gm in training prospects ....

[QC Thundercats]

g-mitty...

So I know you watch a lot of games, and I'm sure you'll continue to post here regularly, which is fine. But the reason you get a lot of flak isn't because you have a different opinion. Everyone here has different opinions and its fun to debate. The issue is you state yours so authoritatively, and post like you are absolutely right and nobody else can be. This is what annoys many posters.

When you say things like

please have an valid opinion before you post

your probably one of them fans who only watch the heat,thunder,lakers, and knicks ,so you wouldn't know who half of the players i named are.

it comes across as very arrogant and condescending, and people don't respect being talked down to. You know people will have a difference of opinion with yours, so let them state it without you having to attack their knowledge. Just respond with your stats, not these little quips.

One more thing:

well hendo did it again . i knew everyone thought i was trolling in the beginning of the year but i truly thought it was obvious that he was a very skilled player . i've been saying all year that i felt he was one the best sg in this lg for the simple fact he does everything

i have had some misses of course but for the majority of my sports life i've been on point with calling out players. out of 10 fanasty lg's i've been in, i've won 6 and they were all prize lgs through cbs sports.

This isn't a competition on who knows the most about the NBA. If any of us had enough knowledge, we'd be making a living on our understanding of the game. So if you're right about something, then you're right, no need to go back and say "see, look at me, I'm right, see how right I was." There's no point, and it makes it seem like you're begging for validation while maintaining that condescending tone. Let your comments stand as is.

Now, as to your list of "sleepers". For one, you can't say good starter or all star level, theres a huge disparity there. Pick one, do you mean actual all-star, or just a starter? Otherwise it leaves things wide open to too much argument. All-stars are go to players, good starters are often role players who fill a position solidly. Your list doesn't have any all-stars, but maybe a fringe one.

10.wesley johnson-good shooter, bad handle,and not a scorer.he plays out of position; in college he was more of an shawn marion player but i dont understand why he's been stuck at sg his whole nba career.

If I recall correctly, Wes was a PF only because Cuse's best players were small, and he played the 4 by default. At 205 pounds, there is no way he can bang with 260+ pound forwards in the NBA, he'd be broken down in a week.

But to me, he seems more like a Francisco Garcia like player. Garcia averaged 12-13 points his 3rd and 4th year, but these guys are just good shooters who are weak, and will end up as journeyman role players. I don't think he's skilled enough or has the mentality to be any more than a nice shooter off the bench.

9. terrance williams- he's been giving the shaft so hard. not a good shooter but he can do everything great. iggy clone. i remember when he was sent to the d-league he damn near tore the lg apart wit crazy numbers . dont understand why he havent been giving a starting chance?maybe damage goods by now?

Terrance is multiskilled, but remember our debate about Tyrus? It doesn't matter how versatile or skilled someone is, when their mentality is so off, it will always hold them back. So unless T-Will ever gets his head on straight, he will never develop into a star, let alone a regular rotation player on a contender.

8. jeremy evans- could be an 3-4 blocks per game player . have you seen him play? he plays like tyrus when he was with bulls .

The jury's still out on Evans - he's very athletic and could be a good shot blocker. But he doesn't even have Tyrus' skill level. As a college senior, he barely averaged 10 points. He just will never be a scorer, and he's too weak at 195, so he will never be a star, and I feel he'll probably end up more like Ryan Hollins, a nice fill in big for defense.

7.hasheem thabeet- he's plays like he's 7-3 ,good shot blocker and nice rebounder . could compete night in and night out with the majority of the nba centers but is very foul prone .

Could he become a starter, sure. An all-star - never. If he realizes his full potential, maybe he could be like Mark Eaton - a huge presence on the inside, blocking shots and getting rebounds. But he too will never be a go to scorer, just a support player.

6.trevor booker- is an 6-7/6-8 monster . stout but athletic and a great rebounder.

I like Booker, he's incredibly athletic and underrated by many. But he is who he is. There isn't going to be a break out for him. He can jump, but he isn't a dynamic scorer, just off putbacks and jumpers. He doesn't pass well or create for others, he's just a solid, athletic energy guy who will dunk on you (just not on Hendo).

