Mind if I multiquote again? Okay good...
And second, Tyrus' numbers are nice for 25 minutes, I'm not arguing that. But its not some incredible feat as you claim. These other players were similar in 25 minutes. I just used 36 because its more acceptable and tangible, but if you want 25 minutes, then their production was just the same in that time allotment as well. So that means, under both your metric and my metric, I was right. No twisting of facts, or any tortured reasoning - its plain and simple correct, nothing more to argue against.
Basketball IQ, offensive and defensive awareness are things that will hold Mully back. He's not a transcendent one of a kind big man that we just don't understand. If you can't apply potential and talent into actual production on the court, then was this talent really that good in the first place? Mully has to prove it on the court, consistently, first before you can make a claim like you have. I'm sorry, thats just how it is.
Stars have that drive to become great like what Jordan, Kobe, and Lebron have. I compared Odom to Tyrus because he has a nice toolset, but never realized his full potential to date, and may never reach it because of other variables. I don't understand why you can't see how that applies. Tyrus doesn't have the mentality to be a superstar. Thats my point. That is how analogies, metaphors, similes, comparisons work.
In fact, you just used an example of someone without the mentality to become a hall of famer, despite having the skills:
Last edited by QC Thundercats; 01-07-2013 at 12:14 AM.
your correct that i mentioned that nobody's per 25 was as equal ,so it shouldnt matter position or style...i'll give you that much . but, the players you mentioned still didnt post better numbers then tyrus and where never going to agree on that .
where not probably never going to agree that hendo is worth more than 7 mil (i'll accept 9) and tonites recent benching when hendo came off a game where he shot 6-11 and 3-4 from three ,isnt helping.
i still feel you haven't made your point with the odom scenario . i somewhat agree he didnt have the mentality to be an elite player that he could of been but its a catch 22 situation. if odom leaves to be the main guy or for more money then he's looked down upon as a typical selfish athlete but in this case he's looked as somebody who didnt maximize his potential so he may never be recognized as the elite player he was. the numbers he was putting up vs his min production was crazy as a laker . tyrus situation is a little different , you have to figure in he wasnt healthy , 5 different coaches ,and surrounding talent. tyrus posted better numbers with coaches w structure (larry brown,and vinny) , silas and dunlap ran/run some type of street ball, no discipline ball.
smith is one of those players who just never caught a break and being realized as elite talent. he doesnt need the accolades to prove how great he is ,but it would be nice to for the validation. rodman was an elite player that all his peers acknowledged but never made an all-game but made all defensive teams and rebound titles. it took deron williams like 5 years to make his first all-star game and he was already an elite pg before his first appearance .zach randolph been putting up all-star numbers since his portland days and his first nod was in 2010(9 years later).like i said , smith is one of them players who just got shafted every year .smith always stated that the hawks wasnt helping him get the recognition that he deserved. you could watch inside the nba,nba channel, espn and all the analyst were puzzled how somebody like smith keeps missing the all-star game . i can name all the players he got snubbed for each year.
2008 rasheed wallace(horrible),richard hamilton
2009 ray allen, jameer nelson,mo willaims
2011 ray allen,(maybe horford)
As much as I love Hendo, he'll never become the scorer I had hoped him to be.
Nor is he worth 7+ mil
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I know this thread is about dead to everyone else, but I just wanted to give my final thought:
First, your last post started to resemble a reasonable response/debate to the discussion. You started to concede that someone with a different opinion may actually have a good point and is right about something. There are a lot of sharp people here (though some only sharp as a pillow), so just because someone's point of view is different, you don't have to tell them they have to brush up on their knowledge, or say "next" like you won a point and are on to the next contender.
If you could just even say "agree to disagree" like you did here, then you won't get as much heat as you have when you normally post. I realize you may enjoy the process, but it gets annoying to read condescending posts that try to bait people. Don't be that guy.
As to our discussion:
06-07 26.2 minutes, 12.7 points, 5.1 rebounds, 52%, .5 blocks, .4 steals
07-08 23.4 minutes, 11.4 points, 4.7 rebounds, 50%, .5 blocks, .4 steals
11-12 24.4 minutes, 12.5 points, 5.2 rebounds, 50%, .3 blocks, .3 steals
12-13 25.2 minutes, 12.2 points, 6.5 rebounds, 53%, .5 blocks, .4 steals
10-11 28.2 minutes, 13.8 points, 8.7 rebounds, 46%, .7 blocks, .6 steals
09-10 21.7 minutes, 10.1 points, 6.1 rebounds, 44%, 1.5 blocks, .9 steals
10-11 21.0 minutes, 10.2 points, 5.5 rebounds, 47%, 1.6 blocks, .7 steals
So if adjusted by only a couple more minutes, the numbers are slightly better, but mostly similar, except on defense. You say this is an incredible difference, I say its pretty close, and not this amazing, superstar level feat. Plus those players aren't stars who are posting similar numbers as Tyrus. The true immediate stars never averaged only 20-25 minutes, so its hard to compare. Either way, agree to disagree.
I think I'm starting to understand your mentality now - tell me if I'm wrong. I think that your favorite kind of players are those that are superior athletes with pretty good skills, but aren't recognized by the public at large as stars. So you like to root for the underdog, and don't like to get on player bandwagons. This would explain why you value Hendo, Tyrus, Smith, etc. because they have shown flashes of being able to do things the stars do, but haven't received the recognition.
I may not agree with how you analyze their production, but I think I understand more now.