Also, yes, the Bobcats (or any team for that matter) need one or more of the top talents in the league in order to be able to contend for championships. There's no way around that fact.
@ Bogg, discussing matters that could've had various outcomes with you is like manipulating a Rubik's cube, there's so many ways to flip it, turn it, and sway it, but at the end of the day there's only one result. It doesn't matter how, who, or what won the championship as long as they won. Players don't win championships, teams do.
and agreed with spectre several posts ago with this:I'm sure someone with poor reading comprehension is going to accuse me of doing a 180, but Kemba's just fine
It was about Isiah being a distributor and Duncan being better than Parker.All I was saying is that you can do it with either type of player, depending on how your team is built.
Where did I state that Parker's championship run into a Finals MVP was more valuable or equivalent to that of Magic's? I just stated that he achieved it.
Also, where did I state that Parker was better than Duncan? I just stated that he was the most valuable player in that particular Finals series & the hardware backs up my opinion.
Last but not least, where did I state that Isiah wasn't a distributor? I stated that he was a legit passing PG, but he was also a shoot-first PG that made himself the 1st scoring option on their championship teams despite having just as capable scorers on the roster in Adrian Dantley & Joe Dumars.
Last edited by fan_of_a_fan; 12-16-2012 at 06:34 PM.
Ok. Who was the last non-dime-dropping PG to win a championship without Kobe or LeBron. I'm telling you guys...you are what you are..you're a dime-dropper or you aren't..you can't make a QB RB combo like Tebow a QB..you can't make a Westbrook a Paul (and yes..tebow..**despite the disparity in talent** is a perfect analogy, combo dude with leadership who wanted to be pure QB).
Somebodysaid "there are only a few of those Rondo, Rubio, Paul type of Point Guards in the league".. there are also only a few teams in the league that make it past the first round of the playoffs...I would like us to be in that group.
Paul can make it to the conference finals without a top 3 player...Rondo won a championships without a top 3 player...Parker won without a top 3 player, Kidd won without a top 3 player...dime-droppers are like pocket QBs..you at least have a chance to win it all..scramble QBs (who distribute less) stumble before the prize. Not saying football is like basketball..but it's a coincidentally good analogy.
He will not be able to legitamately contest shots in a zone defense..combine a shooters space with Kemba's small stature..it's basically an automatic three.
I will concede the remarks about the leadership..my position is exclusive to a pure personel/skill set argument.
Last edited by Cort; 12-16-2012 at 06:48 PM.
don't know how to delete extra post..i'll just edit this message and insert this sentence
Last edited by Cort; 12-16-2012 at 07:04 PM.
@ Cort, Rondo may not have won with a top 3 player, but he won with the Big 3 of KG (former MVP), Pierce, & Ray Allen. Tony Parker won with a top 3 PF of all-time in Tim Duncan (former MVP). Jason Kidd won with a top 3 European player of all-time in Dirk Nowitzki (former MVP).
Then you go about trying to bash Westbrook as someone that you can't make a playoff run with, but he's made it farther than Paul ever has, albeit having Durant on his team, but he still was a major part of their success.
Where's the logic in your post?
Just because he could score does not make him a score first PG. Bill Simmons hates Isiah and has referred to him as the "best pure PG ever". Isiah was known as a player who would set his teammates up at the beginning of games and would take over only when necessary.
btw Boggs is killing this thread right now (in a good way broski)
Great PGs don't really win titles anymore.