The talk-shit about Stephen Jackson thread

[BlockParty]

The local Subway Store Clerks have been shooting better than Jack lately. He did have a clutch shot late tonight and some Free Throws. Wierd with the Jekyl and Hyde thing, he gives us both every game.

[Deadshot]

This really shouldn't come as a surprise. If there's one area he's been consistent in throughout the duration of his career it's his bad attitude and poor shot selection. We all know Jack can shoot - and when he's on, he's on. But Stephen takes the "if you're cold just keep shooting" strategy to the extreme. Someone already mentioned it but I hate the fact that he constantly complains to the refs instead of getting back on defense. You don't see that kind of garbage from someone like Blake Griffin (who actually deserves more calls in my opinion).

Its easy to say, "Let's just trade him now," but you will be hard pressed to find a team that wants to take a risk on him without having to take back some garbage for your own roster. Look at Indiana for example - in order to get rid of Harrington and Jackson, they had to take on the atrocious monster contracts of Dunleavy and Murphy, a move that handicapped the franchise for at least 3 years. In fact, Dunleavy will come off the books this summer (we were lucky to get Collison for Murphy, but we had to take Posey's horrible contract in return...you see the chain reaction starting to take place now).

And as much as you dislike Jack, what kind of a scoring option will you have without him? I seriously doubt Wallace will pick up the slack. Kwame can't be relied on to continue his current pace. DJ is inconsistent. Henderson is still developing. You won't get anything back that will replace his scoring (and I am NOT defending the guy...I can't stand him and I find it ironic that I wound up following another one of his teams now).

[TheBeagle]

And as much as you dislike Jack, what kind of a scoring option will you have without him? I seriously doubt Wallace will pick up the slack. Kwame can't be relied on to continue his current pace. DJ is inconsistent. Henderson is still developing. You won't get anything back that will replace his scoring (and I am NOT defending the guy...I can't stand him and I find it ironic that I wound up following another one of his teams now).

Yeah, this is the only real fallout of getting rid of him. But I believe that with him out of the lineup, the ball moves much better, doesn't die a slow death on one side of the court, and keeps the other 4 players engaged in the offense. In no way are Henderson and Matty better shooters or scorers than Jack, nor can they (for the most part) create their own shot if they suddently find themselves with the ball, guarded, with seconds left on the shot clock, but that's a side effect I'm willing to accept if it creates offensive flow and team ball.

Yeah, BP, the Jeckyl/Hyde thing that happens during games is infuriating. I mean he chucks js that clang of the rim and backboard, never trying to create anything else in the 1st 6 minutes, then when he finally drives, he dishes to Kwame for the open slam. It's like, 'why the hell didn't you try this 4-5 shots ago, Jack?' And then after more chucking and a bad pass that leads to a CHI fastbreak, he knocks down the turnaround j over Korver again like last week in the clutch; gets a big board; and knocks down both FTs after missing his first two earlier. Like many have said here, he's an ideal 3rd option or so on a vet-laden team, but he's just miscast here as option one.

[110oldeast]

This thread is really funny to me, because some folks laughed when I talked about Jack getting a free pass in the Orlando series as everyone was already brainwashed by the pre-emptive Diaw/Felton scapegoating Bonnell article and were in the "make love to pressure" honeymoon. Fans allowed his terrible play in each of the games we had a shot to win to fly under the radar. The stuff people are complaining about now is not new. It took place on the biggest stage last year and I will point it out again. Jack had ONE good game in the series, and it just happened to be the one where we were getting our ass kicked and he was running up and down the floor hitting shots when it didn't matter. What I have liked this year is that he has knocked down a couple of late fgs in games. For the record, I just think that he and Crash are not the best mixture of talent, especially in the halfcourt.

Again in the 3 COMPETITIVE (make love to pressure)games we had against Orlando last year, Jack's numbers were:

14-47 fg 29.7% fg

1-13 3pt fg 7.7 % 3pt fg

15 pts

3.3 TOs

For the series with the good game added in:

24/67 35.8% fg

3/18 16.7 3 pt %

18 pts

4.3 TOs

[Chef]

i have been wanting a jack trade since the start of this year. dallas will take him and we don't have to take back a crappy contract in return. wait for them to call.

[Deadshot]

Why would Dallas take him with Carlisle at the helm? They would probably rather pick up Stackhouse again lol...

[Reezy]

See my biggest problem with jack is that he's not attacking the rim as much. I don't mind the shooting, but he's forcing it instead of putting the ball on the floor. Just my 2 cents.

[Demon DeaCat]

We can talk trash about Jack all we want, but the inescapable truth is that we need him. We wouldn't have made the playoffs last year without him and we would quickly fall out of contention this year without him on the court. If he is traded, as many of you wish, it would likely be for pennies on the dollar. We would be transformed from a team with hopes of making the playoffs into the Cavs. I can't believe that's really what any of us wants. I'm not a complete Jack apologist. He frustrates me at times as well, but the good outweighs the bad by a pretty wide margin IMO. Even in his "bad" games he still usually finds ways to make big shots. Last night was a case in point.

I'm all for a trade if it makes sense, but to me, making sense requires us getting back decent talent and a draft pick, and I just don't see that happening. If the FO can pull that off I'd be happy to be wrong, but I don't see it.

[coldhardtruth2330]

The man has been in a slump, and all of you want to hate. Just dont forget he's the best offensive skilled player we have. I see everyone of you all over dj's nuts no matter how bad he plays or no matter how quick pg's blow by his ass every single night. Your all over wallace's nuts again, just cuz he had one good quarter. The simple fact is Jack and GW don't coincide well in a half court offense because they both like to hold the ball instead of swing the ball to the other side and make a play. Knowing the Bobcats trade history, he probably will get traded and we won't get shit in return, and he'll go to Dallas and help them win a championship.

[Adam42R]

I agree with cold, the guy is in a slump right now. But there is noone else on this team that we can count on to "try" win the game, "try" take the lead, "try" tie the game when time is of the essence. Jack might make a lot of bad shots but it's not because they are bad ideas - often, it's just not executed well (and I bet he'd tell you that). But hands down, when we need something crucial, not only is he able, he is most importantly willing and he understands a sense of urgency and that is heads above anyone else on this team (right now). I share the sentiments that he can be very frustrating at times but unless you can find a true "go-to" guy to replace him, he's invaluable.

At present, I wouldn't trade anyone on this team. Sure we might not have the penultimate roster but I think there are some real gems on this team and I am all for Paul Silas finding out how well to use them (plus, we don't exactly have assets that are attractive at their current price-points anyway). And I sure wouldn't trade someone because the fans are upset with him - to listen to most, they'd have traded Diaw last year and DJ would have never played a game this year and Kwame or Hendo ... I think folks need to loosen up and take in that we actually have a pretty good group of guys (albeit somewhat creatively put together) and stop wanting to trade a guy when he's not done something well for 4-5 games.