cant help but notice, but........

[gm in training]

I just want to say, for all those who want to try to keep reasoning, it doesn't work. The gitter only responds to what he wants to, but when someone takes time to factually break down his arguments, he runs away.

I've attempted plenty of times to engage in a logical, factual back and forth, but whenever he's proven wrong, he moves on to the next item on his agenda.

I'm still waiting on the response to these:

http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/show...612#post226612

http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/show...951#post224951

So, I don't waste my time anymore. Sometimes I wonder if its Ziggy's secret account to try to get more discussion when the board starts to slow down. It seems to work.

you've never proved me wrong its just sometimes you will literally break one paragraph into 10 different segments and to get into that i'll know it will take all day.

as you can see have an answer for everything and im always open to a debate.

you stated odom didnt reach his potential when you forget he played his prime years as a laker sub posting almost all-star numbers. you also felt josh smith wasnt a superstar which i feel he's a top 10-15 player.i was debating with you but after a while i felt you where trolling me for the simple fact you was just comparing players at the same height and weight but the style wasnt similar. hakim warrick doesnt play defense ,dont run the transition and is a horrid rebounder(excluding this year), landry is a non-athletic offensive post player ,dnt hustle,run the transition and he doesnt offer rebounds or rotate . you even brought up the stats comparison and clearly showed tyrus was the more rounded player and covered all areas ( you forgot to add his steal avg which would definitely seperated him from your comparisons) but continued to try push ur point across.

another thing is i hate 36 per stats they are not factual , in real life thing are subject to change . i gave you a challenge to find players who avg around 25 and you came back with projections when i'm looking for facts.

[kitch0202]

im not admitting im wrong when im not .you stated i mentioned 27 min without being specific ,which seemed like i changed my arguement. i never tried to pull a fast one by adding starter; the fact is mkg is a starter , i dint think i had to add starter because i thought it was self explanatory because we where talking about mkg.

there is no percentage that qualifies the word barley . barley is a opinionated word, i could state" i only had 65 dollars , just barely had enough to pay the 70 dollar ticket ,im glade they let me slide", by the way thats alittle over 92% .

There are times in life when you simply have to chuckle and bow your head to a wonderfully constructed, all be it totally delusional and revisionist, counter argument. In all seriousness GIT, that is possibly the finest piece of linguistic chicanery in the name of avoiding contrition that I've ever read. If I was wearing a hat I would doff it you.

In other news I have now narrowed down GIT's identity ... either Carol Tavris or Elliot Aronson

[DY_nasty]

I don't think MKG will ever average 25 ppg - but we didn't draft him to be a scorer.

Also, I'm not sure if comparing him to any one other than Josh Smith at the moment really makes sense.

[QC Thundercats]

you will literally break one paragraph into 10 different segments and to get into that i'll know it will take all day.

Yes, I break posts down, as thats the absolute clearest way to address a particular point in a multiparagraph post. It makes things much easier to read and simpler to understand for me and others, especially when replying to 1,500 word blocks that ramble all over the place.

And it doesn't have to take all day to understand my simplified, factual posts. You can accept that someone else is right instead of trying out to figure out any way possible that they could be wrong in one extreme instance, and attack that inconsequential point.

as you can see have an answer for everything and im always open to a debate.

No, you're not open for debates. You just state your points as 100% factual, and whenever someone disagrees, you go through mental gymnastics to discredit them. And people actually concede things all the time in debates, as its acceptable to acknowledge that someone was actually right about something. We're not talking about presidential debates, but actual real person to person debates.

you've never proved me wrong

Oh I forgot, your arguments are infallible. Just because you don't like how someone refuted your point, it doesn't make it wrong.

Let me break it down slowly, and in many different segments. Your claim regarding Tyrus:

before 11-12 season, he was avg less than 25 min for his career while shooting about 46% , 10 points,6 rebs,1ast,1stl,and 1.5 blocks. im not sure if you know but thats amazing , i guarentee that you can't find a current player right now who avg under 25 min and put up numbers as good or better

Now, I in fact found not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, but 5 players who put up numbers as good. And I'm sure there are others I didn't have time to look up. Now suddenly, because you didn't like these facts being brought to the argument, you just dismissed the players and said it didn't count. You claim its because their styles aren't the same, but look above, your quote says you guarantee there is no current player with numbers as good or better, and thats it. You can't suddenly add variables after your claim, its very disingenuous.

