Bobcats current future draft picks situation

[JohnnyTimmons]

Conversation in another thread got me thinking of different draft situations in the future.

Our future pick situation is looking like this.... http://www.prosportstransactions.com...re/Bobcats.htm

A couple things:
No new information here, but I would like to get some opinions on our situation.

What do we want Portland and Detroit to do? First thing that comes to mind is have them lose for a season or 2 so we don't receive their picks until we can get them in good draft position, and have them be as bad as possible once the exceptions are not as restricting.

When does the reward start paying off versus getting new talent soon? Is the absolute best case we don't get the picks until we can get them at the number one draft position? Is it maybe better to have them staggered so that we can get say Portland's in a couple years at like the 8th draft spot, and Detroits a year or two later a bit higher?

Would it be a huge let down to get 3 picks in next years draft, even if 2 are around 12-14?

Next year, is there any projections on who might be going at the 12-14 spot?

Drafting next year, assuming we are bottom of the pack again, is Shabazz the clear frontrunner on who a team should choose? How much of a drop off is Nerlins Noell? Is anyone else in the running at the top of the pack? Is the situation like A. Davis, then everyone else?

If we somehow get Shabazz Mohamad, does that make keeping Henderson less vital, and do you think he would stick around if we got such a player at his same position?

With Wiggins being a wing in 2014 that seems a clear number one choice, does that make us look at Zeller or Noel harder this coming draft? Is it dumb to plan like that, considering the likelyhood of getting both is very low? No matter what is Shabazz the clear winner next season? An A. Davis situation?

[spectre]

Rule #1: Always draft best player available.

Rule #2: Higher picks are better than lower picks

I think it really is that simple.

[DashGlobal]

Rule #1: Always draft best player available.

Rule #2: Higher picks are better than lower picks

I think it really is that simple.

Rule number one is just stupid.

You must take into account a teams personnel and also the talent gap between 2 players.

If you are picking 2nd and there isn't any talent gap between a wing player and a post player (ie you see them as both being ready to contribute at the same level with equal ceilings) and you just drafted your future big man the previous year high that played well than common sense tell you to pick the wing player.

[Woody]

I want both of the picks owed to us in the 2014 draft. That draft is loaded and will be headlined by Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Andrew/Aaron Harrison and it has the potential to be as good as '03(not saying it will be) but having 3 picks in the lottery(assuming we are bad enough to hold onto our own pick that we owe chi) then I think that is the ideal situation.

Even if we don't win the lottery to get Wiggins we can potentially package picks to move into the top 3 or we can pick up 3 solid HIGH picks that will go a long way in building this team into a contender.

As far as this year goes, the way it's looking Shabazz won't be eligibile until conference play if he is even cleared at all so we won't get to see too much of him.

The #1 pick will be either him or Nerlens, I think Nerlens will come on strong late in the College season. He has some of the quickest feet i've seen for a big man. Has extreme length, good defensive instincts, can work on his offense but it's not raw.

A sleeper top 5 pick that no one is talking about is Tony Mitchell, a 6'8 sf from North Texas, He won't fall out of the top 10. He's a freakish athlete, has a nba body already, his game screams Rudy Gay.

I think as far as the draft goes we continue with Cho's strategy- Draft for talent, trade for need

[SWedd523]

Rule number one is just stupid.

You must take into account a teams personnel and also the talent gap between 2 players.

Absolutely right. It is just stupid to draft the BPA. I mean, why would the Trail Blazers need to draft some guy named Michael Jordan when they already have Clyde Drexler on their team.

Would be a much better decision to go with the big guy out of Kentucky, they need the size more!






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[BrotherDave]

I want those picks to come in a deep draft. I guess 2014 is deeper than 2013 but you never really know until draft time (and even then hindsight is 20/20). I'd like those picks to come sooner than later though, we just need that much help/talent.

There will be some decent players to be had mid 1st round this year. Not a lot of wings, some decent guards and some decent bigs. What would really hurt is if a Gobert or Steven Adams slips and fall to where we would have the pick and they look legit. But there's Lorenzo Brown and CJ Leslie from State, Gorgui Dieng from Louisville, Rakeem Christmas from Cuse, Isaiah Austin from Baylor, Mason Plumlee, Jeff Withey, and a guy I really like in Patric Young.

A guy I'm particularly keen on in 2014 is Dario Saric.

[DashGlobal]

Absolutely right. It is just stupid to draft the BPA. I mean, why would the Trail Blazers need to draft some guy named Michael Jordan when they already have Clyde Drexler on their team.

Would be a much better decision to go with the big guy out of Kentucky, they need the size more!


oh wait

You act like everyone knew MJ would be the GOAT.

smh

[Gilly]

I guess we just have to wait and trust in Cho. I hope, and think, that Cho is the guy to bring this franchise to a contender.

[spectre]

You act like everyone knew MJ would be the GOAT.

smh

Um no, but Portland knew about Bowie's leg issues and Jordan was known as the much better talent. They had also recently gone thru Walton's injury issues yet they still insisted on "need".

Darko over Carmelo because Detroit already had Prince.

Oden over Durant. Portland was warned by doctors about Oden's different leg length and that he could be plagued by injuries but they took him anyway because of their need and "you can't teach size!". Oh, and another factor? Oden had a great personality!

I ran across another article trying to defend the Oden pick...get this little gem:

I don’t care what general managers say about picking the best player available instead of drafting for need; you don’t take players in consecutive years that are very similar. As we’ve seen with James and Dwyane Wade, the two can cannibalize each other’s production instead of complementing one another while also leaving a gaping hole in the front court.

[kitch0202]

The point I am making is if you feel like 2 players will be superstars.

And already have a superstar at the same position. You draft the other.

I don't think anyone has an issue with that statement. But you picked up spectre's comment about always drafting BPA and said:

Rule number one is just stupid.

You must take into account a teams personnel and also the talent gap between 2 players.

If there is a talent gap you draft the better player. Better players make better assets, both as options on the roster and in terms of trade value.

If you are picking 2nd and there isn't any talent gap between a wing player and a post player (ie you see them as both being ready to contribute at the same level with equal ceilings) and you just drafted your future big man the previous year high that played well than common sense tell you to pick the wing player.

That's absolutely right, but now you're changing the argument. You're now saying if there are two players of equal quality (therefore there is no BPA) you draft the one that suits your roster/ethos etc.

You can't argue against drafting BPA by citing a hypothetical situation where there is no BPA.

So put simply if player A is better than player B you draft player A. If player A & player B are equal prospects then you can draft for need (or, just to throw another thought into the mix, look to trade down one spot and collect further assets).