Kwame hate by Wiz fans? Fair. By Bobcats fans, not at all. Curry is a realistic choice for someone to shoot for down the load. I don't want to get my Bobcats fantasy world blown out of proportion, reality is enough of a letdown. I'd draft well \and not take on big contracts outside of All-Stars. That's simplistic but realistic for this team. We are a shitty market so we will not be attracting multiple free agent All-Stars.
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Kwame is averaging 8 points and 8 rebounds under Silas with 6 double doubles and multiple rebounding games in the 13-18 range. Now take a look around the league. How many centers are averaging numbers that are much different than that?
* There are only 20 players in the entire league that are averaging 8 or more rebounds a game and according to NBA.com, only 7 of them are centers.
* Of those 7 centers (Howard, Gasol, Horford, Chandler, Cousins and Stoudamire) what is the average salary for these players? I didn't do the research but I bet it is well in excess of 10 million per year even with guys like Cousins and Horford pulling it down.
* For the record, there 19 centers averaging over 8 points per game.
So, for a MINIMUM contract, we are getting a top 10 center in rebounding and a top 20 center in scoring...
How could that not be a great deal? And when you talk about value to the team...who would be playing center for us right now if Kwame wasn't n the roster?
And one more thing, 6 double doubles out of 31 games is an average of basically 20% or 1 out of every 5 games (not 1 out of 100).
Last edited by WAM9; 03-08-2011 at 08:48 AM.
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Last edited by skratch; 03-08-2011 at 12:44 PM.
I just went back and checked my numbers on NBA.com again and they are correct. I can't figure out where you are getting your numbers from but I don't really care either. You are making a really lame argument in saying that a minimum salary guy is our problem. Really?
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Kwame Brown ranks 35th in Hollinger's Player Efficiency Ratings for centers. The top 10 are Howard, Horford, Duncan, Bynum, Nene, Al Jefferson, Noah, Lopez, Chandler, and Shaq.
Now, Hollinger's PER isn't perfect, but it takes into account how the player helps their team win. Kwame gets 7 ppg and 6.7 rpg, but how much does that help his team? How does that compare to other players getting similar minutes. How are those numbers adjusted considering his teams offensive efficiency (o-rebs, ppg) and defensive efficiency (d-rebs) and number of posessions, etc, etc. While Hollinger's PER isn't perfect, it is a good way to measure players effectiveness.
The average NBA salary is 5.84 million. Kwame, who makes 1.2 mill, is behind these centers who are making below the league average: Horford (5.4), Noah (3.1), Lopez (2.4), Shaq (1.3), Brad Miller (4.4), Javale McGee (1.6), Chris Andersen (3.9), Chuck Hayes (2.3), Hibbert (1.6), M Gasol (3.4), Speights (1.7), Robin Lopez (1.8 ), Trevor Booker (1.2), Turiaf (4.0), DeAndre Jordan (0.8 ), Jason Thompson (2.1), Anthony Tolliver (2.2), and Ilgauskas (1.3).
Next, you have to consider that some of these guys are on rookie salaries (Horford, Noah, Lopez, Hibbert, Gasol, Speights, Lopez, Jordan, Thompson) but they are all probably going to be signing (or already have) extensions because they warrant it. Kwame, is not getting an extension. Other guys (Shaq, Ilgauskas) are on veteran's minimums.
So, that leaves us to compare Kwame to guys like Booker and Tolliver (who are rookies playing well, but will be career journeymen), Brad Miller, Chris Andersen, Chuck Hayes and Ronny Turiaf.
Comparing him to those guys, I'm happy with what we're getting out of him. Are Miller, Andersen, Hayes and Turiaf better? Probably. Are they a little bit more expensive? Yes. With Kwame we're getting exactly what we pay for. He's not a bargain, he doesn't suck.
The question should be, why are we paying our starting center the minimum and expecting to win?
Last edited by CrazyCarl139; 03-08-2011 at 02:06 PM.
I think you guys are forgetting what a great deal Diop is.
You all can laugh and poo poo Jimmer Fredette but the reality is that at this time he is more NBA ready than Harrison is. Potentially Harrison Barnes will be better but if we are talking about somebody who is more ready now I would take the one player you all would hate seeing in a Bobcats uniform before I would take Harrinson Barnes. At least at this time. Next season Harrison may be good enough to be the number one pick. I don't see him good enough for the lottery at this point.
You are also correct that why in the world would we have a minimum salary guy as our starting center and expect to be winning.
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I think too many people look at the points Jimmer is putting up without realizing that he is 1) the only scoring option on that team, 2) he plays in a mid-major conference against subpar competition (other than SDSU), and 3) is far too small to play his natural position in the NBA. He really isn't that much better than Nolan Smith, if at all.
The Tar Heels get the majority of their points in the paint by force feeding Zeller and Henson. Plus Strickland, Marshall, and McDonald all get their fair share of shots. If Barnes was the only threat on offense, you'd see him score 20+ on a nightly basis. Its also no secret that UNC got hot as soon as he became more assertive on offense.
I think so many people were so quick to write him off after his slow start that they don't realize he's been playing fantastic ball for awhile now.