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    Loyalty is a dying thing these days across most sports.

    Money and popularity seems to be more important these days.

    Davis will enter the draft... Bobcats end up with 2nd pick
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proudiddy View Post
    Yeah, because we have such a long and storied tradition of winning. Smh...

    We suck now and we have always sucked since our inception. I don't call that being a defeatist, I call it being a realist... and a Bobcats fan.

    Aside from that, yes, he can come out and say he's leaving now. Kidd-Gilchrist already has from his own team. Barnes and a few others from UNC have already said if they win it all they will leave without a doubt. So, if he didn't have any doubt, he could just say he is entering the draft when the season is over.
    There's a difference between being a realist: "We suck and have always sucked"

    And being a defeatist: "Davis refuses to come out because NOBODY wants to play for the Bobcats wahh, we suck and we'll always suck just because we suck and everybody hates us wahhh"

    It seems like every single time player X says he wants to stay in school some of the fans go straight to the apocalypse theory. How many times do these players say they aren't leaving only to turn around and say they are after the season? The majority of them. But hey, let's revise history just because we want to be as negative as possible because we love flagellating ourselves oh so much.

    You sound like a girl having her first period.


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    Quote Originally Posted by anton273 View Post
    Loyalty is a dying thing these days across most sports.

    Money and popularity seems to be more important these days.

    Davis will enter the draft... Bobcats end up with 2nd pick
    loyalty to what or to whom? i would never expect a player capable of a guaranteed contract for 3 years to stay subjugated to a free labor system. the college system is all wrong and treats its labor force as indentured servants. the tv deal alone for the tournament is in the billions, factor in jersey sales and other player related paraphernalia, and the star players are being cheated out of millions of dollars. not only that, but they are vilified if they dare try to profit off of their name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chef View Post
    loyalty to what or to whom? i would never expect a player capable of a guaranteed contract for 3 years to stay subjugated to a free labor system. the college system is all wrong and treats its labor force as indentured servants. the tv deal alone for the tournament is in the billions, factor in jersey sales and other player related paraphernalia, and the star players are being cheated out of millions of dollars. not only that, but they are vilified if they dare try to profit off of their name.
    Good lord... I'm sick of this stupid argument. They CHOSE to go to college, and they know the rules. If they wanted to get paid, they would do what Brandon Jennings did. They get a free education (which means something if they stay), free room & board, free athletic gear, free trips, free exposure, free coaching, free access to weight rooms, gifts at the NCAA tournament/Bowl games, etc. What else do you want? If you're a player and you don't like it, there are some teams in Lithuania who would love to have you for a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SWedd523 View Post
    There's a difference between being a realist: "We suck and have always sucked"

    And being a defeatist: "Davis refuses to come out because NOBODY wants to play for the Bobcats wahh, we suck and we'll always suck just because we suck and everybody hates us wahhh"

    It seems like every single time player X says he wants to stay in school some of the fans go straight to the apocalypse theory. How many times do these players say they aren't leaving only to turn around and say they are after the season? The majority of them. But hey, let's revise history just because we want to be as negative as possible because we love flagellating ourselves oh so much.

    You sound like a girl having her first period.
    Very mature and insightful response.

    Tell me... How many times have we hit on our draft picks?

    Now, tell me even when great players were available, how many times we picked those "great players"? So far, we haven't. EVER. How many times have we been dissed by players? Plenty.

    You're painting me as one extreme when I really represent the truth. I'm telling you, this fan base has been so deprived of a quality basketball team that when Biyombo has a double-double, 99% of the board creams their pants and claims he's the next Dennis Rodman or Dwight Howard, lol. It's pathetic. That's not a knock on BB either... It just shows how much we've sucked throughout our history. BB will be fine, but just as you claim I'm so short sighted and become a prisoner of the moment, the same can be said for everyone here - either positively or negatively. But, because I'm too realistic about things, and that doesn't line up with your sunshine and rainbows agenda, you take shots at me. It's getting old.

    Now, tell me how many trades or signings we have pulled off for bonafide stars? Remember the Melo rumors? CP3? What was the reason we would hear as to why the trades fell apart for us? Because we are Charlotte, our market is too small, our franchise is poorly managed, etc. So, again, tell me why I should want to get hyped up for whatever player we're rumored to get or target? Even the Panthers got dissed by a unanimous #1 selection before the draft and they have been successful at points in their history and they are extremely well respected in regards to ownership/management. We ended up with a far better player anyway (although Hurney has always hit on 1st rounders), but my point remains.

    So, why is it so far fetched to believe players, either NBA vets or college players entering the draft, wouldn't want to come here?

