Reply With QuoteVery true. We've had games where all our starters just were way off. Last night was one. Just a real bad game. Team needs to put it behind them and move on.Originally Posted by Scottley Crue
It kinda reads to me like not only is the sky falling, but the ground is coming up, too.
I believe the worst part about this trade is that it requires patience to see what comes of it. Patience is very much a virtue here.
Very true. We've had games where all our starters just were way off. Last night was one. Just a real bad game. Team needs to put it behind them and move on.
You all throw around the drafting of Kwame brown as a Jordan mistake, but TRY to go back 10 years to that time period. There were about 7 different candidates to be drafted #1 overall. There was not a clear cut order to the top 7/8 picks or so. Eddie Griffin, Pau Gasol, Tyson Chandler, Eddie Curry, Battier, Jason Richardson, Diop, Kwame... those were the options.
From all accounts the Wizards were going to go with Chandler, Curry or Brown. Gasol was not one of the favorites to be in the top 3. Kwame pretty much solidified himself as the Wizards favorite after dominating Chandler and Curry in individual work outs. His quickness was off the charts for a guy his size.
The Wizards wanted to draft down to #4 (or even later) and pick Kwame. However, that was not an option since they found out that the Hawks were a lock to take Kwame if he was available at #3 (Chandler was a lock at #2 since the Clips/Bulls had a trade in the making for awhile). Since Kwame was gone and their #2 choice Curry was gone, the Hawks chose to make a trade with Vancouver/Memphis. The Wizards did not want to take wing players or guards. A Big man was the only options at least for the Wizards.
The 2001 draft ended up to be a draft where there was a ton of NBA talent all throughout the 2 rounds. Many players are still in the NBA after 10 years to this day..even Brian Scalabrine. Of the 28 1st rounders, only 10 are out of the NBA with a few of those 10 playing overseas at a high level.
The 2001 draft was just a strange draft. The college players available were not players who would become superstars. There was no clear cut legitimate players like Yao, Lebron/Carmello, Dwight Howard, Bogut, Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, even Bargnani was a clear cut #1 a few weeks before the draft.
In todays world, obviously the high school players would not have been available. I believe Gasol or Eddie Griffin or gasp Darius Miles (drafted out of high school the year before) would have been the #1 pick for the Wizards.
I think we have to face the fact we're now a bad team...we might play better when TT comes back...but we're still a bad team...and when you trade one of your two best players and don't replace them with equal talent that's usually what you get...a bad team...
I can say to those who wanted a "rebuild"...they're going to get it...but as Scottley has pointed out...we need to be patient...we're now at the mercy of draft picks, what ever money the FO can cobble together, and FAs...this is going to take more than a minute or two...
A tribute to "Crash"...We'll miss you Dude...
40 point smackdown...don't worry Lakers, Portland (GO CRASH) up next.
If you cannot see any of the positives from the trade, but stretch to find only the negatives, then it is simply because you don't want to see the positives. And that is sad. Sure we took a step back. But it was to have a much brighter future. That future may be a year away, but we are going to get there. And it will be with or without all the current Bobcat fans. The group that has been here the past few years are great. But it completely baffles me when posters I know who are passionate and can make intelligent arguments sound more like trolls than fans.
It seems to me you have it reversed. The negatives are easy to see. To find positives you have to base it on hope that the FO can do the totally opposite of what they've done up to this point...and with a lot less to work with.
IMO that "may be a year away" is more like 2 to 3 years away...and that's if everything goes in our favor. What are the odds of that?
Hope Resurrected: "I think I can bring an attitude to a team as far as, ‘All right, no matter what, we are not losing this game'." - Kemba Walker
"Its okay to be bad; just so long as you're bad ass." - Keetch
I don't think MJ is going into this with a plan relying on the draft. An owner with as many connections as him is probably already conditioning Dwight Howard and Chris Paul.
My least favorite part of the whole trade is the position the players are in. The front office is obviously rebuilding while simultaneously hoping for "continued success". We all know they would rather have a good pick in this year's draft. I know what the front office means when they say we don't want to be the 7th and 8th seed, but it's confusing when the players are out there fighting for those spots.
If last night (against the Nuggets) was any indication of how this group plans to fight for a playoff spot then we have no chance...they looked worse than a patch-work college team...
I liked the rotations Paul used trying to find something that would work...but our starters have to step it up...but we looked as bad as any "bad" team in the league last night...and I know it was just one game...but that was epically pathetic...
A tribute to "Crash"...We'll miss you Dude...
The best part about your post is that your first statement is that people searching for negatives need to "stretch to find them" but then right after that, LIST A NEGATIVE!
I understand that there seems to be a black and white culture with this team but what you and the majority of the other "supporters of the trade" need to realize is that there is more than one way to rebuild. Ask CatNation about the Knicks.
I've had to repeat myself too many times that this trade was a shitty way to rebuild. Is it rebuilding? Yes. Am I glad we're doing it by trading Crash? Yes. Did we get a solid return? You bet. But, did we go about it in the entirely wrong way? Hell yes.
You and everyone else knows the value of cap space in the impending CBA talks. And while we saved $10mil in salary for next year, we sacrificed the ability to save even more by attaching one of our bad contracts to Crash (regardless of the picks coming our way). Crash is due $22mil over the next two years if he picks up his option. However, Diop is due $15mil over the next two years, Hammer is due $7.5 and Najera and Diaw are a combined $12 next year.
Would it not have been prudent for a rebuilding franchise to add even Najera's or Diaw's contract to the deal and sacrifice one of those picks? Of course it would. Now that we traded our best piece, we're effectively stuck with all of those players until they expire. That's what people like me, spectre, and some others are trying to explain. It's not "wahh wahh we traded Crash!", it's "wahh wahh, you're doing it wrong!"
This deal is an ass backwards way to rebuild. MJ wanted to save money on the bottom line and he knew the easiest and quickest way to do it was to trade Crash because there was a market for him. The picks were necessary to the deal because we got only expirings and no talent in return.
Those same picks are why people are willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the FO for this rebuilding mess when this "rebuild" is nothing but an excuse to save money in the here and now because we won't have the assets to rebuild this franchise until those bad contracts expire. The picks will be nice, yes, but we won't be able to use them with anything until at least two years from now. There's good rebuilding, bad rebuilding, and for us (as is fitting for everything about this franchise) MEDIOCRE rebuilding.
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