Occupy Wall Street -vs- The Tea Party

[ziggy]

at the end of the day, once you remove a few layers of media spin, aren't their goals 99% the same?

[Chef]

not even close. the one thing they have in common is that they are both against government/corporate cronyism. they share the idea of ending the fed, ending the world's ultra ultra rich bankers calling the shots and ending subsidized losses and privatized profits. don't get it twisted, the OCW's are a combination of 100% communists and 100% anarchists. the tea partiers are for limited constitutional government not the monstrosity we have today. although it is curious that they are for medicare and ss?

[ziggy]

not even close. the one thing they have in common is that they are both against government/corporate cronyism. they share the idea of ending the fed, ending the world's ultra ultra rich bankers calling the shots and ending subsidized losses and privatized profits. don't get it twisted, the OCW's are a combination of 100% communists and 100% anarchists. the tea partiers are for limited constitutional government not the monstrosity we have today. although it is curious that they are for medicare and ss?

IMO In bold is 90% of the goals of both organizations. If that could be accomplished, I think that both would be willing to let go of the other things that they are protesting for.

[Keetch]

I agree Ziggy; though I think the tea party is fundamentally Libertarian in outlook (though I don't know where they stand on the Social Safety Net). i don't think the OCW crowd has a defining platform at this time; nor any one voice. Yet it seems to share goals with a majority that is more liberal than libertarian. Therefore; many supporting the OCW may favor a regulated market, universal health care and education; where the Libertarian view definitely would not.

[Keetch]

....though I bet most would be thrilled if only our politicians could work on the "regulated market" part of it.

[Chef]

I agree Ziggy; though I think the tea party is fundamentally Libertarian in outlook (though I don't know where they stand on the Social Safety Net). i don't think the OCW crowd has a defining platform at this time; nor any one voice. Yet it seems to share goals with a majority that is more liberal than libertarian. Therefore; many supporting the OCW may favor a regulated market, universal health care and education; where the Libertarian view definitely would not.

the tea party started out with more of a libertarian streak. it has calmed some. don't eff around at a tea party rally and say "end ss and medicare!" those old folks sure do rip down those "cut spending" signs awfully quick. but you are right. the reason they could never agree zig, is because by in large, the ows'ers want more governement, "free meals for everyone", working wage of $20 per hour set by government regardless of job, universal healthcare, etc. the most vocal are pure communists. the ones lurking in the shadows are the anarchists waiting to riot. right now they are use idiots for government (especially the liberal progs) and the elite banking layer. they will eventually riot, folks like us will demand government to provide safety and tighten up and they will be all to happy to oblige.

[dnbman]

the tea party started out with more of a libertarian streak. it has calmed some. don't eff around at a tea party rally and say "end ss and medicare!" those old folks sure do rip down those "cut spending" signs awfully quick. but you are right. the reason they could never agree zig, is because by in large, the ows'ers want more governement, "free meals for everyone", working wage of $20 per hour set by government regardless of job, universal healthcare, etc. the most vocal are pure communists. the ones lurking in the shadows are the anarchists waiting to riot. right now they are use idiots for government (especially the liberal progs) and the elite banking layer. they will eventually riot, folks like us will demand government to provide safety and tighten up and they will be all to happy to oblige.

Chef, I know a lot of people sympathetic to the OWS movement, and none of them want Communism, "free meals for everyone," or riots. (Though, I'm sure that set exists within the movement.) In general, I think that a lot of people are tired of the cronyism and Wall Street greed and think the government can do more to help people struggling than they are doing at the moment with nothing but cuts. There's a vast difference between wanting to make sure basic needs are met and flat out communism. That polarization of the two views-- either your capitalist or communist-- is one of the extremely frustrating things about the last few years of debate.