You should have said, "I guarantee you can't find anyone who averages under 25 minutes, is tall and slender but doesn't play like a PF, can jump over 35 inches, and who's wife was arrested for assault." Then yeah, you would be absolutely 100% correct with that.

another thing is i hate 36 per stats they are not factual , in real life thing are subject to change . i gave you a challenge to find players who avg around 25 and you came back with projections when i'm looking for facts.

Whats funny is, you used per minute production in your claim for Tyrus being a superstar. And I quote:

his minutes compared to numbers are superstar like before the 11-12 season

Hmmm, this seems very much like per minute production to me. Because 10 points per game is not superstar like, it means you'd have to extrapolate his production over time. A superstar averages 25-30 points, Tyrus has 10 per 25, so to be a superstar, he'd have to average 62.5 to 75 minutes per game. See, you can't have it both ways and try to argue the other side when it doesn't fit your views. The fact is that per 36 minute stats are held in much higher regard by professionals, rather than some subjective "25 minutes only, otherwise it doesn't count" metric.

you even brought up the stats comparison and clearly showed tyrus was the more rounded player and covered all areas ( you forgot to add his steal avg which would definitely seperated him from your comparisons) but continued to try push ur point across.

Again, you were proven wrong and you continue to try to argue around it. For all to see:

Tyrus Thomas
14.8 pts; 9.4 rbds; 2.5 blks; 46%FG

Carl Landry
17.6 pts; 7.4 rbds; .7 blks; 54% FG

Leon Powe
16.1 pts; 9.9 rbds; .9 blks; 52% FG

J.J. Hickson
15.2 pts; 9.7 rbds; 1 blks; 49% FG

Hakim Warrick
16.9 pts; 7.2 rbds; .5 blks; 49% FG

Stromile Swift
15.3 pts; 8.4 rbds; 2.3 blks; 47% FG

So when everyone scores, rebounds, and shoots better than Tyrus, that makes Tyrus more well-rounded? Oh, but you say its steals that would definitely separate Tyrus from all the others. Really? Steals is the thing that pushes him over the top and suddenly makes him better than the others? So a GM (not in training) will sign player A who averages less points, rebounds, and shoots worse, but averages more steals than player B?

I mean, just say it, its ok - I was right, and you were wrong. You're not gonna die if you concede a point.

you stated odom didnt reach his potential when you forget he played his prime years as a laker sub posting almost all-star numbers. you also felt josh smith wasnt a superstar which i feel he's a top 10-15 player.

You completely missed the point why I brought them up, the comprehension error is not on my part. And Josh smith has never been a top 10-15 player.

Other things you were wrong about:

mully has the most diverse game i've seen from a 7 footer ,since shaq.

hendo will be a max guy.

These are callled self-checks in basketball. Nothing needs to be said.

i was debating with you but after a while i felt you where trolling me

Hold up...wait, wait....hold on..wait... I'm trolling you? Do you not read your own posts? And you are calling someone else a troll?? I'll just leave it like this, since you like numbers. I don't really care about post stats or anything, but people have thought your posts were useful 5.9% of the time (11 out of 186), while they thought mine were useful 68.8% of the time (166 out of 241). If you think I'm the troll out of those stats, than this kind of logic explains why you are disconnected from the same understanding as the rest of us.

Cheers!!

[SWedd523]

this thread has turned ugly. We need to hotten it up some

[isguros]

The time she spent with Justin Bieber hasn't done her any good, she looks like Eva Longoria on this picture.

[SWedd523]

The time she spent with Justin Bieber hasn't done her any good, she looks like Eva Longoria on this picture.

I don't mind her going lesbian for a little while

[ziggy]

So, I don't waste my time anymore. Sometimes I wonder if its Ziggy's secret account to try to get more discussion when the board starts to slow down. It seems to work.