5.brendan wright- he puts in work in the paint , very mobile big wit nice scoring touch , and moves like a sg(6'10 210) but plays big.

He's another one of those players who is a "fit-in" kind of guy. He's never been a dynamic go to scorer, either in college or pro, and doesn't have the takeover aggressive mentality. He has a nice hook shot, is long and can get blocks and rebounds. He can be a starter, but he'll never be an all-star, as he's not aggressive enough to be dominant.

4.wayne elington- could be 20 point scorer, in a ray allen mold.

Weezy has played well in Cleveland, but I don't think he has a high trajectory. He's a good shooter, but he's just average to decent athletically. NBA stars that play on the wing are insanely athletic for the most part, and will limit him, especially as he comes in at the smaller end. Don't forget, Ray Allen was incredibly quick and very athletic during his prime. Wayne Ellington's athleticism is what Ray Allen's is now as an old man.

3.mareese speights- crazy smooth around the rim and has range. good rebounder and play like a big man .

I actually like Speights too, and was hoping we could get him. His per 36 stats are pretty good, although his shooting % is low. I don't see him being a 20-10 guy, but he's a hard worker and seems aggressive, let's see how he develops

2b.matt barnes

I'm sorry to break it to you, but no, never (never ever ever). He is the prototype for solid 7th man off the bench. He's tall, athletic, can hit an open 3, and tough. And thats it. Can't create his own shot at a high level, or for others, and he's a little bit of a knucklehead. He isn't outstanding in any area to ever break out. Just a nice utility player who can be replicated by many young, hungry, rangy athletes coming into the league.

2a. javale mcgee - he's a bone head . i've always liked javale except when he thinks he's a pg . i know he's getting paid like a all-star too but he's having almost an all-star year by mins vs prod. javale can play 18 min and put up 13 pts 8 reb and 3 blks and he's done that alot . he just needed a strong coach .

Now Javale actually has talent, and is incredibly long and athletic. But unfortunately, he may have the lowest bball IQ in the league as well. There's a reason he's not getting minutes. Karl likes Javale, but if he hurts you more with his lack of IQ, then you can't justify more time. And he seems kinda Bubba Gump slow, so I don't know if he'll ever get smarter. But theres a chance he'll get more instinctive.

1.wilson chandler- hes a forgotten player to alot and u may say that this isn't a reach but i listed him in my "who's ur ideal sg" thread . i was the only person to mention him and that thread was like 4-5 months ago.

Probably the best player on the list, and I was hoping to sign him last year when he got back from China. He is a good starter, but he's not going to make an all-star team. Just too much competition at the 3, and he'll need to average over 20 to make it, which I don't think is in his game or his mentality.

So Javale is the only potential all-star, but wouldn't ever be considered a go-to star. Chandler and Speights are solid starters, with Wayne and Thabeet being starters on the right team. Everyone else are role players, and I don't think any will break out into becoming an all-star.

[jmanvelocity]

"your probably one of them fans who only watch the heat,thunder,lakers, and knicks ,so you wouldn't know who half of the players i named are".
- Gm in training

think before you speak because i have stated before:

Section 114 row q seats 7-8 im there every game so pay me a visit

[gm in training]

"your probably one of them fans who only watch the heat,thunder,lakers, and knicks ,so you wouldn't know who half of the players i named are".
- Gm in training

think before you speak because i have stated before:

Section 114 row q seats 7-8 im there every game so pay me a visit

my bad ... your right i meant your probably one of them fans who only watch the heat, thunder,lakers, knicks, and BOBCATS. lol

[gm in training]

g-mitty...

So I know you watch a lot of games, and I'm sure you'll continue to post here regularly, which is fine. But the reason you get a lot of flak isn't because you have a different opinion. Everyone here has different opinions and its fun to debate. The issue is you state yours so authoritatively, and post like you are absolutely right and nobody else can be. This is what annoys many posters.

