Kidd-Gilchrist versus Barnes

[SWedd523]

The majority of Gilchrist's buckets come on rebound put backs and "half" post moves and the majority of Barnes' buckets come on spot up 3s or one/two dribble jumpers. Neither one has the consistent ability to take the ball, beat their man off the dribble, and finish at the rim.

[Pepperz]

Barnes flaws are things you can't teach: confidence, elite athleticism, finishing ability etc.

Where do you get these ideas from?

Confidence, he must have some kind of confidence in his game when he shoots .436 from down town.

Elite athleticism, He doesnt have that but neither does Gilchrist. He has more then enough to play the position.

Finishing ability, have you seen the Clemson game from last year or Miami game. Draining the winning shot in both of those games. Those two instances can also fall under confidence.

What you might be looking for is he lacks that "killer instinct" that a super star posses. He's not begging for the ball in the final min or throwing the team on his back when things get tough. He did show glimpse of that in the tournament by stepping up his game BIG time but never a whole season.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Kidd-Gilchrist: It was been written, even in at least one profile, that he is a great athlete and that he compares to Gerald Wallace.

Definitely seems to be a difference of opinion on that here, though.

I was impressed by him in the UNC game. But in fairness, Barnes was having to guard him with foul trouble.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Where do you get these ideas from?

Confidence, he must have some kind of confidence in his game when he shoots .436 from down town.

Elite athleticism, He doesnt have that but neither does Gilchrist. He has more then enough to play the position.

Finishing ability, have you seen the Clemson game from last year or Miami game. Draining the winning shot in both of those games. Those two instances can also fall under confidence.

What you might be looking for is he lacks that "killer instinct" that a super star posses. He's not begging for the ball in the final min or throwing the team on his back when things get tough. He did show glimpse of that in the tournament by stepping up his game BIG time but never a whole season.

I think folks mean finishing ability here as finishing AT THE RIM, not finishing out a game. At least, that's how I interpreted it and meant it.

[CatNation1]

This thread just shows you how many people have watched Barnes with there tarheel blue colored glasses and probably rarely watch KG. he's a year younger with a much much more complete game shooting+driving+running+passing+rebounding+defens e and he is more athletic to boot. Barnes is better at catch and shoot and worse at everything else as a 2nd yr player

[CatNation1]

Gilchrist is a terrible "fit" for us as he's basically a taller Gerald Henderson. Hendo/Gilchrist can't score on their own, so having a shoot-first PG like Kemba is going to be a real downer on the offensive side of the ball. He's also no better an athlete than Barnes (neither one is elite).


Neither Gilchrist nor Barnes is a great "fit", but Barnes is the better option of the two because we need perimeter shooting more than we need perimeter defense

Gilchrist is having arguably a better season playing with a more scoring/combo oriented PG as opposed to one of the purest passers in recent memory that Barnes has. even more proof he's a better fit for us

[Pepperz]

Its a matter if you want a Glen Rice type player compared to Gerald Wallace type player. IMO, This team needs more offense. If we kept the same team and added Gilchrist, teams will just collapse the D cuz they will never have to worry about the 3 ball. I see Barnes with the same type of mentality as Eli. People are going to question him all thru out the season but once it gets to the playoffs where it really matter, he will preform just like he did last year. Watch Barnes step up his game this March than lets ask the question whos better.

[SWedd523]

This thread just shows you how many people have watched Barnes with there tarheel blue colored glasses and probably rarely watch KG. he's a year younger with a much much more complete game shooting+driving+running+passing+rebounding+defens e and he is more athletic to boot. Barnes is better at catch and shoot and worse at everything else as a 2nd yr player

LOL I hope you're not referring to me, I guarantee you I've seen more Kentucky basketball games this year than anybody else on this site. You won't find anybody who says Gilchrist has an advantage shooting, driving, or running the floor.


The difference in the two players is clear. Gilchrist is a great rebounder, defender, and hustler but is a terrible shooter (watch the video at 0:49, his body is facing the three point line) , can't beat his man off the dribble on a consistent basis, and cannot initiate an offense (passing). Barnes is a great shooter and defender, but is a finesse player and can't beat his man off the dribble on a consistent basis or initiate an offense. Athleticism is a wash between the two.

Gilchrist would fit a team that has a dynamic scoring offense that doesn't require much pressure on his shoulders as it lets him beat his man with effort or open shots as they play off on other scorers or shooters (basically UK's offense. Would fit Dwight/Lakers/Blazers/Memphis). Barnes would fit a team that has a motion or fast break offense with a pass first PG so he can pick his spots on the offensive side of the ball(basically UNC's offense. He'd fit a Nash/Clippers/Hawks/Dwight team)

The fact that it's still being argued shows you must have a thing against UNC for whatever reason. I could care less where Barnes or Gilchrist go to school. As a matter of fact, I've said for a long time that I don't want Barnes to be our pick because we need a guy like Jeremy Lamb on the team. I've also said that if I had to pick a SF, it'd be Quincy Miller. But if we're going to compare the two, I think Barnes will have a better NBA career (Glen Rice vs. Gerald Wallace) and would be a better fit on our team because our only shooters are either injured (Reggie) or can't shoot (Hammer).

[CatNation1]

i dunno what youre arguing. if you're looking for a perfect franchise player he's not in this draft, if you are looking for the best player in our pick range at our worst position, our pick is Gilchrist. idk what to tell you :S

[SWedd523]

You think Gilchrist will be a top 3 pick? No...