this^^^^^^^^Originally Posted by swedd523
We are all entitled to our own opinion and I respect yours ..but I have to disagree ..yes we do need a franchise type guy but the chances of us finding that are slim ..it's not any easy thing to do ..we can build a very good team that can contend for the East title without finding a Lebron James or a Dwight Howard or Kevin Durant ..those guys are nearly impossible to come by..there are 30 NBA teams and probably 10-12 guys of that caliber ..so the odds are not in our favor ..adding a guy like Milsap or Jefferson ( who are both still young @ 27 ) would fill a big weakness on our team and 1 of those guys with the roster we have now and next years draft could really make us a contender right away ..giving 1 of those guys 10-12 mill a year is alot of $$ but to me they are worth it ..and it wouldn't kill our cap either bc we have Gordon and his 12-13 mill coming off the books after next year ..so we would basically be replacing Gordon's contract with Milsap or Jefferson ..would be a great move !!
never said it was easy. but we would not contend for the east by adding milsap or jefferson and pick in the mid lotto. at best we would be a 3 or 4 seed and i have no interest in becoming the hawks.
Going from the worst team in NBA history to a 3-4 seed in the East in a matter of 2-3 years would be outstanding....and we wouldnt be the hawks..we would be the Bobcats..a totally different team built a different way ..we could add Jefferson and our draft pick and get us a 3-4 seed and maybe win a 1st round series then go into the season after that and use the 10-15 so million we will have to spend and use it to add the player that would get us over the hump...and by then we will prob have detroit or portlands 1st round pick ( giving us 2 first round picks ) ...
Im not going to ramble on about it but i just dont see how adding Jefferson or Milsap would be a bad thing..it would improve our team big time and with draft picks and a cpl other free agents we would be a damn good team...and getting a 3 seed isnt a bad thing...if we get in the dance and have home court for a series who knows what might happen....its not like we would be 12 games under 500 and getting a crappy 8 seed and getting swept in the 1st round
Are u with the crowd that wants to tank season after season until we land the 1st pick and maybe draft a superstar??....im just trying to understand what your plan would be to become a better team...feel free to share what you would like to do to improve our team during the offseason and over the next cpl years
And i didnt mean that in a sarcastic way and wasnt trying to be a jerk....was honestly wondering what your plan would be or what u want to do with our team since u think Jefferson and Milsap arent good moves
i agree with swedd on draft, etc. i never said tank. i just don't want to spend a ton of money to be a 3 seed just like the hawks (that is why i used that example). 2008 up and comer 8 seed gave boston are run in the first round, then 3 and 4 seeds for 4 years overpaying their whole team along the way. no thanks.
we are no where near a playoff team. i don't want to commit the money to milsap or jefferson that it will take to sign them. i am fine playing hard, losing to good teams beating bad teams and collecting high picks for the next couple of years.
think of this kemba, mkg, mullens and JT are all young 20's (late teens too). if they get it together in 3 years like you say, milsap or jefferson will be 30-31 and on the decline. right when we would be hitting our stride they would be up for another contract on declining abilities. not a good place to be.
i totally understand what u are saying...and i agree that we arent a playoff team ( although this team could surprise us ) but with the addition of Millsap or Jefferson along with whatever we can get for Diop and Williams's expiring deals and our draft pick we would definately be a playoff team...while i understand what u are saying about those 2 guys being 30-31 when we start being a contender...its also very possible that we are a contender in 2 or 3 years when those guys will be 29 -30 and still have good years left...i am just trying to figure out some ways to improve our roster after this season
I guess instead of signing 1 of those guys we could just trade Diop / Williams ( which is 11.5 million expiring ) for a solid player and a draft pick..or just a really good player or players..like we did with maggette..and build that way and thru the draft.....either way we look at it we have alot of flexibility with our expiring deals ( Diop and Williams = 11.5 million this year and Gordon = 13 million next year )...our salary cap space and our draft picks as well as Portland and Detroits picks....with all that flexibility and Cho as our GM i think the future is very bright....i have confidence that Cho will make the right moves and keeps this moving in the right direction
Either would be a nice piece for us, but I would settle for the cheaper one. If money was not an issue, I would lean towards Jefferson because he has the size and length to play the four or the five.
What other bigs are due for free agency?
In Cho I Trust
this is exactly what we should do. although i would add sessions, hendo and mullens to the trade list but i know many disagree. stay flexible. big money deal for long years destroys flexibility.
Carl Landry ( who we have went after before)
JJ Hickson (ditto)
Chris Kaman
Nikola Pekovic
David West
Antawn Jamison
Andray Blatche
Josh Smith
Byron Mullins
Tyler Hansbrough
Dwight Howard
Andrew Bowling Bynum
Maybe I'm missing some ...
After Dwight Howard, I would rank Al Jefferson as the 2nd best(considering Bynums knee and risk associated).
I would rather give Jefferson 14 mil per than give Mully the 8 or 9 per that he will likely get.
Last edited by JGib23; 11-22-2012 at 10:20 PM.
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