gm in potty training (03-20-2013)
Am I reading this post wrong, or are you suggesting that you would not be willing to give McRoberts a contract because "he's been given away," so that the Bobcats can maintain flexibility to pick up guys who are being given away?
Isn't the entire above post basically one long, hypocritical, contradiction of yourself?
gm in potty training (03-20-2013)
Okay....so....let's do this in bits and pieces.....
I never said I wouldn't be willing to keep Josh around - he's a decent enough backup. However, I'm not willing to give him a contract that pays him nearly eight figures when there are cheaper alternatives later in the market - Reggie Evans is making around $1.6 million and is giving Brooklyn over 11 rebounds a night as a starter.
You know why players like Evans get $1,6mil? Because he's on a winning team. He's willing to give up a part of his salary just to help them maintain a winning record. That's not the case in Charlotte; we're paying $5mil/yr for Sessions while the Lakers are paying Jamison $1,3mil.
Also, McBob is putting up some decent numbers while wearing a Bobcats uniform. He's averaging just under 8 points and 6 boards a game. We can't assume he'll be playing for us next year for, lets say, $2mil if he can get the same contract from a team that doesn't lose as much as we do. Just like we did with Sessions we have to lure him in with a bit of green paper.
Another solid game by McRoberts. Love this guy
Another double double. Mullens looking pretty expendable, but wouldn't hate keeping both if the money was right.
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Ho hum, just another daily double-double. And Mullens was cooking too.
lakers is a bad point to prove because jamison cant even get consistent min most days but he would be an asset for most teams , the magic have like 5-6 pf/c in there roation not to mention 4 of them are prospects . its all about coach,style of play, and position depth that determines mins .
also would u say that courtney lee , sessions, jordan crawford ,jarret jack are scrubs because they also are journey man at young ages ? its all about opportunity and taken advantage of it.
new jersey didnt get reggie evans for a bargain he was a steal . if reggie came off year 11-12 avg numbers he's avg this year ,we would all agree he wouldnt be playing for 1 mil .
Last edited by gm in potty training; 03-20-2013 at 10:16 PM.
You inserted a classic straw man here. Nobody is suggesting that he needs to be paid like a starter, or that he should be the starter long term for the Bobcats, or any other team in the NBA, let alone the playoff teams. If you want to have that debate with yourself, go ahead, because you won't get anyone else in this thread to take the other side. Just for shits and giggles, I'll take your side of this imaginary debate you wish to have, and do a little research for you.
Eastern Playoff Teams and what their starting power forward is currently being paid:
Miami - Chris Bosh $19.1 million
Indiana - David West $10.0 million
New York - Carmelo Anthony $19.4 million
Brooklyn - Reggie Evans $1.6 million
Atlanta - Josh Smith $13.2 million
Chicago - Carlos Boozer $15.0 million
Boston - Brandon Bass $6.0 million
Milwaukee - Ersan Ilyasova $7.9 million
Now for the Western Playoff Teams:
San Antonio - Tim Duncan $9.6 million
Oklahoma City - Serge Ibaka $2.3 million (jumps to $12.4 million for next 4 years)
Memphis - Zach Randolph $16.5 million
LA Clippers - Blake Griffin $7.2 million (jumps to an average of $15.7 million over the next 5 years)
Denver - Kenneth Faried $1.3 million (rookie contract)
Golden State - David Lee $12.7 million
Houston - Donatas Montejunas $1.3 million (rookie contract)
LA Lakers - Pau Gasol $19.0 million
Do you see why this argument that "there's not a single playoff team he could start for right now," is an incredibly stupid argument? With the exception of 2 guys on their rookie contracts, and Reggie Evans (who you used as an example like there are many guys out there like him) nearly every starting power forward on current playoff teams make double digits annually.
The biggest number I've seen thrown around for Josh here, has been $3-4 million per year. You are right, he can't start for playoff teams at that number, and he shouldn't because it's basically a third of the average going rate for someone who does.
I knew I never should have compared him to Magic Johnson in the first place. I figured it would get taken out of context. Oh wait, that never, ever happened. What's that? Could it be another straw man?
Tell me, what happened at the deadline? Why did the Bobcats trade for him? The only thing that makes sense, in my mind, was that the trade was simply a matter of Charlotte's front office wanting to get a closer look at McRoberts, and essentially giving him an extended 2 month trial run. That is the only justifiable reason for the Bobcats to make the trade, and he seems to be doing fairly well in that trial.
What franchise player do you think Charlotte is signing this summer? What franchise player do you think Charlotte is signing ever? Small market teams do not build through free agency. When they do, they end up paying guys like Ben Gordon, Tyrus Thomas, Desagna Diop almost 50% of their total salary cap.
You can say I'm overrating McRoberts all you want, but the truth of the matter is, you are way, way overrating cap space and flexibility for the Bobcats. I'd rather go full soccer mom, than full retard like the direction you seem to be headed. You never go full retard.
Great post. The only thing I think you missed on was Bogg's point about the deadline. I'm pretty sure he was referencing Cleveland's trade where they got young talent for basically nothing with just raw capspace. I agree that we do need to be in that type of position where we can facilitate such trades...but I don't think giving McBob a slightly overpaid deal on just a couple of years would hinder that.
Other points...totally agreed.
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