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    Default *Joins the Fire Dunlap bandwagon*

    This is beyond pathetic...It's one thing to be untalented..but to be untalented and not give a fuck anymore is another. These dudes look like they have completely checked out...and as a fan I'm about to as well.....
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    The guy was hired to develop our young guys. Every player we have on our roster has regressed considerably since the season started. That enough evidence to fire him right there. Not even addressing his rotations if you want to call it that.

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    my guess is he he'll start out next year but won't even make it for 25 games

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    I don't know what he would have to do to get everybody on that bandwagon...but the "things could be worse" scapegoat is pretty in vogue in Bobcats nation. Bismak could be 100% no different than last year, or "undeveloped," and Coach D's players could be the most apathetic group on the floor since...the Bobcats...of last year that is. But they arn't, both aspects of the team are considerably better, and by that logic alone, Coach D has done good things: but that logic alone isn't how most NBA coache are judged and it isnt ample evidence of competence. Doing so (measuring success by comparison to last year) would be the logical fallacy of anchoring. Some times you can be D+ and be considered much better than an F.
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    Not sure what games you have been watching but the ones I have been watching don't scream developing young talent and our players got better throughout last season even though we lost a lot. This year our players have gotten worse. We run no plays. We play no defense. Mkg is rendered obsolete on offense. No clear out or post ups for him. When we finally do post him up or clear out for him we have a big over by him so that the defense can sag off of the big and take the lane away from mkg. This team is worse coached than last years team

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    I'm not here to argue this point because I know a lot of people on this board watch the games a lot closer than I do. For all I know, you may have seen real coaching decisions in the game that are alarming and indefensible.

    But from following the team, it seems clear that Dunlap was given instructions to develop a very specific group of very young players and not to necessarily win every game possible. Clearly the front office places much more value in giving Biyombo time to develop than in winning 4 extra game this year. And doesn't that kind of explain a lot of issues with rotation - he's under instruction to play Walker, MKG, Biyombo and Taylor whether they give them the best chance to win a specific game or not.

    A couple of points about the regression of players. It seems indisputable that Walker is playing far better under Dunlap than he did under Silas. You can say that he might have been better at the start of the season, but hey, Dunlap ran the camp that got him ready for that start. I think Biyombo has played better under Dunlap. As far as the rookies go, Taylor has performed well for a 2nd rounder and MKG has kind of been exactly what scouts expected both pro and con. One could argue that he has shown regression in the 2nd half of the season, but one could also argue that he's simply hit the rookie wall. I don't know which is accurate.

    Things do seem to be getting away from the team in the last couple of weeks with these blowouts. However, it seems that this would be almost inevitable given Dunlap's instructions for this year. When you're told to develop the first and second year players (none of which are franchise caliber guys) at this expense of winning, you're going to wind up with a pretty sorry record 3/4 of the way through the season. And at that point, it's pretty hard to expect the veterans not to have a letdown. And then you're relying on rookies and 2nd year guys who are probably not used to an 82 game grind. It seems like this was more likely than not to happen.

    Again, I have to defer to the people who are watching night in and out whether or not the 4 young players are showing improvement, but that really is all that matters as far as judging Dunlap. The team is basically designed to lose the most games in the league. I don't think even a coach as great as Rick Carlisle would have this team over 20 wins at this point in the season. Remember, Kevin Durant won 20 and 22 games his first two years in the league, many by blowout, and this team has no one even in the vicinity of his talent.

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    Sure why not

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    Grab a bag if popcorn, root for the Heat or whoever they're playing, watch Parker and Wiggins and envision them in Bobcat pipe dreams...its bound to enhance any Bobcat fan's NBA experience. ...personal testimony
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    So say Dunlap is canned. Who replaces him after its clear the Bobcats coaching job is a revolving door? I highly, highly, highly doubt anyone worth anything at all would want the job knowing how tenuous their job security would likely be. I'm no fan of these big losses either, and I know in many situations the coach is changed out because its easier to change out one coach than it is several players, but I think is is a situation where the players are going to get changed out before the coach. We're in the process of building a team and I think we'll be weeding out those who don't give enough effort and replacing them with those that do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottley Crue View Post
    So say Dunlap is canned. Who replaces him after its clear the Bobcats coaching job is a revolving door? I highly, highly, highly doubt anyone worth anything at all would want the job knowing how tenuous their job security would likely be. I'm no fan of these big losses either, and I know in many situations the coach is changed out because its easier to change out one coach than it is several players, but I think is is a situation where the players are going to get changed out before the coach. We're in the process of building a team and I think we'll be weeding out those who don't give enough effort and replacing them with those that do.
    Definitely frustration in the repeated "highly" 3 times. A potential head coach with an actual head coaching resume (not interim) at least makes the hire justifiable in the case of the same 2012/13 futility. If your going to make a coaching blunder which can only be evident in a 2 or 3 year span (which would be a disastrous wasted 3 years); justify it.
    Mike Brown could be God awful...but I do have a sample size to accurately attribute the futility to talent...I know how much of coach is to blame since I've seen him with teams of various talent levels.

    I don't even think having a full season of collegiate coaching is asking too much.
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