The "big" news in the NBA right now is the Miami Heats winning streak. So are ya bitin' yer nails with each game? Are you overwhelmed with their greatness?
Well I'm not. Lord knows I really don't care .. for now. When I do care though is when they beat legitimate teams in the NBA Playoffs. I don't value the Heat even being in the NBA Playoffs. In my opinion they should decline to participate.
I don't value teams in any sport that achieve "greatness" through a program of buying talent developed elsewhere. The Steinbrenner Yankees come to mind. If the Bobcats did that (as if they could), I'd lose all care about them.
That practice diminishes the sport and greatly devalues the purchased talent. No doubt Lebron is a phenomenon who should be worthy of our full attention. But in Miami? Well he might as well be on the Globetrotters. 5, 6, 7 championships? So what? They'll all be forgettable and good riddance when the run is over.
27 game winning streak? Why not 127?
Sorry OKC, sorry Chicago; sorry San Antonio; if only you could have dumped some "contracts" and bought two or three future Hall of Famers you'd be better off. Rubes.
Yeah I want to see it go to 30 and stuff like that. Not really a huge LeBron fan but I want him to go down as the greatest ever (which I think he will).
Right with you, Keetch. I think we're probably in the minority here even on these boards, but I have no use for Miami as currently constructed, and even less use for Lebron. The guy can win all he wants but he's a fraud. Any player who wants to be considered the best player ever would never leave his team to join another superstar's team, along with another All Star in Bosh. The guy is the greatest physical specimen this game's seen since Wilt and is highly highly skilled, but whatever successes he has in Miami is null and void because it is a product of him admitting defeat, something I've never known an all-time great do...hell, it's not in their DNA which is what makes them the greatest.
I'm not saying he had to stay in Cleveland; I actually wanted him to go to New York. Would've been perfect. He would've been the unquestioned star and they could've built around him. But him following Bosh to Miami team join Wade's team....nope. All they things they accomplish, win streaks, championships, MVPs is fluff and bullshit and is analogous to what their baseball brethren Marlins have done in the past.
There's absolutely nothing likeable about the Heat or Lebron. Watching his arrogance while playing the Cats on Sunday was so humorous to me. As if he thinks he's actually accomplishing anything. Poor kid. Add delusional to the list of reasons while he'll never be in the running for greatest player ever.
"The Charlotte Hornets name has been a mainstay throughout the region for many years, and we are excited to announce our intention to re-establish this historic brand. We believe that its return will galvanize our fan base by unifying our loyal Bobcats fans with those who have strong memories of our city's NBA predecessor." MJ, 5-21-13
I don't get the problem. The way I look at it, all the talent there is in the NBA is developed elsewhere. it's either at other teams or in college, cause that's what they do; every year they lure 60 of the best players away from college with lots of money. if there are teams that are willing to spend more money for someone who has proven that he's a great player, well.... there's a strategy for everyone.
I'm not sure how I feel about teams trying to buy the best product.
I'm certain I don't appreciate players at the peak of their game colluding together to make an all-star team. Sure, do that if you're close to retirement, it's obvious you're mediocre, but you want one more chance at a ring.
I like Lebron enough, but he and Miami are certainly nothing to feel excited about.
Bobcats Sunshine Club
SOMEONE will pay for THIS!
Anyway, Lebron will go down as one of the all time greats, and if he keeps winning, probably in the discussion for top 3 of all time. However, he will never get that number one spot. There's too many factors, besides just the raw numbers themselves, that go into it.
First, as to the numbers - for Lebron to even be considered in the argument, at the bare minimum he's going to have to surpass Jordan's:
6 Championships (LBJ = 1)
6 Time Finals MVP (LBJ = 1)
5 Time NBA MVP (LBJ = 3)
10 Time All-NBA First Team (LBJ = 6)
9 Time All-Defense First Team (LBJ = 4)
1 Defensive Player of the Year (LBJ = 0)
11 Time Scoring Champion (LBJ = 1)
3 Time Steals Champion (LBJ = 0)
Averaged over 30 points for entire career (LBJ only averaged 30 per season twice)
Thats just the raw numbers. Lebron might come close, or even surpass Jordan in a couple categories, but is getting blown out in others. But again, that is the only thing Lebron will approach Jordan in as far as greatest. When you look into context, it gets worse for Lebron's argument.
You also have to take into account Jordan did not play for 5 years in his prime. So, you could honestly add 5 to the personal awards categories, and probably 2 more championships and MVPs.
Also, Jordan did not join up with two other superstars to win a championship. He didn't call Bird and Magic to play together, or get Barkley and Olajuwon as his side kicks. He played with whoever the GM put on the roster, and won with them. So even if Lebron gets 7 rings, I would consider Jordan's 6 to be greater because he never tried to manipulate the system, or give up on his team.
And in addition to the 6 Championships, Jordan NEVER lost in the Finals. Lebron already has lost twice. The absolute, maniacal, totalitarian, mass murderer mentality Jordan has in regards to competition is matched by probably no other athlete in history, across all sports. Lebron was more into having fun, and being buddies, and often shrank from big moments. Even one innocuous example was in the all star game a couple years ago, where Lebron could've hit the game winning shot, but decided to pass it up. Kobe was staring at him like "wtf are you doing, p***y". Jordan is taking that shot 10 times out of 10, and probably hitting it 8.
Lebron is getting better at being an assassin, but Jordan never had to learn this. He was born one.
Going further into the actual impact on the game, the Bulls seemed absolutely unbeatable, an unopposable force that you had no chance against. Games with the Heat, you always feel like you have a chance to beat them. Even in this 27 game winning streak, the opponents often felt like they should've won, and the Heat had to come back multiple times to win. The difference is Lebron will go into a game wanting to play passive at first, to play around and have fun until the second half, and then take over. Jordan asserted his will from the start, and would make it a point to crush you right away so that you would quit. If you never experienced Jordan dismantling and destroying your team from the start of a game, you may not know how it feels to not have a chance in hell at ever beating him.
Last point, and this is outside of basketball, but I think is still relevant. The cultural impact of Jordan is bigger than anyone else in sports of all time. Air Jordans are still the best selling shoe to this day, and not just the new ones, but the re-releases as well. I don't think Lebron's shoes were ever top in anything. Also, everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, wanted to be like Mike. The dunking, tongue wagging, long shorts, coolness, clutchness, he basically invented the word swagger. If you went to Uzbekistan, Swaziland, Iceland, Nepal, Mars, wherever, they knew who Jordan was, and would probably stick out their tongue and pretend to dunk. If you say Lebron, they probably would have no idea what you're talking about.
Anyway, long post short, Lebron is one of the most incredible, gifted athletes we'll ever see. But his accomplishments on the court is behind Jordan's by a hefty margin, and even if Lebron one day comes close in terms of numbers, his impact on the court will never equal Jordan's because of his mindset and the path he's already traveled to this point, and Jordan's impact off the court is something that will never be surpassed by anybody.
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18, i'm young as fuck the only Jordan I saw LIVE was when he played on the Wiz. My dad has taped a ton of MJ games that I grew up watching thought, that still doesn't matter if i've watched him thought. That's just like all of us know Bill Russell isn't better than KG but no one here (probably) didn't watch Russell play.
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