the 3 parter posted on the page:
no way memphis does mayo and thabeet for nazr, carroll and whoever else was in it. mayo is going to cost at least an expiring and a #1 pick that is projected at or near the lottery
The 2010-2011 Trade Discussion Thread (part IV)
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the 3 parter posted on the page:
no way memphis does mayo and thabeet for nazr, carroll and whoever else was in it. mayo is going to cost at least an expiring and a #1 pick that is projected at or near the lottery
Yeah, I can agree with you Chef. Our only hope would be that they'd be desperate to dump him. Maybe we could deal with Dallas, then trade Butler's expiring deal. Also, Nazr has an expiring deal they'd be getting. Really, I'd be willing to give them anyone or I'd be willing to throw in a 1st round pick if it meant getting Mayo.
I can't see Memphis giving up Mayo/Thabeet for Nazr, Carroll, etc.
Just a thought. All the rumors from last season and earlier this season about Crash being traded. I have a feeling that our FO knows something that we dont know. Crash has not been the same player since just before the All Star break last year. He was playing like an All Star, and then just like that he started to go downhill. Now all the rumors about bickering and disharmony in the locker room. Crash is playing like a shell of himself. Last night we really needed him in that 76er game, and he shoots only 7 times? And we went to OT to boot.
If you compare his trade value at the All Star break to right now, we have lost a ton of leverage. There is no way to feel good about where we stand right now. Do we trade now and get the best we can get? Do we hold him and hope to heck he gets back to his old self and keep him? Do we hold him and hope he steps his game up a bit to increase his value and then trade him ASAP? All 3 options have a certain amount of risk to them which can totally backfire.
to be fair about yesterday's game. boris was hot and deserved the green light. jax chucked up 24 shots despite missing the ocean. there just weren't alot of shots for crash to take and he isn't the "give me the damn ball" type of player. he was 6 of 7. yes he isn't as aggressive on the boards as he was last year but his play is about the same. even last year, he was one of the league leaders in getting his shot blocked, he was still "crashing" to the rim and ending up on the floor. his game hasn't changed all that much. he just gets less looks and has to force more shots with jax on the team.Originally Posted by ohara831
i say trade both jax and crash. no surprise coming from me. i have a trade idea that most everyone here will hate, i am sure of it.
out:
crash, jax
in:
deng, bogans, scal, james johnson, our pick back and the bulls pick this year
why: as you said crash's value is a little low but he is still a good player. at this point, i am not sure about his value over the next two years. i believe deng is slightly overpaid but is a big upgrade (for our team) over crash now that thomas and kwame are getting the rebounds gerald used to get. deng can guard just as well if not better than crash as he isn't as prone to getting out of position gambling on steals. i think i would rather pay deng the extra year and a little more but save on jax's contract. we buy out scal immediately and trade bogans next year as an expiring. we get back our draft pick in 2012 which is going to be a strong draft class and we get an extra pick this year, albeit a low first. if the draft chips fall well, it could allow us to do the next to impossible and rebuild on the fly without the 5 or 6 down years.
why for chicago: get the sg in jax but save long term with deng being gone. they also get very close production trade off with crash. with rose and boozer being first and first options, jax won't hurt them like he hurts us. crash is also a better trade chip for them down the road then deng so giving up the two picks is justified.
why we wouldn't do it: deng is a risk and an expensive contract. is this the value we want out of crash? and finally, dallas calls us this week desperate and offers butler, jones and a pick for jax and ups.
Crash is averaging almost exactly the same amount of shots this year as last year (12.6 per game). 7 is a little low, but as Chef said Boris deserved the shots. He usually average 10 per game but had 14 attempts last night.
Jax usually averages 16 shots per game but took 24 last night. DJ averages 11 but took 16.
I still don't believe Crash has suddenly become an old man in just a few months. IMO we have DJ deferring to Jax almost exclusively at the end of games (probably cuz Jax demands it), so Crash is kind of being left out in the cold.
With him just coming off all star status last year you'd think we'd make an effort to have him more involved. Instead...we'll most likely trade him for crap and he'll get right back to form. Pretty much happens after every one of our trades.
Not to crazy about Deng's contract and how much he's been injured. I also question his desire to keep it rolling every minute game in and game out. He's still young and he's been playing very well lately so maybe he's getting there. Big risk tho.
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Chicago Deal
I like that deal with Chicago. It would save us a ton of money (which I personally don't care about, but you know the FO does) and it gets us two 1st round picks. Deng can be "the man" if he's put in the right situation. Charlotte might be it for him. Also, you get the up side of James Johnson. He might turn into something.
IF Dalllas offers Butler, Jones and a pick for Jax, we have to, have to do that. Jones is an offensive guy big time (leading the Big East in scoring last year). I'd like to see him and Augustin in the backcourt together.
I don't think it's Wallace's averages or percentages that makes him look like he's fallen off a cliff, from last years form. It's that intensity, energy, hustle that he's lost which made him.
That is just what I think also. He just does not seem to have the motor running. And I cannot help but wonder if the injuries, especially the concussions, are starting to take their toll on his game in a big way. I hope I am wrong and Specte is right that it may be just a byproduct of our system and who is running the show and who is most agressive for the shots. I just dont know at this point.
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