Lineup & Rotation

[gm in training]

Taylor is a 2nd round pick, you can't expect him to play that many minutes. Gordon will play twice as much as Jeff. You also forgot Reggie Williams.

i agree that taylor may not get more than 10 min a game .even if mkg comes out the game i think they will slide henderson to sf and gordon at the 2 for the 2nd unit.also sessions will likey be the starter , he wasn't goint to sign with a team unless he was guaranteed an starting spot

[gm in training]

Just finished watching the 1st summer league game and man I am pretty pumped. Granted it was against mostly scrubs. We are gonna need a deep bench to play that press every game. Outside of maybe 1 big I think we are fine on the wings.

PG: Kemba 30mpg / Sessions 18mpg

I am probably being overzealous here with Kemba's minutes with the pace and pressure we will run but I am hoping we can get 28-30 mpg out of him. Hate to say it but Dunlap needs to put a redlight on his outside shooting unless it is completely wide open and set. Kemba needs to focus on attacking the basket for easy points and easy buckets for teammates. Then look for mid range pull up jumpers. Sessions will be great off the bench imo.

SG: Hendo 27mpg / Gordon 16mpg / Taylor 5mpg

I am torn here. I actually think Taylor is a better option at SG but then we would have no depth at SF. For now though I would roll with Hendo starting. He needs to be more assertive on the offensive end though. Gordon will make for a nice offensive spark off the bench. Then sprinkle in some minutes for Taylor here.

SF: MKG 30mpg / Taylor 18mpg

Great SF rotation. They compliment each other nicely. Just gotta make sure MKG plays within himself and doesnt take to many 3's unless he can prove to shoot 35% or better. But I am sure he will play to his strengths and within the flow of the game.

PF: (free agent) 25mpg / Tyrus 23mpg

Hopefully we get a starting quality PF. Praying for Scola. Until Tyrus can prove himself I dont want him getting anymore than 23mpg.

c: Biz 25mpg / Mully 23mpg

Talk about polar opposites. They both need more minutes than this although I am not sure of their fitness level. Mully needs to ton it down about and look to find his shot within the flow of the offense. Biz just needs to focus on defense and rebounds and work on solidifying 1-2 go to post moves.


Gonna really have to wait till after the season starts to be able to really break down a rotation that is most optimal. This is just what I would roll with game 1.

hendo avg 33 min last year why would he go down to 27 min as a starter and sessions will avg way more minutes than that , i think you should switch sessions and walker around

[dnbman]

hendo avg 33 min last year why would he go down to 27 min as a starter and sessions will avg way more minutes than that , i think you should switch sessions and walker around

Dunlap called Walker "the head of the dog," so I think it's safe to say that Kemba will be starting as long as he continues to play well between now and November.

As for minutes, Hendo was playing with little competition last year. It's likely that Hendo both gets better and plays less minutes just because we have more talent and will be running more. It wouldn't be a knock on Hendo to play less this year. It's just a testament to our reasonable depth.

[gm in training]

Dunlap called Walker "the head of the dog," so I think it's safe to say that Kemba will be starting as long as he continues to play well between now and November.

As for minutes, Hendo was playing with little competition last year. It's likely that Hendo both gets better and plays less minutes just because we have more talent and will be running more. It wouldn't be a knock on Hendo to play less this year. It's just a testament to our reasonable depth.

27 min is 6th man minutes and this is hendo's 2nd full season as a starter and history has shown that players on the up rise gain minutes not the opposite

[dnbman]

27 min is 6th man minutes and this is hendo's 2nd full season as a starter and history has shown that players on the up rise gain minutes not the opposite

The number of minutes a guy plays is all relative to the team. In an 82 game season where our guys are playing a fast up-tempo style, you're not going to have many guys playing in the high 30s. As an example, Steve Nash was an MVP caliber player and only averaged 32 minutes for his career, maxing at 35 for two seasons. And he was the undisputed best player on the team that made the entire offense work.

There were only 50 guys in the league that averaged more than 33 minutes a game, about 1.66 players per team. The 100th man in the league in minutes was 20 mpg. Considering that there are 150 starters, playing 28 minutes or so is not a bad thing at all and certainly starters minutes.

There's no shame in playing less minutes, especially if you're very productive in those minutes and you plan on a team with depth.

[gm in training]

The number of minutes a guy plays is all relative to the team. In an 82 game season where our guys are playing a fast up-tempo style, you're not going to have many guys playing in the high 30s. As an example, Steve Nash was an MVP caliber player and only averaged 32 minutes for his career, maxing at 35 for two seasons. And he was the undisputed best player on the team that made the entire offense work.

There were only 50 guys in the league that averaged more than 33 minutes a game, about 1.66 players per team. The 100th man in the league in minutes was 20 mpg. Considering that there are 150 starters, playing 28 minutes or so is not a bad thing at all and certainly starters minutes.

