The Official Bradley Beal Thread

[dnbman]

It can be pretty hard to figure out what translates well in the NBA, especially if you've been wowed by a player. I remember local sports talking about Devan Downey as a possible lottery pick, and I don't even think the guy was in the draft discussion.

[Plowright]

Jenkins can shoot, that is an elite skill so thats great. What else can he do, nothing... he averaged like 1 assist per game, can defend, cant drive it, cant handle the ball. He is totally 1 dimensional

[gamecocksmitty4]

Sigh. Why is it impossible to share an opinion on a message board? Just because my opinion differs from yours doesn't mean that I am a homer or "related to him". My opinion is that Jenkins' game will transition well to the NBA. MUCH MUCH better than JJ Redick's. People look at his stats and assume that he is strictly a 3-point specialist and not a good athlete. Unfortunately, his tape says otherwise. I already provided some evidence as to why I think he will do well in the NBA. One reason is his ability to create his own shot. His crossover is ridiculous. Also, his shooting form is similar to Ray Allen's, which he can get off from anywhere.

I find it funny that people consider Barnes a top 5 prospect (although he has fallen to as low as top 10 recently in some mocks) because of his ability to hit threes. Fact is, he's only an above average 3-point shooter in college. Jenkins has been one of the best snipers for the last three years but because he doesn't play in Chapel Hill people will be quick to say he's "only a shooter". Well, what can Barnes do better than Jenkins (other than be 4 inches taller)? Absolutely nothing. In fact, Jenkins is better at EVERYTHING than Barnes except maybe slightly defense (and he's better on D than people give him credit for). The biggest knock on Barnes is his inability to create his own shot and his GOD-AWFUL ball handling. Yet, he's still considered a lottery pick because he's supposedly a good spot-up shooter. Now explain that logic. Jenkins does everything that Barnes can't do, yet he's considered a possible second round pick? You can't tell me that 4 inches (at different positions) is the difference between a top 3 pick and a possible second round pick. I didn't say he will be a top 3 pick. I said he should be. That's my opinion. Just because you have a different one doesn't mean I'm stupid. Try using facts and your own observations to formulate an opinion rather than saying "well a website said he's not super athletic and he shoots (and makes) a lot of threes so he must be the same as JJ Redick" or something similar.

[dnbman]

Sigh. Why is it impossible to share an opinion on a message board? Just because my opinion differs from yours doesn't mean that I am a homer or "related to him". My opinion is that Jenkins' game will transition well to the NBA. MUCH MUCH better than JJ Redick's. People look at his stats and assume that he is strictly a 3-point specialist and not a good athlete. Unfortunately, his tape says otherwise. I already provided some evidence as to why I think he will do well in the NBA. One reason is his ability to create his own shot. His crossover is ridiculous. Also, his shooting form is similar to Ray Allen's, which he can get off from anywhere.

No disrespect. I didn't mean to say that you were a homer. However, I haven't seen a draft site list him high yet and the ones I've seen all mention his lack of athleticism and skills other than shooting. You seem to be in a pretty small minority with your opinion.

I've seen a couple of Gamecocks that look like they could blow by anybody with their crossovers, but that doesn't mean they'd be good NBA prospects, which is why I mentioned Downey, who some thought would be another AI.

[ohara831]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...n_To_Ray_Allen

This kid has to be considered a strong candidate for #2 if we dont get Davis at #1.

[SWedd523]

Sigh. Why is it impossible to share an opinion on a message board? Just because my opinion differs from yours doesn't mean that I am a homer or "related to him". My opinion is that Jenkins' game will transition well to the NBA. MUCH MUCH better than JJ Redick's. People look at his stats and assume that he is strictly a 3-point specialist and not a good athlete. Unfortunately, his tape says otherwise. I already provided some evidence as to why I think he will do well in the NBA. One reason is his ability to create his own shot. His crossover is ridiculous. Also, his shooting form is similar to Ray Allen's, which he can get off from anywhere.

I've been a fan of Jenkins ever since his freshman year, so it's not like I'm against him. I've long advocated for picking him up in the draft but you seem to be seeing things in his game that simply aren't there. Jenkins is nothing more than a fantastic long range shooter.

I have watched at least 25 of his games (3 in person at CLA) and have seen nothing about his game that projects to anything more than a floor spacing option off the bench. He is an average athlete (by NCAA standards), has a weak body and small frame, and is a poor defender, rebounder, and passer. His first step is average and will have a difficult time beating his man off the dribble and finishing at the rim.

Nearly two thirds (8.7/13.1) of his FG attempts are from long range. If he had such a "ridiculous crossover", I'd expect him to get into the lane more often. By comparison, Austin Rivers DOES has a killer crossover and utilizes that by getting into the lane at will.

