Also we had our chance before this season started to have a "contender" but what changed between then and now? This is what I mean MJ has proven he has no true direction and is just spouting BS to make the fans and his wallet happy.
The Sonics also lucked into Durant when Portland took Oden instead. Kinda the reverse for us when Orlando opted for Howard and left us Okafor.
Seems like the majority of people MJ needs to "defend" this move with are some of the posters here. Looks like the majority of people I read both here and at RGM seem to feel the deal was the right thing to do and will work to the benefit of the Bobcats. But time will prove it out. I dont think anyone's mind will be changed over the rest of this season. We will just have to see what happens as Hendo starts, see who we end up getting with the draft picks obtained and then see if the trade was good or bad. We really wont know a true final answer until we see the 2013 draft and if Portland's pick is near Lottery or late in the 1st. But by then, we should already have a pretty good idea about how this trade panned out. And I for what dont need MJ defending it to me. I agreed with it.
Cat, as long as you understand that you don't build a franchise off of one #20 pick in a shit draft and one future #20 pick then we're cool.
You may not find many Grade A Superstars from #20 and back, but you can find some very good players in the last 1/3 of the 1st round who can become very important starters and bench players that give you a chance at being a contender in the East. Some from the last 10 years taken from #20 and back in the 1st round:
2008 - Nicolas Batum
2007 - Jared Dudley, Wilson Chandler, Rudy Fernandez, Aaron Brooks
2006 - Rhondo
2005 - Petro, Maxiell, David Lee
2004 - Kevin Martin, Jameer Nelson
2003 - Kendrick Perkins, Josh Howard
2002 - Crash, Tony Parker
2001 - Darren Collison, Taj Gibson
I know that the vast majority of players taken in that time frame are players who come off the bench or are minor starters, but the teams who are good year after year always seem to find quality late in the 1st round. So the players are there. It just takes the right people to evaluate and recognize the talent and then help the potential become reality. Granted, the Bobcats history in this has been spotty at best. It is not a fair and accurate representation to say that the 1st rounder will be an awesome player just because he is drafted in the bottom 1/3 of the 1st round, but it is also not fair to assume they will be a crap player. The players are there. It is just up to the team to find them. The players we take in 2011 and 2013 draft may not be superstars, but they can certainly prove to be a huge factor in our future success. So why not wait and see before you decide to sh-t all over them.
Never once did I dispute the fact that talent can be taken that late. The point I need to continuously make, however, is that you don't build a franchise with any of those players. Not if you want to be a contender. Why is that so hard for everyone to understand?
A tribute to "Crash"...We'll miss you Dude...
I'd be all for packaging both of them to get our pick back from Chicago so we aren't held in limbo. One lottery pick is more valuable than two #20s.