Hear me out...
The ultimate goal of ownership should be to put together a team capable of playing for the NBA championship correct? And we all know you win in this league with superstar players. other than the Chauncey billups, Raheed Wallace Pistons, every NBA champ over the last 20 years has had at least one and more often than not two superstars.
With that in mind, why would we declare any player or piece untradeable or part of our future if we have yet to secure our first top 15 type player? While I like Kemba, MKG, and Biyambo as young guys, I would not be averse to trading one of them along with a pick to get that star player we need. I also would not hesitate to do something like trade Kemba for the 6th pick IF I felt someone like Marcus Smart had the ability to become a top 5 point guard which Kemba does not. I could then turn around and use that 6th pick on someone like Vitor Olidipo.
None of the guys on this current roster with maybe the exception of MKG have (in my opinion) the ability to become a top 10 player at their position. With that in mind, doesn't it make sense to say no spot is safe? And that if we feel any player in a trade or draft could be a top player at their position, we won't hesitate to make that move?
I feel like because we drafted some of these guys, we feel an overwhelming sense of loyalty to guys who ultimately don't have the ability to bring a winner to Charlotte. For the next several years we need to take sentiment out of the equation and do what it takes to bring a winner here regardless of personal feelings or any sense of attachment we have to guys we took in the draft.
There are some very talented point guards in this draft along with who I think is going to be a really good shooting guard in this league in Olidipo. If we pass them up because we feel some sense of loyalty to Kemba and Henderson, then we are making a mistake. let's not try to fill a need this draft and offseason. Let's just go about getting the best possible players regardless of position and add some top line talent to this team.
The principal issue I have with your post is that you are advocating trading partially known NBA commodities for entirely unknown NBA commodities.
Now if you are talking about trading for a Harden/Love type player, who has shown it at the NBA level, then I see your point. But I would not trade highly promising, good character 1st & 2nd year NBA players that we have drafted for a player we simply haven't seen do it at this level. Not worth the risk.
I understand, but sometimes when doing due diligence and workouts, you get the feeling that a guy is going to be a great player. What I'm saying is if during workouts of someone like Marcus Smart, you feel like this guy could be an "elite" player, then you have to take the chance regardless of who you may already have on the roster, because until you get that guy on this team, all of these marginal to decent players are just going to make sure you keep losing.
I agree with Swedd. No one is off limits, but if I'm the Bobcats there are several "tiers" I place my players in, and I'm sure Cho has something like that. His motto is "draft talent and trade for need." Looking at our roster right now, anyone we consider "talented" should be in a higher tier. And our need obviously are competent big men and draft picks.
The other thing is....you have to be careful about trading for unproven commodities. If we are trading any of our current young talent, I want to KNOW what I'm getting in return. At this point in the rebuild, trading someone we've developed for two years of suffering for an unproven commodity better be damn worth it. Meaning that if we're trading for draft picks, they should be Top 15 picks at worse.
Just my opinion. I'm down for one more year of suffering as a STH but after that I need to see progress.
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One other thing....I wouldn't discount Kemba and Gerald, especially Gerald. These two are doing what they're doing lately on a roster with no post presence and teams knowing they are our first two options. The flipside of that is SOMEONE has to score, but these guys are getting it done. And I'm not sure if we've seen their ceiling or not, especially if they get a half decent post threat and another year of development from MKG.
I agree with you guys. I think I'm looking at a scenario where we go through workouts and watching film and we (as an organization) really like what Smart or olidipo bring to the table and think that they have all star potential. I would hope that we don't pass on them because we have Kemba and maybe Henderson already on the roster, but that's sort of what i hear from some fans. They talk as if we are all set at the 1, 2 and 3 positions and just need to get a good big man. Sure, we are fine if we want to fight for the 7th or 8th seed in a few years, but if we really want to compete, I think one of those 3 positions is going to have to be an elite level talent.
As far a a trade, I think we missed our chance with Harden. A player like that who is still very young but already an allstar caliber player with superstar potential being available just doesn't happen. Kudos to Morley for doing what it took to get him to Houston. Now they have that first piece to build around and it tends to get easier from there. it's why i would have been fine trading Biyambo, Henderson and the future Detroit pick for Cousins despite his current immaturity. He has the ability to be the best big man in the league and that just does not come along often.
Right now on this roster we have:
Kemba: ceiling of maybe 12th best point guard in his prime I think. There are some good point guards out there who are taller, more athletic, and shoot better, so 12 is about the best he can do.
Henderson: Really a backup on a good team. Decent mid range jumpshot, but lack of real 3 point range, can't really take his man in isolation, and despite his athleticism is not really a good defender.
MKG: Highest ceiling on the team but will take a couple years to get there. If he can get that jumpshot right, he could be a better Shawn Marion. The closest thing to off limits we have, but iI would still move him for an elite player and would have moved him in a package for Harden.
Biyambo: He will NOT be Serge Ibaka. He just does not have the feel for the game and fluidity that Ibaka has. He can be a decent bench piece, or starter if the rest of the lineup is very good, but that's about it. don't get me wrong, I like the kid, but I don't have hopes of things totally clicking for him, and his becoming a vital piece in the rotation of a great team.
Other than those guys, the rest of this team is garbage. Old guys looking to collect more checks, and young guys who will be out of the league in 2-3 years.
No one should be safe. Cho should be dangling everyone to try and make this roster better.
Of course there should be no one "Off limits" but I think we have guys that should be "very hard to pry away". I would put Kemba and MKG as hard to pry away and have Biz on a peg right below them. I think anyone else should and could be dealt.
I think Kemba has top 10 potential. Outside of Kyrie Irving, most of the top point guards are surrounded by talent at most positions to support them. Kemba is doing what he's doing with no one really consistently helping besides Gerald.
Hendo has improved. He's hitting 3's this year, so he has the range. The fact that he's progressed in that area tells me he hasn't hit his ceiling just yet. On this tear he's been on lately, he's been scoring in isolation situations, so I'd say the jury is still out on him for one more year.
I like the Marion comparison for MKG. Definitely a building block because of the flashes he's shown and the fact he's the youngest player in the league.
The Ibaka comparison for Biz are for the casual fan that learns him and Ibaka are from Africa, lol. Biz should be asked to do three things: Set screens, rebound, and block shots. Anything offensively from him is a bonus. He's a victim of a roster without a competent offensive big. If you look at him for what he should be, he is progressing fine.
Don't forget about Jeff Taylor. He will be a good piece off the bench the next couple of years.
As for everyone else, Byron Mullens should get the qualifying offer and told next season you gotta make it happen or good luck. They said tough love works best for Byron, it's time for some of that.
Ben Gordon will probably be moved to a contender at the deadline as long as he shows the Dunlap fiasco isn't the norm. Hopefully we can get a pick from someone for him.
Sessions could be moved, especially if they resign Pargo to maybe a one or two year deal or draft a point guard. I like him, but he signed a two year deal for a reason.
Maybe he'll want to resign as our sixth man if he sees progress next season, who knows.
McBob will probably be resigned to a cheap deal. Dunlap wants him around and he shouldn't be that expensive.
Jeff Adrian, Reggie Williams, Gana Diop won't be around next year. Brendan Haywood honestly SHOULD retire. But he may come back as a veteran mentor/presence.
And Tyrus.....well I think he'll be around one more year unless we get a deal we just can't refuse and need the extra cap space to pull it off. I think the Amnesty comes in 2014.
Just Kemba, the closest on the team to not being traded besides Kemba is MKG.