ mil, not going on his 5th or 6th year, and is showing signs of improvement - the new 3rd option is an upgrade and a sign of growth in the franchise... Even then, I'm not even sure Felton could be called 3rd option with Boris on the team too. LB clearly preferred Diaw making decisions with the ball over Felton.

I'd still like another big though.

[BIGCatBobcat]

the whole thing here is it's Michael Jordan and Kwame Brown. If it was just a former #1 pick signing for a minimum salary, whatever. But all the water under that bridge is still pretty hefty. It's a big deal because of the story. Is Jordan trying to apologize? Is he trying to redeem this kid? It's a human interest story not basketball or business! Have fun with it!

[BlockParty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knzzo...eature=related

At the .20 mark, it's the cheater cheater pumkin eater Ref that used to bet on the games....and call fouls (or not call them) to influence the outcome

[spectre]

He doesn't even have to easily surpass him. As long as he's not getting paid 5+ mil, not going on his 5th or 6th year, and is showing signs of improvement - the new 3rd option is an upgrade and a sign of growth in the franchise... Even then, I'm not even sure Felton could be called 3rd option with Boris on the team too. LB clearly preferred Diaw making decisions with the ball over Felton.

I'd still like another big though.

When a player is on the court the money nor the experience mean squat...so I don't agree with your idea of "upgrade". I'm much more concerned with not hurting the squad on defense and helping to score/facilitate on offense during games. During the LB era we're in it to win.

We've certainly been looking to deal for a PG...and none of them are young with plenty of room for growth. We might not be able to, but IMO we're going to try until all options are exhausted.

LB uses everyone as an option except for his Cs. He likes versatility.

[DY_nasty]

When a player is on the court the money nor the experience mean squat...so I don't agree with your idea of "upgrade". I'm much more concerned with not hurting the squad on defense and helping to score/facilitate on offense during games. During the LB era we're in it to win.

We've certainly been looking to deal for a PG...and none of them are young with plenty of room for growth. We might not be able to, but IMO we're going to try until all options are exhausted.

LB uses everyone as an option except for his Cs. He likes versatility.

Felton has experience at what exactly? He's been mediocre and shown marginal improvement at best since he's been in the NBA - He's supposed to get brownie points for just sticking around on a sub .500 team and talking about how much of a leader he is?

And his defense is overrated. The new generation of young, quick guards torch him. Also, Ray was never more removed from offensive decision making at any point in his career than he was this past season. Somehow, it was also one of his most efficient as well.

We've already got a pretty good young point with room for growth in DJ, but because the franchise simply can't grasp the concept of player development (outside the fluke of Wallace) he's probably going to fail just like all the other draft picks.

[Toocool]

Felton has experience at what exactly? He's been mediocre and shown marginal improvement at best since he's been in the NBA - He's supposed to get brownie points for just sticking around on a sub .500 team and talking about how much of a leader he is?

And his defense is overrated. The new generation of young, quick guards torch him. Also, Ray was never more removed from offensive decision making at any point in his career than he was this past season. Somehow, it was also one of his most efficient as well.

We've already got a pretty good young point with room for growth in DJ, but because the franchise simply can't grasp the concept of player development (outside the fluke of Wallace) he's probably going to fail just like all the other draft picks.

Haters gonna hate. Felton is by no means mediocre. He was solid, slightly above average but he was by no means mediocre. He wasn't suited for a half court setting, and would be more prominent in a run-and-gun setting where he can use his speed. He stuck around because he wanted to because he loved his team, and he busted his ass on that court. He played through injuries that would have taken down a weaker man but he hopped up and continued to play. And all you can do is talk crap and criticize him. Shame on you. And for leadership? You try breaking teeth from KG and try to get back on that court to play so you can support your team. You try playing through a busted ankle an entire game at the pace they play. Felton led by example through hard work and toughness. You cannot ever question is leadership.

Why don't you try playing on a mediocre team with no low post presence, the only real scorer you have is Crash and having to carry as the 2nd option on offense when you're more suited to a 3rd-4th option. You try averaging 14/6 with coaches such as the FHB who PLAY you BEHIND frickin Jeff "Bench my ass please" McInnis and scrubs such as Primoz Brezec and Vlad Rad.

Ray's defense was great. It wasn't jaw-breaking or anything like that but he was damn solid. He got dominated in the playoffs, everyone knows that but for most of the season his defense was solid. I didn't want to give up Felton for nothing, but we had to. We can't move on into the future if we keep thinking of of the past. And you need to stop with the hating of Felton.

