3.2.1. Boom! Kemba talk. (From BB thread)

[Chef]

Billups (2004)
Parker (2005)
Williams (2006)

i was responding to gamecocksmitty asking when they were brought into as examples. unfortunately, i had to write something for 10 char so i quoted the post and wrote the names mentioned.

btw: i apologize for the "i love this guy" post of bogg's post. i didn't see anything in there that was a "shots fired" type of thing but it seemed you took exception to some of it. just wanted you to know i wasn't trying to start a virtual fight. i just agreed with most of what he said and thought he put it in a very good way.

[BIGCatBobcat]

Ok, I was trying to get into the argument here while watching the game and coming out of halftime against the Warriors, Kemba buried 2 threes and attempted a third, followed his shot and Taylor couldn't handle the pass under the basket. It's as if Kemba was trying to silence this discussion. Back to my reading this whole thread because everyone is making good points.

[SWedd523]

Kemba can definitely fulfill a Tony Parker type of role.

All we have to do is draft a top 10 all-time post player and one of the best 6th men in history.

[spectre]

If your argument is that teams can be successful with a number of different types of point guards and lineups, tell that to the posters forcing Chris Paul comparisons.

I wasn't responding to you...notice that I quoted someone else in that post? You might be hanging onto those wanting to bring Chris Paul into the discussion but I've never debated that once.

I outlined what I most definitely wasn't saying, and you argued that I did in fact mean those things in part by saying that Kemba was better at some things than he was at others (which is true of literally every player to play the game). Also, are you really still hung up on the word "starter"? It's a meaningless designation. All that matters are total minutes played and who you have out on the floor to close out the fourth quarter.

Would you feel better if I said "If Charlotte were to have three high-level scorers, Kemba included in that three, they may be best served bringing one of those three, but not necessarily Kemba, off the bench to keep the offense from lapsing when substitutions start happening"?

Because Kemba isn't a finished product. You're projecting what he will ultimately be when I've been maintaining that we don't know how well he'll develop yet. You belittle his passing without recognizing the team around him nor did you answer when I asked if you've seen any improvement in his distribution. I have just in the time he's been with the Bobcats.

My "feelings" aside, that is more of a legitimate statement concerning the makeup of the team vs. deciding what one particular player will be during his 2nd year after 90 something games without a contending complement.

Maybe your crystal ball is better than most though.

btw: i apologize for the "i love this guy" post of bogg's post. i didn't see anything in there that was a "shots fired" type of thing but it seemed you took exception to some of it. just wanted you to know i wasn't trying to start a virtual fight. i just agreed with most of what he said and thought he put it in a very good way.

Accepted.

[Bogg]

Because Kemba isn't a finished product. You're projecting what he will ultimately be when I've been maintaining that we don't know how well he'll develop yet.

Using that logic, why bother projecting the career of any player in the NBA at all? Nobody here knows how anyone's going to develop. Three years ago Tyreke Evans put up the same rookie year Lebron James did, and Sacramento might let him walk this summer if he gets offered a big deal.

You belittle his passing without recognizing the team around him nor did you answer when I asked if you've seen any improvement in his distribution. I have just in the time he's been with the Bobcats.

I said that Kemba was a good passer and that I expect him to get better. I didn't "belittle" his passing by saying it needs to improve for him to be elite. You can only blame the team around him for so much, the Hornets were pretty miserable as a team Chris Paul's first year and were injury ravaged his second, but you could just see that he ran a team as well as anyone in the league. Kemba does a good enough job at it, but he's not at that level yet. There's nothing wrong with saying the best player on a lousy team needs to improve to be the best player on a really good team.

[spectre]

why bother projecting the career of any player in the NBA at all? Nobody here knows how anyone's going to develop. Three years ago Tyreke Evans put up the same rookie year Lebron James did, and Sacramento might let him walk this summer if he gets offered a big deal.

...and if you'd have projected Tyreke to be better than Lebron boy would you look foolish now!

Maybe there's hope for you yet.

I said that Kemba was a good passer and that I expect him to get better. I didn't "belittle" his passing by saying it needs to improve for him to be elite. You can only blame the team around him for so much, the Hornets were pretty miserable as a team Chris Paul's first year and were injury ravaged his second, but you could just see that he ran a team as well as anyone in the league. Kemba does a good enough job at it, but he's not at that level yet. There's nothing wrong with saying the best player on a lousy team needs to improve to be the best player on a really good team.

Just how many people brought up Chris Paul and compared Kemba to him again?

[Bogg]

...and if you'd have projected Tyreke to be better than Lebron boy would you look foolish now!

If you'd have projected Tyreke to be as good as people are projecting Kemba you'd look foolish now, too. Kemba doesn't have the character issues that Evans does, so I don't expect him to start regressing like Evans did, but projecting development isn't as simple as saying a guy's going to improve linearly until his mid-twenties, either.

Just how many people brought up Chris Paul and compared Kemba to him again?

I'm not stuck on Chris Paul, it's just a good example of a guy on a bad team who still owned the ball movement and flow of his team's offense. Rajon Rondo didn't start getting major minutes until the end of his rookie year, but even then (and that team was as bad or worse than this Charlotte squad after they shut down Pierce because he was "injured") you could tell he was inordinately good at conducting the offense, even if he was passing to Allan Ray and Ryan Gomes instead of multiple all-stars.

[tdbruton]

Kemba is scrappy and competitive which fits in to what they seem to be trying to build as a culture on this team. He lacks in size and length but makes up for that with his elite quickness, speed, and heart. He is at the worst a bright spot on the team and a piece worth being excited over. How good he can be remains to be seen

Will he be Chris Paul? No. Iverson? Nope. He can, however be an impact player on a successful team. Whether he starts or not depends on what happens in the future and what pickups we make

[spectre]

If you'd have projected Tyreke to be as good as people are projecting Kemba you'd look foolish now, too. Kemba doesn't have the character issues that Evans does, so I don't expect him to start regressing like Evans did, but projecting development isn't as simple as saying a guy's going to improve linearly until his mid-twenties, either.

Exactly! Finally you seem to get that projecting him as a future 6th man or anything else for that matter is pretty much bullshit...esp. with such a small sample size! Fact is you nor anyone else knows to what point he's going to develop to and nobody possibly could at this stage.

I'm not stuck on Chris Paul, it's just a good example of a guy on a bad team who still owned the ball movement and flow of his team's offense. Rajon Rondo didn't start getting major minutes until the end of his rookie year, but even then (and that team was as bad or worse than this Charlotte squad after they shut down Pierce because he was "injured") you could tell he was inordinately good at conducting the offense, even if he was passing to Allan Ray and Ryan Gomes instead of multiple all-stars.

Yeah right. One or two posters threw out Paul's name and you've projected (seeing a trend here) it onto everyone else. Almost everyone agrees Kemba isn't going to be a Chris Paul clone and only a few have thrown out that "elite" tag. That's ok though because plenty of different types of PGs have won the 'ship who weren't either...which is what our ultimate goal is after all.

[Bogg]

You still aren't grasping the difference between"sixth man" and "sixth man of the year", huh? You go ahead and tell me that it's insulting to Kemba to lump him in with Kevin McHale and Bill Walton and I'll stop.