The Next Head Coach Thread (down to Shaw and Snyder)

[Chef]

Oh i basically agree that he didn't work here, and that he is kind of a douchebag...and he quit on us. And when he came out and said Davis will make his team a 50 win team regardless of where he lands, reminded me of when he coached here he would GUSH about other players and then just start and the floor and hem and haw when asked about our guys. Just saying that worst coach ever, is a bit much.

i guess i should have clarified that: worst coach with rep of his stature that i have ever seen. i thought we were getting gold and we got pyrite.

You are making my point for me. This discredits your desire for SVG or McMillan or any proven name that comes along for a gigantic price. You are basically saying that as long as you get lucky in the draft, it doesn't matter if the coach has won 156 world championships or starting his first gig... if the players are good and believe in the goal and respect the coach, then it doesn't matter who it is. Thats why I like Stephen to take over next year. He's got the respect of the players, knows his X's and O's, and understands where we are at and how much he is worth. I think thats a better idea to start with these young players, than to bring in a guy with a set system and a set ego to match.

Many here seem to think the Silas name is nepotism at its finest, but I actually see it as a hurdle. You have to work twice as hard to appear even semi confident when you have that high of expectations around you. I think we have a good potential coach right under our noses, and are at the right place and time to start with him.

no, i am not agreeing with that point. i think the thunder would be much better if scott brooks wasn't their coach. if they had a coach like pop or rivers they would be better. what i am saying is different coaches are needed at different points in a team's life. a young team needs a harder coach who is also a developer while a vet team needs a coach who is tough when they need it, not grating but a an excellent tactitian. i think svg would make a great coach for a young rebuilding team where ego's are in check. and the two players who have challenged svg are shaq and howard, (if, and please god make it so) we get davis, i don't see davis, kemba or biz having the ego of those two.

btw: watch this clip. absolutely crazy. howard is absolutely killing his "brand" which he is supposedly concerned with most

http://www.nba.com/magic/video/2012/...675/index.html

[Icky Thump]

Silas seems to have more credibility with players than SVG. I don't ever recall any players crediting SVG with developing them or helping them with skills, or giving him credit for anything else either. Everywhere he's been players have come out and mocked him and undermined him. That is not what we need here. I have nothing against him, in fact, I think he's an excellent coach as far as strategy as I mentioned above... But, I just don't think he'll ever succeed in this league, and that is more of a testament to the current mindset of players than anything he has or hasn't done as a coach.

THIS....

I don't know a whole lot about SVG. I'll take Chef's word that he is a good coach HOWEVER, what I do know is it seems he has a hard time getting a number of his players to respect him and in turn I don't think that allows him to be a great coach. Just going off of what I've seen. Seems like he must be very grating or something to have his players turn on him the way they have at times. That doesn't seem like it would work especially with young guys. Who knows though...

[BETCATS]

2006 heat champs, magic were runners up, suns were not far off on several occasions particularly the nash/horry body check suspensions.

this is a question. van gundy was not incharge of putting the pieces on the floor ie gm in any situation right? if not, can you blame him for utilizing the talent to its strength?

2006 heat champs were coached by Pat Riley, who had a different system and did a roster overhaul the summer before. Shaq and Wade both wanted him fired.

Compare the Magic with the Lakers and Celtics teams that beat them during their best runs in the playoffs. Both played lock down defense and a different type of offense. Van Gundy's model doesnt work. Plus besides Reggie Williams/DJ Augustin we don't have any 3 point shooters, and both of them are marginal at best.

And the Suns were always getting stopped by the Spurs. 'Close' doesn't mean much to me because it is over and the results are in. No rings.

[spectre]

I don't think Larry Brown was an excellent coach; what he is/was great at was teaching the game. When players buy in and let him mold them you get a team that goes from middling/below average in D to 1st in the league.

What more could you want when you're running young'ins like we are? "Playing the Right Way" isn't just some bullshit catch line.

Course there was all that other baggage like being too much a wannabe GM.

I want a coach who can develop the kids...and that IMO is the very most important thing our coach could do right now. I don't know who that is, but I definitely think Nate isn't the guy (Blazers' fans complain about him not playing guys to their strengths...his way or the highway). D'antoni is IMO a fluke coach. I still think defense wins championships and I don't think he'd take us far enough.

I hate the Silas' boys as it's well known.

I don't know that SVG could be a great developer of talent...but as was said he certainly molded ORL to a system that was smart and it works for the most part. To me that's more cred than any of those mentioned for what we need right now.

[SWedd523]

Stan Van Jeremy and BJ Mullens should get together and make a film adaptation of "7 Feet of Smooth"





On second thought, no they shouldn't

[Mustachio]

I don't think Larry Brown was an excellent coach; what he is/was great at was teaching the game. When players buy in and let him mold them you get a team that goes from middling/below average in D to 1st in the league.

What more could you want when you're running young'ins like we are? "Playing the Right Way" isn't just some bullshit catch line.

Course there was all that other baggage like being too much a wannabe GM.

I want a coach who can develop the kids...and that IMO is the very most important thing our coach could do right now. I don't know who that is, but I definitely think Nate isn't the guy (Blazers' fans complain about him not playing guys to their strengths...his way or the highway). D'antoni is IMO a fluke coach. I still think defense wins championships and I don't think he'd take us far enough.

I hate the Silas' boys as it's well known.

I don't know that SVG could be a great developer of talent...but as was said he certainly molded ORL to a system that was smart and it works for the most part. To me that's more cred than any of those mentioned for what we need right now.

So to recap, you hate every coach out there and want to do it yourself. haha kidding. But i still dont know exactly why you HATE the Silas boys.

[ziggy]

I've always thought that this guy would make someone an excellent head coach, but there is no way in THE HELL that Jordan would hire him... just no way.

[Chef]

2006 heat champs were coached by Pat Riley, who had a different system and did a roster overhaul the summer before. Shaq and Wade both wanted him fired.

that's curious because svg went 11-10 that year before wade and shaq quit on him and then riley finished 41-20. so obviously a complete overhaul of the roster 21 games into the season never happened. it is also curious that the exact same roster went 59-23 the year before and lost in the ECF in 7 to the defending champions while having the 5th best offense and 6th best defense in the league.

[adam187]

P.J. Carlesimo anyone? Just kidding.

SVG's system, whether you like it or not, is probably the only thing that kept LeBron's Cavs from getting a ring (ruining basketball in Cleveland) and ripped the hearts out of the Bobcats (ruining basketball in Charlotte). I think he's too honest and too big of a personality to bring in for the Bobcats right now. I'd rather have a more low key coach for the team.

So either bring in Phil Jackson (you can do it MJ!) or I'd like to let Stephen Silas run it for a bit. Worst case scenario is that he's not the right fit while we're rebuilding and we keep getting good draft picks and we make the jump with a new coach when we're ready to make the jump with the team as a whole.

[Twan's Kin]

Stan Van Gundy would be coveted by a lot of NBA teams and a lot NBA owners willing to pay the big bucks. He wouldn't want to coach the Bobcats anyway.