The 2012 Presidential Election Thread

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I realize that creating this thread is opening up a potential gigantic can of worms, but I'm curious to find out how long we here at BCP will be able to discuss Obama/Biden -vs- Romney/Ryan without the conversation devolving into name calling and personal attacks.

So here goes:
- What are your opinions on our presidential and vice presidential candidates?
- Do you feel particularly strongly about either side?
- Have the campaigns so far been too dirty?
- Has the injection of private money into the election process been a good thing or is it something that undermines the democratic process?

Discuss / Debate

[SWedd523]

[Chef]

i wouldn't vote for obama if he were running against my left shoe. i am not thrilled with romney but at this point i think he offers us the longest time until the eventual collapse of the country. i need the time to get my family positioned to try and ride it out and come out on the other side.

for all the conservative folks talking themselves into romney of the two candidates only one has enacted gun bans. hint: it is not obama.
for all the conservative folks thrilled with paul ryan: of all four men on the two tickets, all four were for the $17 trillion TARP program and bank handouts around the world.

to me the choice taking it in the ass with and without lube. romney offers lube. either way we are taking it in the ass.

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i wouldn't vote for obama if he were running against my left shoe. i am not thrilled with romney but at this point i think he offers us the longest time until the eventual collapse of the country. i need the time to get my family positioned to try and ride it out and come out on the other side.

for all the conservative folks talking themselves into romney of the two candidates only one has enacted gun bans. hint: it is not obama.
for all the conservative folks thrilled with paul ryan: of all four men on the two tickets, all four were for the $17 trillion TARP program and bank handouts around the world.

to me the choice taking it in the ass with and without lube. romney offers lube. either way we are taking it in the ass.

I'm curious, did you feel like this during the Bush years, or was it just since Obama took office?

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I'm curious, did you feel like this during the Bush years, or was it just since Obama took office?

not really but for good reason. bush's 1st term, i was 20-24 basically a know-it-all college moron. i was a liberal because that is what you are supposed to be. i started to actually pay attention for the '04 election and figured out that liberalism is moronic. it wasn't until the end of bush's 2nd term that i realized that republicans are basically big government clowns just for other things. i was against the bush stimulus and TARP. it wasn't until obama's rule that i realized just how dangerous and power hungry the government and financial apparatus is. the final straw was the supreme court's obamacare ruling. i am convinced we are screwed and the only way to regain our liberty is to take it back. and neither party is the answer.

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not really but for good reason. bush's 1st term, i was 20-24 basically a know-it-all college moron. i was a liberal because that is what you are supposed to be. i started to actually pay attention for the '04 election and figured out that liberalism is moronic. it wasn't until the end of bush's 2nd term that i realized that republicans are basically big government clowns just for other things. i was against the bush stimulus and TARP. it wasn't until obama's rule that i realized just how dangerous and power hungry the government and financial apparatus is. the final straw was the supreme court's obamacare ruling. i am convinced we are screwed and the only way to regain our liberty is to take it back. and neither party is the answer.

If neither the democrats nor the republicans are the answer, What is the answer?
And how do we take our liberty back?

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Kat,

Man oh man I wish I as a millionaire:-)

I would be out of this 9 to 5 job so fast it would make your head spin.

Back to the debate. There are people that love Obama and people that hate Obama. There are people that hate Romney, but I have yet to run into someone that loves him, his platform and what he is all about.

People that are voting for him seem to be doing so on the lesser of 2 evils theory.

Are there any big time Romney supporters here that prove this idea untrue?

[SWedd523]

I don't even think Republicans like him.


That's when you know it's bad

[spectre]

I'm going to stay the hell out of this for the most part, but one thing I have to comment on, and that's taxes on business in general.

When we increase taxes on oil companies (or any other business) who actually pays that increase? Does the gas prices stay the same and the company just absorb that increase out of their profit?

Exactly. That's why IMO there should be no such thing as a corporate tax...because all it amounts to is a "stealth" tax on US. Businesses do not pay taxes as the extra expense is passed right along to the consumer. When you're pulling for pols to stick it to them you're really asking them to stick it to you.

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I'm going to stay the hell out of this for the most part, but one thing I have to comment on, and that's taxes on business in general.

When we increase taxes on oil companies (or any other business) who actually pays that increase? Does the gas prices stay the same and the company just absorb that increase out of their profit?

Exactly. That's why IMO there should be no such thing as a corporate tax...because all it amounts to is a "stealth" tax on US. Businesses do not pay taxes as the extra expense is passed right along to the consumer. When you're pulling for pols to stick it to them you're really asking them to stick it to you.

Can't argue with that too much. Unfortunately, all we can do is either not buy a company's goods or hope they are good citizens. If you continue to buy their stuff, it doesn't matter what is put in place to make them pay.