When you say things like


it comes across as very arrogant and condescending, and people don't respect being talked down to. You know people will have a difference of opinion with yours, so let them state it without you having to attack their knowledge. Just respond with your stats, not these little quips.

perfect example : lmanvelocity stated that he dislike my threads because he feels i try to be TO DIFFERENT and he felt that it was OUTLANDISH.that is not enough reason to dislike an thread in any forum because its a forum. nowhere did he mention my arrogance , he already mention he dislikes my threads , so im pretty sure he would of mention my condescending tone but he didn't. he didn't have to come rite out and stat that ? scrapper commented on my thread i didnt attack him , stakjak commented on my "gm in progress" thread and i didnt attack him because it was their opinion and i truly respected it . i just finished posting why i come off arrogant in your hendo thread like 5 min ago.

as far as your comment about the players i listed, i will comment on later because i know before i comment i have to set my plans to the side for your rebuttals lol

[jmanvelocity]

K were all fans here not looking to fight. Consider it done.

[JamieMcNeill]

2 Chainz is "different." YOU are better described as arrogant and just down-right mean. There are plenty of people like that, don't see how that's different.

[TheBeagle]

The problem, GMiT, is the way you present yourself. I don't know if it's because of the inefficiencies of online forums or if you truly are this way in person, but you just come off so damn arrogant and hostile. Like I've said elsewhere a few months back, this is my only issue with you. Your opinions are just that, opinions, and I give them to you and let you own them freely, disagree vehemently as I may (and often do, as is the case with your thread here).

But then you start threads, like this one for example, with "I told you so," when you really didn't tell us...Jr has had a good run of games this last couple weeks but he's no All Star. Then you follow that up with how proficient you are at fantasy basketball as if that makes you a superior talent evaluator. Then you almost ask for flak when you tell us that you're probably going to get flak for your list of 10 potential All Stars if given the right situation. Then the names you list are so off-the-wall....I would have so much more respect for you if you were being tongue-in-cheek or poking fun at yourself...but it seems as if you are being deadly serious when you say Terence Williams can be an All Star. We've had enough of a career sample size to see how this isn't going to happen, and when you say it very well could happen you open yourself up to the flak you already saw coming, which I think adds some credence to the speculation of your trollish nature.

I hope you stay a member here and keep posting but I also want to let you know if you want to be a respected member here, you're going about it the wrong way.

[CampNightmare8]

lol 2chainz

[jmanvelocity]

are there reasons you start threads with your name so we can brace ourselves for what were about to witness?

[isguros]

Lets get right to it:

10. Wesley Johnson:
I liked Johnson from the start, he had a promising rookie season. After that it has gone downhill; he spent a lot of time on the bench. the last month however the Suns gave him a chance to play, resulting in 12,6ppg along with 4,0rpg and 1,2spg.

9. Terrence Williams:
Talented player, good all-around game, but he holds the ball too much in my opinion and didn't he had some attitude problems?

8. Jeremy Evans:
Reminds me of Derrick Brown (with more upsides I might add), a good player who knows what his strengths are. The only problem is that he has 1,5 years left on his contract and that it's not very likely that the Jazz will let him go.

7. Hasheem Thabeet:
Good size, good shot blocker, same problem as Evans has.

6. Trevor Booker:
He's doing great in Washington, but I don't know what will happen when he's getting the attention of defenders.

5. Brandan Wright:
Wright WAS one of the most undervalued players in the league, but after what he showed in absence of Nowitzki I think that's all in the past.

4. Wayne Ellington:
You've said it all in your description, but with Ben Gordon and Ramon Sessions already on the team I don't think he's a good fit for the Bobcats.

3. Mareese Speights:
In short: too good for the 'Cats

2b. Matt Barnes:
Good 3-point shooter, Great defender. The future of Jeffrey Taylor? only time will tell. Fantastic player for every team to have around.

2a. Javale Mcgee:
NO!

1. Wilson Chandler
The best player on this list: good scorer, good rebounder. Due to his contract and his talent I don't see him playing for the Bobcats.