It's not me, but that would be a hilarious idea

Maybe I should create an alternate account and post a "Diop is a top 5 center" thread

[gm in training]

Hmmm, this seems very much like per minute production to me. Because 10 points per game is not superstar like, it means you'd have to extrapolate his production over time. A superstar averages 25-30 points, Tyrus has 10 per 25, so to be a superstar, he'd have to average 62.5 to 75 minutes per game. See, you can't have it both ways and try to argue the other side when it doesn't fit your views. The fact is that per 36 minute stats are held in much higher regard by professionals, rather than some subjective "25 minutes only, otherwise it doesn't count" metric.



Again, you were proven wrong and you continue to try to argue around it. For all to see:

Tyrus Thomas
14.8 pts; 9.4 rbds; 2.5 blks; 46%FG

Carl Landry
17.6 pts; 7.4 rbds; .7 blks; 54% FG

Leon Powe
16.1 pts; 9.9 rbds; .9 blks; 52% FG

J.J. Hickson
15.2 pts; 9.7 rbds; 1 blks; 49% FG

Hakim Warrick
16.9 pts; 7.2 rbds; .5 blks; 49% FG

Stromile Swift
15.3 pts; 8.4 rbds; 2.3 blks; 47% FG

So when everyone scores, rebounds, and shoots better than Tyrus, that makes Tyrus more well-rounded? Oh, but you say its steals that would definitely separate Tyrus from all the others. Really? Steals is the thing that pushes him over the top and suddenly makes him better than the others? So a GM (not in training) will sign player A who averages less points, rebounds, and shoots worse, but averages more steals than player B?

I mean, just say it, its ok - I was right, and you were wrong. You're not gonna die if you concede a point.



You completely missed the point why I brought them up, the comprehension error is not on my part. And Josh smith has never been a top 10-15 player.

Other things you were wrong about:





These are callled self-checks in basketball. Nothing needs to be said.



Hold up...wait, wait....hold on..wait... I'm trolling you? Do you not read your own posts? And you are calling someone else a troll?? I'll just leave it like this, since you like numbers. I don't really care about post stats or anything, but people have thought your posts were useful 5.9% of the time (11 out of 186), while they thought mine were useful 68.8% of the time (166 out of 241). If you think I'm the troll out of those stats, than this kind of logic explains why you are disconnected from the same understanding as the rest of us.

Cheers!!

the players u where comparing where lacking in one area or another while tyrus clearly covered the majority of each facet. not only did the players you where comparing not only lack in some areas but they actual where horrid in the areas that they lacked in .

i was stating that tyrus production per 25 min was amazing ,and you took it upon yourself to bring in PROJECTED 36 per min which means not factual ,its not proof.so, if you felt that gave you the upper hand, then im able to state stephon marbury should be considered an hall of famer because of the projected rate marbury was posting numbers at before being damn near exiled from the nba .but, that wouldnt be considered reality ,so please dont try to use angles to make your point and when you tried to prove a point the players you used still didn't match tt production.

when i stated mully was one of the most diverse big men to play since shaq , i meant it. alot ppl dont realize how special/amazing shaq was; he had great court vision,transitional big(younger days),great defender,great post moves,very agile, and had respectable handle for an 7'1 325(younger days). mully runs the court like a sf,has like a 34 inch vert,has range ,soft hands,footwork, and can post at 7'0 275. mully is very talented , but i feel that he isn't being coached correctly(taking 5 three's a game?) , and im no coach by any means but we all can agree that mully is being misused talent .

hendo being a max guy ,ok i may have exaggerated that a little but i may be bias when it comes to hendo , because his game has really no weaknesses . i would love for him to have an all-star mentality but it seems he just settles . i feel he's a coach or system away from reaching his potential because like i always keep stating swingman who drive, run off screens,pull-up jumper,post moves,3 point shot,rebound,good defender,block shots and court vision (assist nmbrs have risen since he's been starting) are very rare . honestly max guy no , but 7-11 range yes, because based off what some of the players in the previous years been getting(batum,fields,charlie v,hibbert and etc...) im not too far fetched .


you bringing up odom not reaching his potential is something you cant even explain , i figured that you prematurely brought up his name or you may have thought he could of been lebron before lebron was lebron..but odom clearly was an elite talent on a superstar studded team who conceded to the bench because he was winning rings,getting paid,and lets face it he lived in hollywood. odom may even be considered to be hall of famer because odom's playoff production .

josh smith is clearly an 10-15 player but at this point its all opinion.

[Maal]

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