Drummond has a rare combination of athleticism and skill / coordination. I am taking him all day over a player like Biz.
Biz's ceiling is a slightly undersized good rebounder and defender with average offense skills. That is not a hard thing to find.
Basically a role player that comes off the bench.
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Biz could practice dribbling everyday for 8 hours and we will never be able to dribble the ball like a PG nor if he practiced shooting everyday for 8 hours would be ever be a good 3pt shooter.
Example from personal experience, my sister practiced tennis a TON in high school (on the team all 4 years and with me and my father weekly) but she never really progressed much from her 2nd year to her 4th year. Why? Because she just didnt have the level of coordination nor the IQ needed to reach the next level.
Last edited by DashGlobal; 04-12-2013 at 07:40 AM.
For the record I do see where you're coming from ... people have genetic potential and that potential defines the extent to which they can perform physical tasks.
However you must also see Plowright's point, that because of Biz's character & work ethic he is far more likely to reach his genetic potential than someone who doesn't train as hard, have the same level of determination etc despite having more physical gifts.
Gifted and lazy gets beat by good and hard working more often than not. However gifted and hard working leads to elite level performance.
When only taking a "pitch" of a quote it is easy to take things out of context. Kitch even chopping that quote out, you missed the word AND. I only said hard work doesnt matter (not literally as I clarified later on in the post), not practice AND hard work.
Practice and work ethic are important, that is the back bone to getting better. BUT as I pointed out to Plowright, there are other elements at play that must be taken into consideration.
As I pointed out, Drummond can do things that Biz will never be able to do due to his extreme coordination for someone his size.
Biz is just not coordinated, so it limits his ceiling. At best you can hope for an average offense with good-great defense and rebounding on a slightly undersized PF frame.
Add that to the insanely high ceiling and physical talents of Drummond, I am taking him all day over a player like Biz.
Players have limits / caps on what they can do.
Last edited by DashGlobal; 04-12-2013 at 08:22 AM.
The point of my post was:
1) to have a laugh (you know fun) at taking only a section of your quote as it looked funny that way ... which I acknowledged at the time.
2) To agree with the point that you were making about physical ceilings based on co-ordination etc, I termed it genetic potential ... to repeat I agreed with you.
3) To try and point out Plowright wasn't saying you were wrong to base physical ceilings on co-ordination etc but that work ethic plays its part on both realising that physical potential and on the total package as a player, which you have acknowledged and agreed with... you both had valid points, which aren't mutually exclusive but didn't seem to see that.
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