Bismack and his subtle improvement

[SJackson1]

I think we are building a core of players who will be our future stars in my opinion, with Kemba, MKG and Biyombo. We just need a go to scorer such as a Mclemore or a Bazz

[Wi11iWii]

I think we are building a core of players who will be our future stars in my opinion, with Kemba, MKG and Biyombo. We just need a go to scorer such as a Mclemore or a Bazz

I agree. Biyombo will never probably develop to be a great scorer but if he can get a mid range jumper and a few moves in the post he'll be a defensive stopper that isn't useless on offense. MKG just needs a shot and Kemba is well on his way. Who do you like as our scorer though. Mclemore or Bazz?

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

I agree. Biyombo will never probably develop to be a great scorer but if he can get a mid range jumper and a few moves in the post he'll be a defensive stopper that isn't useless on offense. MKG just needs a shot and Kemba is well on his way. Who do you like as our scorer though. Mclemore or Bazz?

i prefer Shabazz over Mclemore

[Wi11iWii]

i prefer Shabazz over Mclemore

At the beginning of the season that was my pick. That's who I thought would be the better player but just watching Bazz play he doesn't seem to impact the game unless he's scoring. He isn't a facilitator, he is a mediocre defender and an average rebounder. The assists may be because of the system he is in and he may very well have some james harden in his game but his defense is not good. Just seems like he is a one dimensional player although with his length and frame he should be able to up his rebound total in the NBA. He has big time potential but Mclemore is the safer pick.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

At the beginning of the season that was my pick. That's who I thought would be the better player but just watching Bazz play he doesn't seem to impact the game unless he's scoring. He isn't a facilitator, he is a mediocre defender and an average rebounder. The assists may be because of the system he is in and he may very well have some james harden in his game but his defense is not good. Just seems like he is a one dimensional player although with his length and frame he should be able to up his rebound total in the NBA. He has big time potential but Mclemore is the safer pick.

not sure about that because bazz can flat out score in many ways while mclemore is mainly just a spot up shooter...i think bazz is the safer pick and has more potential because of his offensive repertoire...his length and strength give him the potential to definately improve as a defender and if we're scared of him not being quick enough to guard 2s we could put MKG on the 2s for some stretches of the game...i feel like he has more star and go to guy potential than mclemore...plus the attitude towards the game one has that killer insticnt that do anything i need to do to win while the other guy is super passive and if his shot isn't falling early he'll disappear

[Wi11iWii]

not sure about that because bazz can flat out score in many ways while mclemore is mainly just a spot up shooter...i think bazz is the safer pick and has more potential because of his offensive repertoire...his length and strength give him the potential to definately improve as a defender and if we're scared of him not being quick enough to guard 2s we could put MKG on the 2s for some stretches of the game...i feel like he has more star and go to guy potential than mclemore...plus the attitude towards the game one has that killer insticnt that do anything i need to do to win while the other guy is super passive and if his shot isn't falling early he'll disappear

Well yeah he can score. His scoring ability is undeniable. But other than scoring what does he do? Thats my problem with him. He can't do anything but score. What happens when his shot doesn't fall? Mclemore has good length and insane athleticism and quickness and speed which will allow him to do many things. His biggest problem is his ball handling which he can easily improve which will help him in isolation situations. He's already a stud on defense averaging a block and a steal per game and he has decent court vision and rebounds just as well as Bazz. If his shot doesn't fall he still has great usefulness on defense and on the glass for someone his size. Mclemore is in a very organized and calculated system in Kansas so we don't really know if he can as it accounts for less than 10% of his offense. But he certainly has the tools to develop in all areas of the game. I see Bazz as more of a 3 at the NBA level. I don't think he'll ever be a more than good enough defender but he'll have a paul pierce like offensive game able to score from everywhere and his rebounding will get better as well. Mclemore just has the potential to be a stat sheet stuffer in all aspects of the game while Bazz will light up the scoreboard and secure rebounds. That's just my opinion from looking at them though and i'm no scout for talent.

[CatNation]

ballhandling doesn't "easily improve" once your in the league. if it did Henderson might have actually become decent enough to consider re-signing

[Wi11iWii]

Ball handling does easily improve if you've ever been a basketball player at any level you'd know that. It's not like speed that won't improve but so much. Ball handling can get much better and there are tons of ball handling camps players go to to learn the dribbling crosses and counters of the greats like AI, Marbury, and Crawford.

[CatfanD]

I believe BB is much closer to Wallace than those other comparisons. In this case, I think it's very legit. I could easily see him being a routine DPofY. BB is already one of the better shot blockers per minute in the league. He's quickly becoming a quality rebounder. The main reason why I brought the point up is that Wallace was a nobody before his significant rise in Detroit, suggesting that BB could also achieve such greatness with quality coaching. People are ready to cast him off when the guy has very little basketball experience compared to most pros.

I also think the Wallace comparisions are a high ceiling to reach. Ben was probably the second hardest worker ever to play in this league behind Rodman. The guy was a workout fiend. He wasn't just good for leading the league in blocks, he also was up there in steals too. He's only one of four players in NBA history to record 2,000 career blocks and 1,200 career steals. So I say all of that to say, you have to have more than good coaching to be what Ben Wallace was. The guy had a motor inside him that never stopped. I don't see that with Biz. I understand the part about not being great before Detroit, but Ben wasn't playing for the worst team in the league. He was playing behind Juwan Howard, Chris Webber and Rasheed Wallace. Orlando was on the verge of a playoff berth when he was playing for them and he was a contributor. There is a possiblity that Biz could become Ben someday, but it is very tiny.

[SJackson1]

he has got great talent on the defensive end and his numbers will imrprove season by season in rebounding and shot blocking, its just on the offensive end where we need him to score 8/12 PPG