The Official Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread

[Mustachio]

I don't think the guy is hype. I think he's a legit player, but there's definitely question marks.

He is a legit player... and a good one. he just isn't worthy of a #2 pick.

[Potato]

Robinson is the Drain-o, not the clog. T-Rob starts immediately. MKG waits behind Maggette because he can actually score. What need does MKG fill?

Maggette is not our future SF, lol. I still think Biyombo would be a better fit at PF because he's only 6'9" and if we're hoping to land Cody Zeller or Nerlens Noel next year I don't know if you can take him with already Robinson and Biyombo down low. I think MKG could potentially average 15 ppg in all his starts as a rookie which is like what CM had last year. Yes, Robinson can come in and contribute more day 1 but MKG has the higher ceiling.

e: and there's no one clearly worth the second pick in the draft, so theres that.

[Mustachio]

Maggette is not our future SF, lol. I still think Biyombo would be a better fit at PF because he's only 6'9" and if we're hoping to land Cody Zeller or Nerlens Noel next year I don't know if you can take him with already Robinson and Biyombo down low. I think MKG could potentially average 15 ppg in all his starts as a rookie which is like what CM had last year. Yes, Robinson can come in and contribute more day 1 but MKG has the higher ceiling.

I disagree with almost everything you just said, but thats ok... its all preference I suppose.

-Maggette is not our future SF, but my point is that he is DEFINITELY a better player than MKG right now. Robinson would come in and start immediately. He is already the best PF on this team.

-I don't think Biyombo is a PF either. I think he is a defensive center. Again just my preference.

-If you think MKG could average 15ppg next season, then I think its possible we are talking about two different players. The MKG I know, I think its more likely that 15 is his season high in points.

-MKG Ceiling might be higher (I dont think it is, but I understand the argument) but Robinson's floor may be a little higher too. Another words, MKG has total flop ability, while I think Robinson at the very least is a good rebounder and muscle inside guy from day1.

Finally, all that we have discussed including your bit about wanting to draft Noel next year ( i do as well) is based on "fit". Which is the exact opposite way I think the FO is viewing this. If we draft Robinson and he turns out good, and then next year still have the opportunity for Noel... how is that a bad thing? Robinson, Biyombo, Noel, Mullens frontcourt for the next 4-5 years to me seems like it would serve us better than drafting based on supposed holes. You take the best player available regardless of position... and to me the only option at #2 for the "best player available" is T-rob.

[Potato]

I disagree with almost everything you just said, but thats ok... its all preference I suppose.

-Maggette is not our future SF, but my point is that he is DEFINITELY a better player than MKG right now. Robinson would come in and start immediately. He is already the best PF on this team.

-I don't think Biyombo is a PF either. I think he is a defensive center. Again just my preference.

-If you think MKG could average 15ppg next season, then I think its possible we are talking about two different players. The MKG I know, I think its more likely that 15 is his season high in points.

-MKG Ceiling might be higher (I dont think it is, but I understand the argument) but Robinson's floor may be a little higher too. Another words, MKG has total flop ability, while I think Robinson at the very least is a good rebounder and muscle inside guy from day1.

Finally, all that we have discussed including your bit about wanting to draft Noel next year ( i do as well) is based on "fit". Which is the exact opposite way I think the FO is viewing this. If we draft Robinson and he turns out good, and then next year still have the opportunity for Noel... how is that a bad thing? Robinson, Biyombo, Noel, Mullens frontcourt for the next 4-5 years to me seems like it would serve us better than drafting based on supposed holes. You take the best player available regardless of position... and to me the only option at #2 for the "best player available" is T-rob.

Of course Maggette is better right now, he's been doing it 10+ years while MKG is 18 years old. By the end of the year MKG would definitely take Maggette's job and I think he has multiple outings where he goes for 20+ as a rookie, with his work ethic and drive he's going to do all he can to develop that jump shot, watch out if he does but I mean that statement is nothing new there.

I love Biyombo, I think he can play PF or C but the thought of pairing him at PF with a guy like Zeller or Noel is straight scary. He's going to be over-matched by a lot of centers simply because he's 6'9" even though he does have a ridiculous wing span, as a PF he would never have that problem though. He's already a sick shot-blocker and I think he can be Ibaka-good in that department and Ibaka is a PF.

You're crazy if you think 15 would be MKG season high unless he gets hurt or something. He scored 24 a few times at Kentucky and those were against good teams like Indiana and Louisville he did it against. He's a big-game player in my eyes and he's gonna be inconsistent next year just like he was this year. One night he may be draining everything and the next he might be cold as ice, he's gonna go through stretches like that but flashes. Flashes is what I want to see from a rookie and he's gonna have games where he goes 20+. I promise you that.