[Chef]

Chef, I know a lot of people sympathetic to the OWS movement, and none of them want Communism, "free meals for everyone," or riots. (Though, I'm sure that set exists within the movement.) In general, I think that a lot of people are tired of the cronyism and Wall Street greed and think the government can do more to help people struggling than they are doing at the moment with nothing but cuts. There's a vast difference between wanting to make sure basic needs are met and flat out communism. That polarization of the two views-- either your capitalist or communist-- is one of the extremely frustrating things about the last few years of debate.

i am just using their own website and publications for reference. i don't know any of these losers. i am too busy going to my job and raising my kid.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/propos...all-st-moveme/

the biggest problem that they don't understand is that the government DOES NOT care about them and never has. that is why people need to learn to become self sufficient. sure i rely on someone for a paycheck but i am 100% sure that if i lost my job, i would not turn to the government teat for my basic needs. and there hasn't been any cuts. they have only "cut" future spending. don't believe that bs for one second. 99 weeks of unemployment, 1 and 7 on food stamps, 1 in 4 on some kind of direct government assistance, a deficit of over one trillion dollars NOT COUNTING the wars. spare me the swan song and do for self.

the "government" could at anytime dissolve the fed, audit the fed, change the fed to an elected position, prosecute all government officials past and present as well as all of the elite bankers who were complicit in the entire mortgage scheme as well as make public all bailouts and what they were used for including the so called "stimulus". the fact of the matter is the will never nor want to. they are all in bed together to take from us and give to the rothchilds and builderbergs of the world through taxes, inflation and "retirement" accounts.

the problem is these fools want more government.

[ziggy]

i am just using their own website and publications for reference. i don't know any of these losers. i am too busy going to my job and raising my kid.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/propos...all-st-moveme/

the biggest problem that they don't understand is that the government DOES NOT care about them and never has. that is why people need to learn to become self sufficient. sure i rely on someone for a paycheck but i am 100% sure that if i lost my job, i would not turn to the government teat for my basic needs. and there hasn't been any cuts. they have only "cut" future spending. don't believe that bs for one second. 99 weeks of unemployment, 1 and 7 on food stamps, 1 in 4 on some kind of direct government assistance, a deficit of over one trillion dollars NOT COUNTING the wars. spare me the swan song and do for self.

the "government" could at anytime dissolve the fed, audit the fed, change the fed to an elected position, prosecute all government officials past and present as well as all of the elite bankers who were complicit in the entire mortgage scheme as well as make public all bailouts and what they were used for including the so called "stimulus". the fact of the matter is the will never nor want to. they are all in bed together to take from us and give to the rothchilds and builderbergs of the world through taxes, inflation and "retirement" accounts.

the problem is these fools want more government.

This in bold, we are in agreement on. But that raises the question, what do we as American citizens do about it? Organized protest seems to be the logical first step to give some of these issues the attention that they deserve. The second step... I don't know.

[Chef]

This in bold, we are in agreement on. But that raises the question, what do we as American citizens do about it? Organized protest seems to be the logical first step to give some of these issues the attention that they deserve. The second step... I don't know.

i am not going to be a primary voter of him but for one vote for ron paul.

find a candidate who represents you and vote for them.

STOP using debt to purchase things. if we as americans decided as one to not use debt to purchase anything except for houses (putting 20% down minimum) we would cease to be a debt/consumer nation.

but a bunch of unemployed/paid protestor/union supporters permanently "occupying" our cities is not going to accomplish anything. the tolerance of this movement by the rest of america will grow thin as this wears on. if they were smart they would have gone home after the attention really peaked and their message was heard. then periodically "re-occupy" a few weeks later. imagine if you owned a business around one of these protests. i would be pissed. they also have no clear message. "corporate greed" is very different than the fed issue. one is class warfare and one is a very real threat to our freedom. additionally, there are the green police, stop the wars, union pros, universal healthcare, etc folks down there. like i said, right now they are useful idiots. i will give them credit that some of them (very few) have a really good message. too bad they can't make that the focus.

good god i wish i had basketball so i could pretend to forget about all this for 5 minutes. it is so much more fun figuring out cap space and possible free agent and trade scenarios and analyzing the latest bobcat's loss than dealing with this crap. i just want to go to work, have fun with my family and watch sports and bad tv. is that too much ask?