"Go for the Playoffs? Playoffs?!" or "Patience is a Virtue"

[Whiz Kid]

See, these quotes show that there is still a misunderstanding or miscomprehension of what is actually being debated.

Nobody is saying "just lose, baby," or "put in Diop, he's good for the lolz!!!" What we're trying to say is, we want to win really bad too, but there are certain steps to take that can maximize the winning culture. Trying to take shortcuts may work a small percentage of the time, but more often than not can cause a bigger setback than if you had stayed the course.

And the word "tank" is like the super catchphrase being thrown around to try to ignore or discredit someone's point. To clarify/simplify/explain the position of being patient:

1. Wanting to see our young guys develop through playing time does not = tanking
2. Wanting to preserve cap space for a future impact signing when we're ready does not = tanking
3. Not wanting to sign decent mid-tier free agents who would take away said playing time and/or cap space does not = tanking
4. Hoping to have a decade long run in the top 4 of the Eastern Conference, even if it takes 2-3 years of patient building to get there, does not = tanking
5. Not wanting to get caught in the mediocrity cycle of being just in/just out of the playoffs every year does not = tanking

As to this last point, Milwaukee, Houston, Philadelphia, Toronto, Utah are some teams that have been caught in this mediocre hamster wheel. Yes, its exciting to make a playoff run, but continuously getting knocked out of the playoffs in the first round or just barely missing it altogether starts to get old, and these teams don't appear to have the resources or positioning to break out of it. Then the next step is to blow the team up and start over from scratch.

Thats why Houston is acting desperately now, losing their top 2 point guards and bench depth to acquire extra draft picks, hoping to trade up to a top 5 pick. After failing in that endeavor, they were looking to trade just about their entire roster to get Dwight Howard for just 1 season. Jettisoning a few of their high priced players might have been a wiser move a couple seasons ago in order to have cap space and or higher draft picks to have an impact. Then maybe with exciting young talent, the Rockets would have been seen as a destination for an impact player.

This is probably the clearest it has been said. The people like me, who are saying that we shouldn't be worrying about the playoffs, are hoping for maximum rebuild. We are hoping to of course see improvement but we still want to be top 5 to gain another high draft pick in this process. You can't expect to contend overnight.

[gm in training]

k im a true sports fan and im very realistic . the idea of tanking multiple seasons isn't logical and not beneficial . there so many variables that can make tanking an horrible mistake.there is a huge difference from rebuilding and tanking. its like an old building that needs to be knocked down to rebuild a new one and everyone understands the process and why, tanking is the idea of letting the building become dilapidated with the inhabits unaware of the situation and are heavily effected. nothing good comes from losing except the consolation of a lottery pick because in retrospect managment got fired, you lost fan support,players are traded or cut,respect ,and most important millions of dollars.the only time teams actually tank is at the half-way mark when they notice their not making the playoffs ,and trade their best assets, but not from the jump.

now if we make the playoffs at 7-8,there is so much good that comes from that. as for the past 2 decades teams of late,evaluate and mold their team after playoff losses. especially in our case we have young players and they well only get better ,so if we made the playoffs with a majority young core,why isn't that positive news to feed off for next year. mutiple lotteries doesn't result in success or superstars for teams in this new era , also if a player leaves the team and become successful thats still is considered a bust for the originally team who drafted them but here's my case in point;

parentheses are draft bust or ok lottery picks not(all/superstars)

the clippers(d-miles,kandi-man,livingston,chris wilcox)got lucky with griffin and started to surround him with all-star talent(butler/paul via fa).

bulls(tyrus,t-chandlers,fizer,e-curry,jay-will)got lucky with rose ,drafted two good players in deng and noah ,and later signed boozer in the failed attempt to create a super team(wade/lebron)

cavs(diop,d-wagner,luke jackson,c-mihm)got lucky with lebron(he alone gave them 50 wins) but still are attempting to salvage franchise with kyrie.

grizzlies(mayo,xavier henry,drew gooden,a-daniels,stromile,b-reeves,thabeet,battier) traded for gasol and randolph to create a playoff team.gay is a good player but has been in recent trade rumors due to not fitting well with team.

kings(spencer hawes,j-thompson,tyreke game has degress in the last 3 years) still in a ditch

knicks(sweetney,frye,jordan hill,) they tried making super teams in past and present but failed

blazers(roy because his injury mad him a non-factor,odgen,martell webster)but they still have aldridge to build around

celtics (best draft picks where all there mid-round drafts picks,not to mention they went the big 3 route after countless years)created big 3 around pierce via sign and trade for a championship

thunder created big 3 and ibaka through great drafts and formed a championship contender

washington (kwame brown, jered jeffries,jarvis hayes) attempted their own big 3 with arenas,butler and jamison for short-lived success but at this moment are irrelavant

spurs created their big 3 through great drafting and making minors acquisitions throughout the years for their championships.

