The worst part of the Crash trade

[ohara831]

SWedd, I did not mean to imply that one has to stretch to find a negative. There were both good and bad facets to this trade. My point was that there are people who seem to refuse to accept that there were good parts to this trade, and only want to accept the bad parts. And I have seen posts throughout where people are flat out stretching to no end to find something else bad to say.

It was not a perfect deal, but it seems to be the absolute best we were going to get. I read over multiple team fan sites on RGM and other places whenever we were linked to them as a trade involving Crash. Far and away, most NBA fans felt Crash was way over-rated and that the Bobcats were acting as if he walked on water. And over the past several months, whenever people here discussed trading Crash, even the ones who do think he walked on water would say "only if we can get a couple 1sts out of it". Well, we did. And some expirings to go along. It was a very fair return.

What I think is making this such a divisive issue is that we were only 1 game out of the 8th spot and we were playing fairly good ball at the time of the trade. It is aggravating to know we simply sent off one of our best players in a deal which clearly makes us weaker for the remainder of this season, when we were only 1 game out. I agree with those who feel the FO simply gave up on the season way too soon. But I also understand the thinking of the FO. This team was at best an 8th seed this season. But by making this trade and freeing up money over the next 1-2 years along with the picks we got, that after the 2013 season we should have a very solid group of players and a truckload of Cap Space in which to sign a big time FA. Not just a good player, but a MAX player who is a difference maker. Someone who can make this team a Top Contender for a Championship, not merely for an 8th seed. And this trade gave us just such an opportunity.

[SWedd523]

The one pick away thing is honestly what irks me the most, and what REALLY makes it obvious that this is about money more so than rebuilding. After we dumped LB and were however many games out of the race, if we really wanted to rebuild, we would have blown it up then to assure we get a higher draft pick. But we waited until literally minutes before the deadline, and "started the rebuild" while being one game out of the playoffs? How does that make any sense at all? Waiting until the deadline added another year to our rebuild. One more year that we miss out on a highest level player.

The Hornets pick that we got may very well become valuable if it lands in the lottery. The Portland pick (as it stands) is just about useless other than for trading purposes. I'm not saying what we got wasn't a fair trade, just that the Crash trade was 70% saving money and 30% rebuilding. There were other avenues we could have explored that would have proven more fruitful had we taken them.


I support the (general) direction of rebuilding, I just won't be fooled into thinking this deal was the best we could get in regards to the effort.

[JGib23]

I wasn't stretching, just another popped out to me after the beat down last night. Was really frustrated after watching the whole game.

I agree that it was/ is time to rebuild but, also agree that it was so important to couple one of the bad contracts with crash as well. (hopefully the next CBA will have a hard cap, or at least a 1 time amnesty clause where we can cut, the worst 1 or 2 contacts without a cap hit...Diop & Carrol)

Sorry for starting a negative thread but, it was hard to see any silver lining last night.

[ohara831]

But wasn't it being reported for a month leading up to the trade deadline that we were shopping Crash, Jax and Diaw? It was a weekly thing being reported on ESPN, HoopHype, HoopsWorld and all the other sites. I dont think for a minute that this was a last minute thing. I think the FO had been trying to do something, and that this was in fact the very best offer we had. Now, if facts come out later that are proven that we had a couple offers that every Bobcat fan would agree was much better than what went down, then I would say emphatically that the FO blew it by holding out too long bluffing and then got stuck having to take the best available offer. Or, if it is proven that there was a much better offer that all Bobcat fans would have jumped on that did not involve expirings and picks, but rather was for proven talent which would have most certainly made us a better team THIS year, then I will feel a good bit more disappointed. But in all honesty, I just dont think that was the case. I think they had offers, and people were lowballing thinking that MJ would be more interested in saving money. And I think he help out long enough that Portland finally caved and gave up a good deal of expirings to go with the 2 1rst round picks.

[teej]

One reason I think MJ didn't start the rebuild as soon as he fired LB is because he wanted to see how much was LB and how much was the team, and also because at that point, Hendo couldn't be counted on. No players (not on draft day or any other) will be moved until after a new CBA is signed, so this deadline was the last chance for player movement. MJ waited as long as he could, hoping (for his bottom line) that keeping Crash until the deadline might get the 'Cats into the playoffs AND get him into a rebuild. He may still get that. And, teams are more desperate at the deadline than in December. I doubt we could've gotten two first rounders after LB got fired. Crash built his value back up and then MJ struck while he could.

[ohara831]

And the reason I dont think we added any bad contracts onto the Crash trade is that they will be gone after the 2012-2013 season and that gives MJ the Cap Space to go get that MAX Contract FA after the 2012-2013 season. He wants those as expirings. At least that is what I think.

[BRNC]

^^^^With the CBA issue adding a "bad contract" is much more difficult...lucky for us they end in a "reasonable" time frame...

...and I had the distinct impression Paul was brought in to evaluate the players as much as anything...MJ was only hearing LBs voice and it (as we all know) shifted daily concerning the players...

[mrfargo]

look, I may not post very often on here, but I am and always will be a bobcats (whatever name jordan may change it too) fan. I still have the pennant from the inagurial season. I do not understand why everyone is trashing the team. So what if we rebuild in 2-3 years. So what if we loose out. True fans will stay fans. Posers will move on to another team and pull for them.

[Plowright]

http://www.bobcatsbreak.com/?p=4000

new article on gw by me!

[Boomer]

I don't think MJ is going into this with a plan relying on the draft. An owner with as many connections as him is probably already conditioning Dwight Howard and Chris Paul.

My least favorite part of the whole trade is the position the players are in. The front office is obviously rebuilding while simultaneously hoping for "continued success". We all know they would rather have a good pick in this year's draft. I know what the front office means when they say we don't want to be the 7th and 8th seed, but it's confusing when the players are out there fighting for those spots.

No chance Dwight or CP3 come here via free agency, its a pipe dream.