Who cares that T-Rob would be better day 1? We're not competing for the playoffs next year we're gonna be one of the 5 worst teams, hell I think we'll probably be THE worst again so just cause T-Rob is more of a day-1 player that makes no difference. MKG has a higher ceiling and much more room to grow and develop than T-Rob does. The "Robinson's floor is lower" argument is incredibly stupid honestly. That's the worst decision-making I could think of.

[dnbman]

The "Robinson's floor is lower" argument is incredibly stupid honestly. That's the worst decision-making I could think of.

Why do you say that? Drafting a guy is basically a gamble, and I think considering what the realistic outcome of a player's career is an important thing to consider.

[Potato]

Why do you say that? Drafting a guy is basically a gamble, and I think considering what the realistic outcome of a player's career is an important thing to consider.

Well if you draft him and he hits his total floor he's getting us no closer to a championship, that's in a broad sense but I guess you guys get it. I don't think MKG can totally flop either, at worst you have a very good wing defender who you can use in strategic situations, but that's a dumb reason to draft a player. MKG was arguably the second best player on the national championship team at 18 YEARS OLD. He has so much room to grow it's unreal and we saw plenty of flashes of brilliance from him last season.

[dnbman]

Well if you draft him and he hits his total floor he's getting us no closer to a championship, that's in a broad sense but I guess you guys get it. I don't think MKG can totally flop either, at worst you have a very good wing defender who you can use in strategic situations, but that's a dumb reason to draft a player. MKG was arguably the second best player on the national championship team at 18 YEARS OLD. He has so much room to grow it's unreal and we saw plenty of flashes of brilliance from him last season.

I like the guy, so I understand where you're coming from. However, it's reasonable to wonder what happens if he never develops much of a shooting touch. Or, do you go with Robinson who has similar upside but isn't as much of a risk?

Weighing potential possibilities is what you have to do when you decide on a player. Let's put it this way, Drummond could easily be the best player in the draft. However, people are looking at the likelihood of that happening and his reasonable floor and have determined that he's not worth a top 1 or 2 pick.

[Potato]

I like the guy, so I understand where you're coming from. However, it's reasonable to wonder what happens if he never develops much of a shooting touch. Or, do you go with Robinson who has similar upside but isn't as much of a risk?

Weighing potential possibilities is what you have to do when you decide on a player. Let's put it this way, Drummond could easily be the best player in the draft. However, people are looking at the likelihood of that happening and his reasonable floor and have determined that he's not worth a top 1 or 2 pick.

If he never develops a jump shot and flops, oh well, we missed on another pick. You are taking a risk no matter who you draft. What if he develops one of the most deadly jump shots in the league? Then you're looking at a superstar, so many what if's.... I don't think Robinson's ceiling is as high as MKG's... I think he's almost developed all his tools while MKG was one of the premier players in college basketball last season still very raw and unrefined. His potential is incredible while in T-Rob we have about a 17-11 guy which is good, but MKG can potentially be a 22-9 guy which is definitely better. Yes, I said it, MKG can go 22-9 in his prime. He wants it that bad. I like T-Rob too, if we don't go MKG that's who we need to take, heck, a few days ago I was on the T-Rob wagon. I change my opinion a lot especially when there is no clear-cut no. 2 guy.

[Pepperz]

Thor > MKG

Potential is such a subjective view. I feel that Thor has a higher potential than MKG. He's bigger, faster, stronger and has just as much of a drive/work ethic as MKG. Your only rebuttal is age and if you are hoping that mother nature kicks in so he grows a few more inches is crazy talk. People have compared MKG to Wallace while some people have compared Thor to Karl Malone.

[Mustachio]

If he never develops a jump shot and flops, oh well, we missed on another pick. You are taking a risk no matter who you draft. What if he develops one of the most deadly jump shots in the league? Then you're looking at a superstar, so many what if's.... I don't think Robinson's ceiling is as high as MKG's... I think he's almost developed all his tools while MKG was one of the premier players in college basketball last season still very raw and unrefined. His potential is incredible while in T-Rob we have about a 17-11 guy which is good, but MKG can potentially be a 22-9 guy which is definitely better. Yes, I said it, MKG can go 22-9 in his prime. He wants it that bad. I like T-Rob too, if we don't go MKG that's who we need to take, heck, a few days ago I was on the T-Rob wagon. I change my opinion a lot especially when there is no clear-cut no. 2 guy.

In what universe is MKG going to suddenly develop a deadly jump shot? I'm guessing its the same universe that Thomas Robinson develops a unicorn horn, cause it isn't the one we live in? If you want a potentially good SF, you can draft one later in this draft and get all the same potential that MKG has but without a hiccup shot. There is no one in the draft even close to Thomas Robinson at the PF position (available at #2). You picked draft picks based on value. T-rob is good value at #2, MKG just isn't.

Based on college performance, which is all we have to go on (not the imaginary "potential") I think its reasonable to expect 12/7 out MKG. 22/9 is laughable.