dallas(etan thomas,traded for devin harris) super lucked out with dirk for traylor trade. spent last 13 years building around dirk via trades and free agency ,and was a championship contender before winning title.

pacers(paul george only lottery in last decade) the pacers built their core team through the draft with mid selections and its funny because they stuck with their core unit for about 3 years and never tanked or started the rebuilding stage. they stuck with their draft picks till they made the playoffs,even though they made some additions like west and collison(both weren't as effective though)and became an eastern contender.

rockets(no lottery picks but they did trade gay for battier) drafted a few useless mid rounders and try to build around kevin martin but lets face it yao ming set them back like 10 years.

basically i dont have the patience to break every team down but the point is to tank or to think multiple lottery's equal success isn't really true only a few teams actually built contenders or championships through the lottery(thunder,spurs,and maybe pacers). there are maybe 10 superstars in the lg and some teams have more than one,and the nba has 30 teams so, in the past decade there has been maybe 10 superstars and ya want to tank the season going out on a limb?the teams who have made a few lottery picks in a row never capitalized of their picks . shabazz and noel isn't even guaranteed stars. xavier henry ,lance stephenson, mullens,auston rivers, jeremy tyler,josh shelby and etc lead each of their h.s. classes and wasn't even lottery or some didn't even make the 1st round so lets be realistic.

go for playoffs. and if your going to challenge my theories please give me some examples ,if you comment and don't then your point isn't proven or logical.

damn im good

[Whiz Kid]

k im a true sports fan and im very realistic . the idea of tanking multiple seasons isn't logical and not beneficial . there so many variables that can make tanking an horrible mistake.there is a huge difference from rebuilding and tanking. its like an old building that needs to be knocked down to rebuild a new one and everyone understands the process and why, tanking is the idea of letting the building become dilapidated with the inhabits unaware of the situation and are heavily effected. nothing good comes from losing except the consolation of a lottery pick because in retrospect managment got fired, you lost fan support,players are traded or cut,respect ,and most important millions of dollars.the only time teams actually tank is at the half-way mark when they notice their not making the playoffs ,and trade their best assets, but not from the jump.

now if we make the playoffs at 7-8,there is so much good that comes from that. as for the past 2 decades teams of late,evaluate and mold their team after playoff losses. especially in our case we have young players and they well only get better ,so if we made the playoffs with a majority young core,why isn't that positive news to feed off for next year. mutiple lotteries doesn't result in success or superstars for teams in this new era , also if a player leaves the team and become successful thats still is considered a bust for the originally team who drafted them but here's my case in point;

parentheses are draft bust or ok lottery picks not(all/superstars)

the clippers(d-miles,kandi-man,livingston,chris wilcox)got lucky with griffin and started to surround him with all-star talent(butler/paul via fa).

bulls(tyrus,t-chandlers,fizer,e-curry,jay-will)got lucky with rose ,drafted two good players in deng and noah ,and later signed boozer in the failed attempt to create a super team(wade/lebron)

cavs(diop,d-wagner,luke jackson,c-mihm)got lucky with lebron(he alone gave them 50 wins) but still are attempting to salvage franchise with kyrie.

grizzlies(mayo,xavier henry,drew gooden,a-daniels,stromile,b-reeves,thabeet,battier) traded for gasol and randolph to create a playoff team.gay is a good player but has been in recent trade rumors due to not fitting well with team.

kings(spencer hawes,j-thompson,tyreke game has degress in the last 3 years) still in a ditch

knicks(sweetney,frye,jordan hill,) they tried making super teams in past and present but failed

blazers(roy because his injury mad him a non-factor,odgen,martell webster)but they still have aldridge to build around

celtics (best draft picks where all there mid-round drafts picks,not to mention they went the big 3 route after countless years)created big 3 around pierce via sign and trade for a championship

thunder created big 3 and ibaka through great drafts and formed a championship contender

washington (kwame brown, jered jeffries,jarvis hayes) attempted their own big 3 with arenas,butler and jamison for short-lived success but at this moment are irrelavant

spurs created their big 3 through great drafting and making minors acquisitions throughout the years for their championships.

dallas(etan thomas,traded for devin harris) super lucked out with dirk for traylor trade. spent last 13 years building around dirk via trades and free agency ,and was a championship contender before winning title.

