Do we exercise our next year options on Hendo & DJ?

[DY_nasty]

Can't shoot? We can't even tell how bad his shooting is until he actually gets on the court. People said Redick couldn't shoot either when he got into the league - he was getting trashed for supposedly not being able to adapt to a faster NBA and the 3pt line. Meanwhile, he gets some playing time and outperforms Wince throughout the playoffs and was one of the key stabilizing factors for the Magic this past season.

Flip was nice, but I can't be a fan of his signing even though he did have some good games for us. All it did was enable LB. I mean, we could've tried to work DJ into things instead of consuming his soul buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut its much more fun to try and turn a streaky undersized shooting guard into a back up point.

Anyways, the whole idea of not picking either of the options is jumping the gun to say the least.

[SWedd523]

I don't know if anyone ever said Redick couldn't shoot, and if they did, they're idiots.

Hendo couldn't shoot in college, hasn't been able to shoot in his time in the NBA, whether it be preseason, SL, regular season, or post season. The only thing he needs to be doing--ever--is shoot jumper after jumper after jumper in the gym. Simple fact is, the more you shoot, the better you get.


In my perfect world, UPS (who is every bit as limited as Hendo, but that's another discussion) replaces Crash and Hendo replaces Jack.

[TheBeagle]

jrue is so much better than hendo at this point. i don't even think it's an argument. we should have traded the pick if we were going to take hendo. that was my vote at the time.

Yeah, as the BCP draft day chatroom records can attest I was devestated we took Henderson when Jrue fell to us. The only thing that helped soothe the misery was picking up UPSy in the 2nd, which the chatroom records can also attest I was a big fan of.

Thinking more level-headed though, yes, I think his option should be picked up. While I don't see much talent (and never really have), he has some decent athleticism and has high energy moments when he's on the court. It would only compound not drafting Jrue if they don't pick up Henderson's option.

[DY_nasty]

I don't know if anyone ever said Redick couldn't shoot, and if they did, they're idiots.

There was a lot of it during Redick's first two years in the league. He also asked for a trade but Orlando refused to move him. His early career was just a perfect example of what happens when a coaching staff and FO aren't on the same page when it comes to personnel.

Why'd you guys want Jrue?

[SWedd523]

There was a lot of it during Redick's first two years in the league. He also asked for a trade but Orlando refused to move him. His early career was just a perfect example of what happens when a coaching staff and FO aren't on the same page when it comes to personnel.

Criticism? yes. About his shooting? no.

The criticism was that he was too small, too slow, too white, couldn't play D, etc. His saving grace was that he's a pretty much lights out shooter from anywhere behind the arc. The difference between Redick and Hendo (at least thus far) is that he worked his ass off on all of his weaknesses and has developed into a solid role player.

Hendo only really has two weaknesses in my opinion--range and ball handling. The problem is that both of those are pretty much necessary when you're a SG. He's worked on his hands some and is at least adequate dribbling. He's a reliable outside shot away from being a 6th man/starter in the league. It just happens that his biggest weaknesses are the most valuable assets for a 2 guard.

Why'd you guys want Jrue?

BPA.

[DY_nasty]

Not saying its my opinion, just something that people liked to point out. His playing time was sporadic to say the least over his first two seasons and his shooting sample was small - if you wanted to throw aside his above average fg% because of he didn't really shoot all that much it was... an argument you could make.

Either way, I'm a fan of actually seeing someone fail before passing judgment. Neither player is anywhere close to being Joe Alexander bad or even Julian Wright bad. On top of that, I'd hate to have something in common with the Boston fans who were happy to get rid of Joe Johnson for Tony Delk.

Edit: Jrue is okay I guess... I was kind of hoping that we'd trade down since everyone in the lottery that we needed was off the board. Taj Gibson and Chase Budinger would've made it a good night.

[teej]

Hendo only really has two weaknesses in my opinion--range and ball handling. The problem is that both of those are pretty much necessary when you're a SG. He's worked on his hands some and is at least adequate dribbling. He's a reliable outside shot away from being a 6th man/starter in the league. It just happens that his biggest weaknesses are the most valuable assets for a 2 guard.

This. Please find me any shooting guard over 27 in the league right now that can't shoot. I'll wait. There are an infinite amount of swingmen that can play defense (Dom McGuire for this team), and an infinite amount of swingmen who can shoot (Matty Carroll). What determines their longevity is the ability to do both. The reason an undrafted, 34-year-old Raja Bell is going to start at 2 guard for the Utah Jazz, who will be a playoff team, is because he plays defense AND shoots. The reason Bruce Bowen played until they put him in the crypt is because he could do both. The reason Gerald Wallace became an All-Star this year is because he finally got his shots to fall. The reason UPS and Hendo won't be in the league in 5 years without a dramatic change is because they can't shoot. If they were centers, they'd be set for life. But they're not, so they HAVE to learn to shoot. And dynasty, have you EVER watched Hendo play? His shooting percentage is like Jake Delhomme's TD-INT ratio. Not Good.

[SWedd523]

Don't get me confused though, Hendo is a good offensive player off the drive, slashing, and off mid range pulls and curls. He just can't shoot from range.

[teej]

Don't get me confused though, Hendo is a good offensive player off the drive, slashing, and off mid range pulls and curls. He just can't shoot from range.

Yes. But the former is not effective unless you can keep a defender honest with the latter. It's why Jack's drives are so effective, even though he's tiny compared to the bigs down low.

[BlockParty]

The reason UPS and Hendo won't be in the league in 5 years without a dramatic change is because they can't shoot.

UPS will be in the NBA 10 years minimum. His game is different than Hendo (and therefore so are the perimeter shooting expectations).

UPS's high-end (with some work) could fill a Anthony Mason role (old school NY Knicks player who averaged a double double).

Agreed on Hendo..you can't play shooting guard if you can't shoot from outside (that is and will always be one of Felton's weaknesses).