    Again, welcome to reality. Sorry if that doesn't smoothly pour into your orange colored glasses.

    If you don't like my opinion, feel free to stop reading it and get off my jock.
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    NO#1 PICK MILIONS or take a chance on a ACL tare . Lets see take the milions or take a chance on getting hurt ? Humm is thair a draft pick better than 1st?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Proudiddy View Post
    Yeah, because we have such a long and storied tradition of winning. Smh...

    We suck now and we have always sucked since our inception. I don't call that being a defeatist, I call it being a realist... and a Bobcats fan.

    Aside from that, yes, he can come out and say he's leaving now. Kidd-Gilchrist already has from his own team. Barnes and a few others from UNC have already said if they win it all they will leave without a doubt. So, if he didn't have any doubt, he could just say he is entering the draft when the season is over.
    He could say he's going, yes. Perhaps that's not his style. He appears to have taken a more measured and professional approach to this type of questioning. He's showing that he's focused on the task at hand, winning a national championship. Others can handle this as they wish, but I do like it to be handled the way Davis is. Basically, "I'm busy right now trying to accomplish something with my teammates. Ask me a little later, Ok?"

    Davis may or may not be a Bobcat. Time will tell. I'll just say this about the situation...it can be a half full glass of water, not a half empty glass of acid. I just prefer the water is all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Let's Go Cats 218 View Post
    Good lord... I'm sick of this stupid argument. They CHOSE to go to college, and they know the rules. If they wanted to get paid, they would do what Brandon Jennings did. They get a free education (which means something if they stay), free room & board, free athletic gear, free trips, free exposure, free coaching, free access to weight rooms, gifts at the NCAA tournament/Bowl games, etc. What else do you want? If you're a player and you don't like it, there are some teams in Lithuania who would love to have you for a year.
    well, for starters if i were tyler hansbrough and i looked into the stands at the dean dome and saw 75% of the people wearing my jersey at $40+ a shot, i would want a cut of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chef View Post
    well, for starters if i were tyler hansbrough and i looked into the stands at the dean dome and saw 75% of the people wearing my jersey at $40+ a shot, i would want a cut of it.
    I mean, I see what you're saying. But that is how the system works... I'd think if I were Tyler Hansblow and I saw 75% of the people wearing my jersey, I'd be pretty darn excited because that means I'm probably going to start making serious $$ in a couple years. These kids (and they ARE kids) can wait a couple years before they start making millions. Lots of kids wore Chris Paul West Forsyth jerseys while he played in High School... I suppose he should have been paid at 15-16?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proudiddy View Post
    Very mature and insightful response.

    Tell me... How many times have we hit on our draft picks?

    Now, tell me even when great players were available, how many times we picked those "great players"? So far, we haven't. EVER. How many times have we been dissed by players? Plenty.

    You're painting me as one extreme when I really represent the truth. I'm telling you, this fan base has been so deprived of a quality basketball team that when Biyombo has a double-double, 99% of the board creams their pants and claims he's the next Dennis Rodman or Dwight Howard, lol. It's pathetic. That's not a knock on BB either... It just shows how much we've sucked throughout our history. BB will be fine, but just as you claim I'm so short sighted and become a prisoner of the moment, the same can be said for everyone here - either positively or negatively. But, because I'm too realistic about things, and that doesn't line up with your sunshine and rainbows agenda, you take shots at me. It's getting old.

    Now, tell me how many trades or signings we have pulled off for bonafide stars? Remember the Melo rumors? CP3? What was the reason we would hear as to why the trades fell apart for us? Because we are Charlotte, our market is too small, our franchise is poorly managed, etc. So, again, tell me why I should want to get hyped up for whatever player we're rumored to get or target? Even the Panthers got dissed by a unanimous #1 selection before the draft and they have been successful at points in their history and they are extremely well respected in regards to ownership/management. We ended up with a far better player anyway (although Hurney has always hit on 1st rounders), but my point remains.

    So, why is it so far fetched to believe players, either NBA vets or college players entering the draft, wouldn't want to come here?

    Again, welcome to reality. Sorry if that doesn't smoothly pour into your orange colored glasses.

    If you don't like my opinion, feel free to stop reading it and get off my jock.
    a great argument. I really believe we all get short- sighted. But I am to believe that someone somewhere has told Davis that you are the consensus no 1 pick and you may end up in Charlotte, someone going tell him how small the market is and how bad our history is. He is looking at reality as we are looking at reality. Until he is in a Bobcats uniform and says he is committed to winning, I shouldn't make myself get hyped up. He may pull an Andrew Luck, that is his choice. But it is just fun for moment to speculate though, especially with you are a fan.


 

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