Gun Control

[SWedd523]

You can make it illegal to sell person-to-person without the same background check being run that a brick-and-mortar merchant would have to go through. You can also make it much harder to illegally sell firearms to people by actually tracking where the guns go after they leave the store the first time, which is where periodic registration (and actual proof of possession) comes in. So long as it's legal to sell to some guy your friend knows without any legal oversight, there may as well be no regulation. It's why there's nowhere easier for criminals to get guns than this country. I mean, Mexico doesn't even control its own country and its criminals have to come here to arm themselves.

Can't blame them when they can get them so easily from the same dumbasses who want to take mine away.



They tried the "registration/tracking method" with those cartels. How'd it work out?

Doesn't necessarily have to preclude you from owning a gun, but maybe you shouldn't be able to carry outside the home/firing ranges. If you can't be trusted to not operate a car when drinking, you may not be able to be trusted not to fire a gun when drinking.

Moot point. BAC levels are much lower (if not absolutely zero) if you're in possession of a firearm. (could be wrong, but I seem to remember that being the case)

if you do it right

That's the key point. If you do anything (illegal) right, you won't be caught.

Were you required to make sure that person wasn't a violent criminal?

I already answered that question. And I gave you my opinion on the practice itself

There's around the same number of passenger vehicles in the United States, and they have to be registered. The sheer numbers there haven't overwhelmed the system.

They didn't attempt to register all ~270 million vehicles at the same time either. Besides, which is easier to hide?

Okay, one more time: It's more important to keep guns out of the hands of bad people than it is to get rid of any one type of gun or capacity magazine. That being said, your average corner boy can (and does) do more damage with 18 rounds than 7.

One more time for you as well. The average corner boy isn't going to stop using 18 rounders just because it's illegal. The law abiding citizen will.

Do you know what that creates? A situation where your corner boy has 18 rounds and I have 7. Please give me a logical reason why I should be at any disadvantage to said average corner boy?

That's......exactly what ergonomics means. The shape/weight/size of the gun makes it easier to use in a combat role. It isn't about the rounds

We're arguing different points. A pistol is infinitely easier to use in confined spaces, and with modern ammunition, a volley of 124gr 9mm jacketed hollow points are going to do enough damage to kill en masse. The numbers bear this out, yet we're going after ARs instead, because they're an easier target for the left.

Call bullshit on this if you want, I don't care, it's true: My girlfriend works in the emergency room of the hospital where they took victims from the Newtown shooting that were still alive when responders showed up and saw the bodies of the kids that didn't make it. The .223 is plenty damaging.

Again, arguing a different point. the .223 is the minimum hunting round in many states. As in, the least powerful round you can use. Many calibers deal far more damage (like the aforementioned 30-06).

The point is, they aren't targeting the actual rounds, they're targeting something based on LOOKS.

It's not about what criminals are allowed to do, it's about what they're capable of doing. And they're capable of easily purchasing firearms even though they're not allowed to. A significant portion of the restrictions this country currently has on buying and selling of firearms are theoretical laws that rely solely on the honor code for enforcement. So, the question becomes, how do you make it harder for criminals to do what they're already not supposed to?

You can't other than all out confiscation of every gun in the world


Even then, they'll find a different way to rape, maim, and kill. That's what criminals do. In fact, the ones who can't get their hands on guns use things like knives, bats, and hammers. Did you know more people are murdered with blunt objects than ARs? Where is the outcry for the banning of baseball bats unless you're an athlete or using them for sporting purposes?


What you (and many others) seem to not be understanding is that regulations like these do more harm to the good than the bad. I don't have the money, but if I did, I'd buy an AR. You know why? Because it's the most effective means of self-defense. I don't want to lose the ability to have that rifle or my access to standard capacity magazines in any of the guns I own because if I'm ever in a situation where my life is on the line versus that of a criminal, I want to have the overwhelming advantage.


And just to make a "duh" question. Seriously, how many of your common criminal has the ability to get their hands on an AR? The cheapest one you can find in most places is between $500 and $700. That's on the legitimate market.

These criminals are using things like pistols and shotguns (Go look at places like Chicago and DC). The politicians aren't clamoring for the registration or regulation of those guns. And you know why, too, because ARs are a much easier target through their lies and propaganda.


Also, I find it strange that you didn't address the comment of "regulation doesn't work". The AWB failed last time, so why are we going after them now?

Again, because they're an easier target.