There's no shame in playing less minutes, especially if you're very productive in those minutes and you plan on a team with depth.

i agree somewhat but hendo(24) is young and up coming , and nash was in his mid 30's. i dnt see how hendo getting good minutes is less reasonable than kemba's increase in minutes when we just acquired a starting quality point-guard and i dnt know if ya noticed but kemba's in the summer lg and usually the summer lg is to judge where the player game is at or what progress has been made. that shows me that the team isn't 100% sold on kemba(his summer lg game wasnt that good) . even the kings sat out isaiah thomas for the summer league because he's pegged as their starting point guard.

[dnbman]

i agree somewhat but hendo(24) is young and up coming , and nash was in his mid 30's. i dnt see how hendo getting good minutes is less reasonable than kemba's increase in minutes when we just acquired a starting quality point-guard and i dnt know if ya noticed but kemba's in the summer lg and usually the summer lg is to judge where the player game is at or what progress has been made. that shows me that the team isn't 100% sold on kemba(his summer lg game wasnt that good) . even the kings sat out isaiah thomas for the summer league because he's pegged as their starting point guard.

Age doesn't matter. At his peak Nash never played more than 35 minutes per game. Again, look at the rest of the NBA. Only 50 guys played more than 33 minutes. What does that tell you? Up and coming has a lot less to do with it than needs. We needed Hendo to play a lot more minutes last year. We don't need him to play as many minutes this year. Our highest paid player plays the same position. And we have other capable backups that will get time there. It's unreasonable to expect Hendo to play more, barring injuries, with Gordon and Reggie Williams around.

As for Kemba, I don't think who gets sent to summer league has much to do with it. Kyrie Irving is considered one of the best young point guards in the league and was on his summer team.

Again, the COACH referred to Kemba as the "head," presumably the thing that leads the body. If that's the case, I'd expect him to start over a journeyman point guard who is not clearly better than the sophomore. Kemba is a valuable piece of the Bobcats future that needs to play to get better. Sessions is a relatively inexpensive veteran with a two year contract that just adds stability.

[gm in training]

Age doesn't matter. At his peak Nash never played more than 35 minutes per game. Again, look at the rest of the NBA. Only 50 guys played more than 33 minutes. What does that tell you? Up and coming has a lot less to do with it than needs. We needed Hendo to play a lot more minutes last year. We don't need him to play as many minutes this year. Our highest paid player plays the same position. And we have other capable backups that will get time there. It's unreasonable to expect Hendo to play more, barring injuries, with Gordon and Reggie Williams around.

As for Kemba, I don't think who gets sent to summer league has much to do with it. Kyrie Irving is considered one of the best young point guards in the league and was on his summer team.

Again, the COACH referred to Kemba as the "head," presumably the thing that leads the body. If that's the case, I'd expect him to start over a journeyman point guard who is not clearly better than the sophomore. Kemba is a valuable piece of the Bobcats future that needs to play to get better. Sessions is a relatively inexpensive veteran with a two year contract that just adds stability.

do u mean the soph kyrie who was playing for the usa team ? also the teams best players usually leads the team in min or amongst the top .even though nash maxed out at 35min he didn't go nowhere near the 20's because his team may have not needed his services . well we all know that gerald isn't avg under 30 min because thats not even realistic .he averaged 24 min behind captain jack ? so why would he......?

[dnbman]

do u mean the soph kyrie who was playing for the usa team ?

No, not the fictional Kyrie Irving that is on the Olympic team. The guy in this article:
http://www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland-...-part-1.320494

LAS VEGAS: Byron Scott was anxious to see his new starting backcourt of Kyrie Irving and Dion Waiters during summer league games this week.

Note: Kyrie was playing a scrimmage team against team USA.

also the teams best players usually leads the team in min or amongst the top .even though nash maxed out at 35min he didn't go nowhere near the 20's because his team may have not needed his services . well we all know that gerald isn't avg under 30 min because thats not even realistic .he averaged 24 min behind captain jack ? so why would he......?

We're talking about smaller degrees here. I don't think Hendo is going to be playing 20 minutes a game, but mid to high 20s would certainly seem realistic considering he plays at our deepest position. Again, it wouldn't be a knock on him to play less minutes unless he was being evaluated by superficial analysts who hold minutes played in especially high regard.

[cltblkhscoach]

Ok, this is where we are right now overall:

PG: Kemba/Sessions
SG: Hendo/Gordon/Williams/Carroll
SF: MKG/Taylor/D.Brown
PF: Tyrus/Mullens
C: Biz/Haywood/Diop

We still have one roster spot left, and we know Higgins and DJ White are still remote possibilities. We know we want a Power Forward, and we have to decide by the end of the day whether or not to use the amnesty clause, with Diop being the only real candidate. If we have a real shot at Landry, we have to use the amnesty on Diop in order to get his salary under the cap. So today we should have some movement in some type of way hopefully.

Question is, who gets spot #15? Is it Higgins, DJ White, or someone else off the summer league roster? Or do we just leave it open and pick up another team's trash at the end of training camp? I wouldn't mind leaving it open honestly if we sign another power forward and amnesty Diop.