I find it funny that people consider Barnes a top 5 prospect (although he has fallen to as low as top 10 recently in some mocks) because of his ability to hit threes. Fact is, he's only an above average 3-point shooter in college. Jenkins has been one of the best snipers for the last three years but because he doesn't play in Chapel Hill people will be quick to say he's "only a shooter". Well, what can Barnes do better than Jenkins (other than be 4 inches taller)? Absolutely nothing. In fact, Jenkins is better at EVERYTHING than Barnes except maybe slightly defense (and he's better on D than people give him credit for).

You're far overrating Jenkins' ability on the defensive end. Jenkins has the worst DRtg on his team among players receiving at least 10 minutes per game (9 players). In other words, he's a bad defender. On the other hand, Barnes has the fourth highest DRtg on his team among players receiving at least 10 minutes (8 players).

Also, despite Barnes being average in just about every facet of the game other than shooting, he still managed to have a much higher TRB% than Jenkins (9.0 to 5.1) despite playing with two guys who averaged 10 per game. He also had a higher AST%, albeit slightly so at 8.4 to 8.2 despite playing with a much more ball dominant PG in Kendall Marshall (45.1 AST% to Tinsley's 29.9).

I agree with you though that Barnes is considered a high lottery pick largely due to the hype he received coming out of high school. He hasn't shown anything to make him worth being a lottery pick, but you have to keep in mind that people are projecting what he can do in the NBA, not what he has done at the NCAA level.

I didn't say he will be a top 3 pick. I said he should be. That's my opinion. Just because you have a different one doesn't mean I'm stupid.

I never called you stupid. But I guarantee there is not a single levelheaded person who would agree with you that he should be a top 3 pick.

Try using facts and your own observations to formulate an opinion rather than saying "well a website said he's not super athletic and he shoots (and makes) a lot of threes so he must be the same as JJ Redick" or something similar.

I hope I used enough facts and anecdotal evidence for you this time.

p.s. there's absolutely nothing wrong with being the same as JJ Redick. He's a fantastic bench/fringe starter than just about any team would love to have.

[Plowright]

We May clash on some just things Swedd but you have just typed everything i couldn't be bothered to so thank you for that

[Potato]

This is my guy if we don't get the first overall pick. Let's be real, we need scoring terribly and this guy is the most creative scorer in the draft. He can create his own shot and has mad range. He was a bit inconsistent at Florida this year, one game he would be hot and the next he would be cold but the kid was 19 years old and has a lot to learn. This guy is gonna finish with a career average of over 20 points, that's a guarantee and he has the skills to run the point.

It's still a mystery as to how tall Beal is whether it's 6'3" or 6'4" he's a bit undersized for your prototypical NBA 2 but I'm not too worried about it honestly. I fell in love with this guy when he scored 20 points in the SEC tournament almost leading the Gators past the best team in the nation, Kentucky. He really emerged as Florida's go-to guy by the NCAA tournament. He still has a lot to learn but I saw a lot of improvement from Beal the lone season he played at Florida and he still has a lot of improving to do.

I know, Hendo was arguably our best player last year and he plays the 2... that's a problem but I'm still not positive Hendo is starter worthy. He seems to me to be your prototypical 6th man in the NBA while Beal can be a go-to scorer for years to come. This is my guy if we lose out on Davis. I'll be fine with MKG too, but I'd prefer Beal.



Btw, if we already have a Beal thread just move this.

[dav7z]

This is my guy if we don't get the first overall pick. Let's be real, we need scoring terribly and this guy is the most creative scorer in the draft. He can create his own shot and has mad range. He was a bit inconsistent at Florida this year, one game he would be hot and the next he would be cold but the kid was 19 years old and has a lot to learn. This guy is gonna finish with a career average of over 20 points, that's a guarantee and he has the skills to run the point.

It's still a mystery as to how tall Beal is whether it's 6'3" or 6'4" he's a bit undersized for your prototypical NBA 2 but I'm not too worried about it honestly. I fell in love with this guy when he scored 20 points in the SEC tournament almost leading the Gators past the best team in the nation, Kentucky. He really emerged as Florida's go-to guy by the NCAA tournament. He still has a lot to learn but I saw a lot of improvement from Beal the lone season he played at Florida and he still has a lot of improving to do.

I know, Hendo was arguably our best player last year and he plays the 2... that's a problem but I'm still not positive Hendo is starter worthy. He seems to me to be your prototypical 6th man in the NBA while Beal can be a go-to scorer for years to come. This is my guy if we lose out on Davis. I'll be fine with MKG too, but I'd prefer Beal.



Btw, if we already have a Beal thread just move this.

Ill say this any one who takes Beal top 3 will be disapointed big time . Hes not even the best 2 guard in this draft .
He a little small, little slow , handle needs a little work , A his long range game has to inprove. At 6.3 that doesn't exactly spell all star .
http://nbadraft.net/players/bradley-beal
Hes just a poor mans Hendo .
Ross projected much futher back has just as much ability if not more. Rivers and Lame may have more.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

i got beal #2 on my draft board now....cooling a little on MKG