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so i guess what we are all saying and can agree on is hendo sucks
Why is everybody giving me "If this happens....." I dont care about a hypothetical situation. I look at what is/happen. Did DJ go off and hit 6 threes in a row in every one of those games when Gerald was in? All I'm saying that when he was on the court, he had a positive effect. That's FACT. Since he had a positive effect on the game, should we give him more playing time? Yes. We will FIND OUT if that was just an anomaly or if its something that happens regularly.
Where did I ever say "Zomg Hendo is dah +/- champion he's dah greatestttt!!"? You dont seem to get the point that I only said with what little opportunity he had on the court, he had a positive effect. If he goes back to Gerald of last year, sit his ass.
so i guess what we are all saying and can agree on is hendo sucks
Since Dallas and Mark Cuban are enthralled with +/-, then we could trade Hendo and Diop for Caron Butler...
Look, all I'm saying is that the +/- is a good sign and all and I actually like how he's found ways to contribute on the court this year, but until he stops blatantly throwing the ball away on the perimeter because of a lack of awareness he's fine at where he's at - a few minutes off the bench.Originally Posted by Pepperz
How do you know that he, specifically, had a positive impact? Was he on the floor by himself? No. Was he scoring all the points, grabbing all the boards, dishing all the assists, etc.? No. Perhaps Tyrus had such a great impact during Hendo's time that he (Hendo) benefitted just by being out there? Perhaps we were in the middle of a hot streak/run (basketball is a game of runs, you know) that he benefitted from that?
You want something that DID HAPPEN istead of application? Okay. In 2008-09 Kevin Durant had by far the worst +/- on his team (the other starters got drastically better when Thabo or Weaver played in his place) and one of the worst in the ENTIRE LEAGUE. So I guess by your logic, the Thunder should have played Thabo and Weaver over Durant? Whatever.
I take the number and combine it with the eye test. Watching the games, I feel as though Henderson has been a positive force, especially on the defensive end. When I combine that with the +/- number, I go, yeah, Henderson is playing some decent ball so far and contributing to the team.
He may not have been the player that has scored the points but defense often times leads to offense and the chemistry between any 5 guys you play is very important. Lots of successful teams have that guy who doesn't really show up in the box score so strongly but you can damn sure see that the team performs well when he is in the game. Often, that is not by chance.
Battier is another guy like this. His stats are average but he has a far more profound inpact on the game than just his stats. That intangible thing is often underestimated.
I'm not saying Hendo hasn't been playing well, because he has. I'm just saying that the +/- stat isn't a very reliable way to argue his case.
What would work is saying that his defense has been spot on, that he's been playing to his strengths--taking the mid range when it's there, dribbling into the mid range when he's outside, and driving the lane when it's available. That's how he should get his buckets. Hendo deserves more time than he's getting. He's playing at least on par with Jack right now so I have no issue with it.
So you go from trying to disprove why he should get more time to agreeing with me and saying he should get more time. I never said "He did EVERYTHING." He has played good defense as you said he has. His jumper is not where we want it to be but his strength has out weigh is weakness ATM.
Wam9 gets what im saying.
Reading comprehension. I never once said he wasn't playing well. All I said was that the +/- stat is a useless way of trying to argue his case. If you want to say he's playing good D and picking his spots on offense, then be my guest. But you won't get any agreement by saying his +/- is good
Everybody's a little testy up in here, notice I didn't say testes ballwhore. Anyway, looking on the nba.com stats, our best (+/-) line is G. Wallace S. Livingston T. Thomas G. Henderson D. Brown, only been on the court together for 3 and a half minutes and their number is 6. By contrast the starters, S. Jackson N. Mohammed G. Wallace B. Diaw D. Augustin are -31 and have played the most minutes of course. Also, comparisons sake, the best is the Warriors A. Biedrins D. Wright D. Lee M. Ellis S. Curry, and Dallas's . Kidd D. Nowitzki J. Terry T. Chandler C. Butler with 41 and 35 respectively. I'm gonna look into this, because i really don't understand it.
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