pacers(paul george only lottery in last decade) the pacers built their core team through the draft with mid selections and its funny because they stuck with their core unit for about 3 years and never tanked or started the rebuilding stage. they stuck with their draft picks till they made the playoffs,even though they made some additions like west and collison(both weren't as effective though)and became an eastern contender.

rockets(no lottery picks but they did trade gay for battier) drafted a few useless mid rounders and try to build around kevin martin but lets face it yao ming set them back like 10 years.

basically i dont have the patience to break every team down but the point is to tank or to think multiple lottery's equal success isn't really true only a few teams actually built contenders or championships through the lottery(thunder,spurs,and maybe pacers). the teams who have made a few lottery picks in a row never capitalized of their picks . shabazz and noel isn't even guaranteed stars. xavier henry ,lance stephenson, mullens,auston rivers, jeremy tyler,josh shelby and etc lead each of their h.s. classes and wasn't even lottery or some didn't even make the 1st round so lets be realistic.

go for playoffs. and if your going to challenge my theories please give me some examples ,if you comment and don't then your point isn't proven or logical.

damn im good

Realistically, we are still a bottom 5-8ish team in the NBA. That's why some here are already looking towards next years draft and next years free agency. We are a improved team from last year, that doesn't mean we are a playoff teams. We are a 20 win team, give or take a few either way.

[gm in training]

Realistically, we are still a bottom 5-8ish team in the NBA. That's why some here are already looking towards next years draft and next years free agency. We are a improved team from last year, that doesn't mean we are a playoff teams. We are a 20 win team, give or take a few either way.

thats not what people are posting. ppl are posting even if we make the playoffs its bad because we lose out on a potential great draft, which in sports isn't realistic

[Whiz Kid]

thats not what people are posting. ppl are posting even if we make the playoffs its bad because we lose out on a potential great draft, which in sports isn't realistic

Because at this point we need to be focusing on bringing in and developing talent. Not jumping the gun and already talking about the playoffs directly after we are technically the worse team in NBA History. Acquire, develop, and mold talent, then we can talk about contending.

[gm in training]

Because at this point we need to be focusing on bringing in and developing talent. Not jumping the gun and already talking about the playoffs directly after we are technically the worse team in NBA History. Acquire, develop, and mold talent, then we can talk about contending.

we have 4 lottery players in the past 4 years why does drafting more lottery picks make since when we haven't developed the one's we already have or shown any patience with .that was a HUGE contradiction on your part.

[Whiz Kid]

we have 4 lottery players in the past 3 years why does drafting more lottery picks make since when we haven't developed the one's we already have or shown any patience with .that was a HUGE contradiction on your part.

That's why i said "Acquire, DEVELOP, and mold talent."

Is there a problem with the first stage? Acquiring more young talent? Is that against the rules?

We just need to focus on those 3 things at this point: acquiring, developing, and molding talent. Once we get more and more pieces, we start going further and further from there,

[gm in training]

That's why i said "Acquire, DEVELOP, and mold talent."

Is there a problem with the first stage? Acquiring more young talent? Is that against the rules?

We just need to focus on those 3 things at this point: acquiring, developing, and molding talent. Once we get more and more pieces, we start going further and further from there,

lol you need to admit i made more sense because right now ur trying to prove a pointless point. what team successfully drafted 5 lottery picks out of 5 years ,this is to funny.trick question

[Whiz Kid]

lol you need to admit i mad more sense because right now ur trying to prove a pointless point. what team successfully drafted lottery picks 5 years in a row ,this is to funny.trick question

Your point is just stupid, honestly. Why would you be thinking about aiming for the playoffs after being the WORST team in NBA history. That's absurd. That's my point if you haven't noticed. If you see that "pointless point" then I there's nothing more I can say.

[Toocool]

lol you need to admit i mad more sense because right now ur trying to prove a pointless point. what team successfully drafted lottery picks 5 out of 5 years ,this is to funny.trick question

Probably no team has successfully drafted 5/5. But some teams have done a damn good job (Thunder comes to mind). However, we've seen from this draft that MKG and Taylor seem to be great picks. It'll take us another 2-3 years until we can really see how much impact they'll have, but from a visual standpoint both of them will at minimum be great defenders in the NBA.

A young team should always be aquiring assets and developing players. If you draft a better SG than the SG you drafted the year before, awesome. Trade out the last year's SG and play the better SG. It's all about continuing to get better.

Plus, the way Cho is going, I have the feeling if anyone could get 5/5 for drafting, it would be The Cho.