[DY_nasty]

Haters gonna hate. Felton is by no means mediocre. He was solid, slightly above average but he was by no means mediocre. He wasn't suited for a half court setting, and would be more prominent in a run-and-gun setting where he can use his speed. He stuck around because he wanted to because he loved his team, and he busted his ass on that court. He played through injuries that would have taken down a weaker man but he hopped up and continued to play. And all you can do is talk crap and criticize him. Shame on you. And for leadership? You try breaking teeth from KG and try to get back on that court to play so you can support your team. You try playing through a busted ankle an entire game at the pace they play. Felton led by example through hard work and toughness. You cannot ever question is leadership.

Why don't you try playing on a mediocre team with no low post presence, the only real scorer you have is Crash and having to carry as the 2nd option on offense when you're more suited to a 3rd-4th option. You try averaging 14/6 with coaches such as the FHB who PLAY you BEHIND frickin Jeff "Bench my ass please" McInnis and scrubs such as Primoz Brezec and Vlad Rad.

Ray's defense was great. It wasn't jaw-breaking or anything like that but he was damn solid. He got dominated in the playoffs, everyone knows that but for most of the season his defense was solid. I didn't want to give up Felton for nothing, but we had to. We can't move on into the future if we keep thinking of of the past. And you need to stop with the hating of Felton.

I'm only responding at this point but what the hell... we're all bored.

Look at Kevin Martin - now that he's finally on a good team, we all know exactly how much of an average player he is. Back when he was surrounded by scrubs in Sacramento, he was lighting it up. His coaches were just as retarded as Sam Vincent. For the longest time people overrated him because of his play on such a poor roster. Long story short, above average players on a terrible team put up really good numbers. Now that Martin is finally on a good team, he's maybe even as low as the 5th option and he's getting his weaknesses exposed daily.

Now lets stretch that to Felton....

Almost an equally bad team at some points, but even then Felton couldn't put up any real good numbers. Ironically, Felton's numbers were arguably the best when he had the smallest role. That doesn't make sense. Why? Well obviously because he's not as good. Busting your ass on the court and being a tough guy is great and all, but it doesn't mean you're actually a good player. And again - what did Felton 'lead' us to? Plenty of other players around the league have done more with much less.

(Note: Felton got torched by every quick, small pg in the league before the Orlando series - it wasn't just referring to that)

Also, I'm not hating on Felton. I'm just not going to keep making excuses for the guy who's had 4 seasons of people doing it already. There's got to be some balance here.... for every 5 players that jump on Derrick Brown's nuts, there should be at least one guy to say "lol athletic, long sf that can't shoot #4801", "Felton - leader (of what?)", "Larry 'Acie' Brown", and "Yeah - Jackson is the MAIN reason we made the playoffs".

[Toocool]

I'm only responding at this point but what the hell... we're all bored.

Look at Kevin Martin - now that he's finally on a good team, we all know exactly how much of an average player he is. Back when he was surrounded by scrubs in Sacramento, he was lighting it up. His coaches were just as retarded as Sam Vincent. For the longest time people overrated him because of his play on such a poor roster. Long story short, above average players on a terrible team put up really good numbers. Now that Martin is finally on a good team, he's maybe even as low as the 5th option and he's getting his weaknesses exposed daily.

Now lets stretch that to Felton....

Almost an equally bad team at some points, but even then Felton couldn't put up any real good numbers. Ironically, Felton's numbers were arguably the best when he had the smallest role. That doesn't make sense. Why? Well obviously because he's not as good. Busting your ass on the court and being a tough guy is great and all, but it doesn't mean you're actually a good player. And again - what did Felton 'lead' us to? Plenty of other players around the league have done more with much less.

(Note: Felton got torched by every quick, small pg in the league before the Orlando series - it wasn't just referring to that)

Also, I'm not hating on Felton. I'm just not going to keep making excuses for the guy who's had 4 seasons of people doing it already. There's got to be some balance here.... for every 5 players that jump on Derrick Brown's nuts, there should be at least one guy to say "lol athletic, long sf that can't shoot #4801", "Felton - leader (of what?)", "Larry 'Acie' Brown", and "Yeah - Jackson is the MAIN reason we made the playoffs".

You wanna gargle with gasoline, floss with barbed wire eh boy? No idea why I just wrote that, interesting quote from a movie though...

Why are you comparing Kev Mart and Felton? Both have completely different roles and a different skill-set. You can't just compare a SG to a PG, as Felton was more of a distributer, Kev was the no.1 option of offense. Plus Kev is a scorer, Felton isn't that much of a scorer.

I don't see why you say that about Kev Mart. He put up even bigger scoring numbers on the Rockets team than on the Kings, though that'll diminish with Yao coming back.

I think my post doesn't really make sense, maybe I'll go over it at a much better hour (2 am atm) and write something better. But for now, this.